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[Lautta]

Bryy_Miller wrote...
As for Harbinger... I don't really understand how he can be awake without it invalidating the entire point of the first game. If he activated the Reapers at the end, then why did he need Sovereign at all?

The way I see it, Harbinger was a Reaper. He said "releasing control" just before he "died".

[Bigeyez]

Bryy_Miller wrote...

My thoughts on the ending: BioWare has a LOT of questions to answer. Why the comically giant human Reaper? Obviously it is a new tactic, but why does it have to be so large? Do the Reapers take the form of beings they integrate? That would make sense, and mean that their current form is not their true form, but Prothean. We already know the Protheans were Squid-like. As for Harbinger... I don't really understand how he can be awake without it invalidating the entire point of the first game. If he activated the Reapers at the end, then why did he need Sovereign at all?

I think you missed some of the story at the end because they explain a lot of this. Yes Reapers take the form of the species they use to build them. Why? That isn't explained. Your squadmates guess that the Protheans weren't able to be turned into a Reaper so instead the Reapers enslaved them and repurposed them to be labor. Just like they did with the Keepers.

You do bring up a good point with Harbinger though. Although since it looks like the Reapers didn't need the Citadel to make it back to the galaxy they still probably need it to shut off all the Mass Relays, therefore yes it looks like they can still come back and wreck havoc, but the galaxy will still have Mass Relays which means we can still unite and fight back.

Remember the Protheans had technology to fight against the Reapers but what really killed them was not being able to use the Mass Relays, which effectively isolated every system making it easy for the Reapers to just hop from system to system decimating the seperated forces.
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Anyways onto the actual topic.

First playthrough was a Soldier, level 26. All squad upgrades, all loyalty missions completed, all Normandy upgrades. Miranda in charge of both teams. Legion used as my Tech. I sent Mordin back with my crew. Samara used as my Biotic. Everyone lived.

Modifié par Bigeyez, 28 janvier 2010 - 10:51 .

[Intelwolves]

Bryy, i have 2 guess.

1st maybe everyone thinks this or not, but they had extras and made the bug bastards or they tried to make a Reaper and failed. Never the less they make easy sniper targets. As for the Reaper, well he was a pain some where to take out.



Part 1.

Specialist Tali



Fire Team 1

Gunt

Jacob



Fire team 2 Leader garrus



Crew escort Mordin

Part 2



Attack Team

Jacob

Miranda



All my guys lived

[Isaantia]

Bryy_Miller wrote...

So was Harbinger a Reaper or the Collector General, that's a discussion I'm having with my friends now.

Harbinger is a reaper. If you watch the very end where he says "releasing.. " to the collector at the command post, you see the hologram of the reaper talking to it.

[lackofoxygen]

Has anyone gotten Shepard to die in the game? I don't see how you can get far enough in the story without doing enough loyalty missions to have some one save Shepard at the end. I had Tali, Garrus, Miranda and Thane loyal. I only upgraded the scanner and the fuel. Thane, SubZero, and Legion died before we landed. Thane took a metal support to the chest, SubZero was in an explosion and Legion seemed to be atomized by the engines core.

I always end up with five people, Shepard, Miranda (his romance) and three more, usually tali and garrus

Modifié par lackofoxygen, 28 janvier 2010 - 11:09 .

[Ranou]

I did my run at the base with smara doing the biotic barrier and legion on tech duty with garrus leadinf the first time and miranda leading the second time, i only lost the crew, seems you lose a member of your team if you save the crew, so i dont know how to save EVERYONE

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lackofoxygen wrote...

Has anyone gotten Shepard to die in
the game? I don't see how you can get far enough in the story without
doing enough loyalty missions to have some one save Shepard at the end.
I had Tali, Garrus, Miranda and Thane loyal. I only upgraded the
scanner and the fuel. Thane, SubZero, and Legion died before we landed.
Thane took a metal support to the chest, SubZero was in an explosion
and Legion seemed to be atomized by the engines core.

I always end up with five people, Shepard, Miranda (his romance) and three more, usually tali and garrus

I assume you just rush in very unprepared, IE: no upgrades probably not all party members, poor choices, you get shot of the sky without the reaper IFF, so many variables people have yet to test im sure

Modifié par Ranou, 28 janvier 2010 - 11:14 .

[Nigawatts]

Like everyone said Harbinger is a Reaper. My Guess is that the Reapers are so far outside the Galaxy that it would take them a REALLY long time to get back in without activating the Citadel's Mass Relay. So the backup plan that Harbinger was trying to bring to fruition was build a new Reaper that was already inside the Galaxy to finish what Sovereign failed to do.



Its either...since Humans are the only ones dumb enough to colonize the Terminus Systems in Mass quantities they are easier targets than the other races, or Harbinger was intrigued by the fact that a human was able to destroy a Reaper. Most likely a little bit of both but more of the latter since Harbinger says Shepard so many times.



Oh and people wondering what the "Avatars" are all about, that's basically Harbinger doing what Sovereign did to Saren at the end of ME1. See Saren was basically being transformed in the same way that the Collectors were.



Also I'm assuming that since all Reapers look the same, that means that the actual essence of the Reaper is inside an armor like structure. So the way you kill a reaper from the inside is destroy it's core form.



Which sort of makes me feel like the Reapers are just giant Evangelion Units...

[Bryy_Miller]

I can't wait for ME3. A lot to threads to tie up.

[CynixV]

I finished it last night but im still a little confused My renegade score was relatively high but not maxed and it didnt seem at all like i got a Altered ending like ME1 with the planet in red behind me and the council being dead. PS: i chose to save the base and gave it to Illusive.

Tali -Tech

Garrus Team leader

Crew Escort Jacob

Biotic -Samara

Final Team Grunt Miranda

Jack died.

[Crackseed]

Also - some people referenced the size of the human-reaper was too small. I imagine since it was still larval, it's entirely possible it would mature to the size of the other reapers. Which would have been REALLY creepy to see/fight.

[Bryy_Miller]

Bigeyez wrote...

Bryy_Miller wrote...

My thoughts on the ending: BioWare has a LOT of questions to answer. Why the comically giant human Reaper? Obviously it is a new tactic, but why does it have to be so large? Do the Reapers take the form of beings they integrate? That would make sense, and mean that their current form is not their true form, but Prothean. We already know the Protheans were Squid-like. As for Harbinger... I don't really understand how he can be awake without it invalidating the entire point of the first game. If he activated the Reapers at the end, then why did he need Sovereign at all?

I think you missed some of the story at the end because they explain a lot of this. Yes Reapers take the form of the species they use to build them. Why? That isn't explained. Your squadmates guess that the Protheans weren't able to be turned into a Reaper so instead the Reapers enslaved them and repurposed them to be labor. Just like they did with the Keepers.

Wow, so I'm a dork.

[xThunderblazex]

Clearly they were trying to build Terminator Prime. I'd like to see how it would've flown through space.

[Bryy_Miller]

I don' think anyone is going to have the same game if they import for ME3, just like DA:A, and to an extent, DA:O.

[Nigawatts]

Also someone said that the Protheans didn't have a Reaper.

IMO the only logical answer to that loop hole is that Sovereign was the Prothean's reaper.

Edit: and I think the first Reaper belonged to whatever race the Keepers came from.

Modifié par Nigawatts, 28 janvier 2010 - 11:38 .

[Bryy_Miller]

But the Reapers look like Protheans. Hmmmm.

[Crackseed]

Bryy_Miller wrote...

But the Reapers look like Protheans. Hmmmm.

No they don't >.>

[Bryy_Miller]

Protheans are squid-like. Reapers are squid-like. I'm just saying it's a weird decision.

[lackofoxygen]

Ranou wrote...

I did my run at the base with smara doing the biotic barrier and legion on tech duty with garrus leadinf the first time and miranda leading the second time, i only lost the crew, seems you lose a member of your team if you save the crew, so i dont know how to save EVERYONE

e:

lackofoxygen wrote...

Has anyone gotten Shepard to die in
the game? I don't see how you can get far enough in the story without
doing enough loyalty missions to have some one save Shepard at the end.
I had Tali, Garrus, Miranda and Thane loyal. I only upgraded the
scanner and the fuel. Thane, SubZero, and Legion died before we landed.
Thane took a metal support to the chest, SubZero was in an explosion
and Legion seemed to be atomized by the engines core.

I always end up with five people, Shepard, Miranda (his romance) and three more, usually tali and garrus

I assume you just rush in very unprepared, IE: no upgrades probably not all party members, poor choices, you get shot of the sky without the reaper IFF, so many variables people have yet to test im sure

A loyal crew member should survive escorting your crew back--  I sent a loyal Tali back and it was fine.  I sent a normal Grunt back and he dies.  

I think part of my problem was sending Tali through the vents, apparently lesser tech experts will not survive.  I also chose loyal team leaders (both times Garrus or Miranda), so perhaps I need to give someone else those jobs.  Also, I don't think you can go in without the IFF, you need coordinates before using the relay.

[IceSavage]

I finished it with



Legion - Tech

Miranda - Team Leader



Grunt, Garrus with Me



Samara as Biotic



Miranda as Team Leader

Mordin sent back with crew.



Thane, Garrus with me.



Final Team - Miranda and Grunt.



Level 29 when I started, got level 30 after killing the tanks.

Full Loyalty with all of them, 100% all planets visited, all missions done that I could find.



Got all crew upgrades, got most of the research upgrades as well. Though I did miss some some weapon upgrades. Sniper Rifle and Shotgun were only at 4/5



Every one survived for me.

[Bigeyez]

Just wondering did anyone really look at all the Reapers at the final scene? Yeah some of them do look like Soveriegn but I swear I saw some that had different shapes. Is it just me or did anyone else see that?



It'd be nice to look at a screenshot of that scene so we can really check them all out.

[Tamyn]

Bryy_Miller wrote...

Protheans are squid-like. Reapers are squid-like. I'm just saying it's a weird decision.

Protheans are humanoid with a squid-like head. Reapers look fully like squid.

[Zegir]

Some people are thinking that because the Collector leader said "Releasing Control" at the end of the game means that it was a Reaper. No, it doesn't. That phrase comes no where close to suggesting that. All that means is that the Collector leader was being possessed by a Reaper which is evidenced by the hologram of a Reaper during this scene. Also the fact that the Collectors are worse than Husks. They are only tools for the Reapers and they don't think or heal themselves (Was all mentioned in the game).

Modifié par Zegir, 29 janvier 2010 - 12:02 .

[Bryy_Miller]

Bigeyez wrote...

Just wondering did anyone really look at all the Reapers at the final scene? Yeah some of them do look like Soveriegn but I swear I saw some that had different shapes. Is it just me or did anyone else see that?

It'd be nice to look at a screenshot of that scene so we can really check them all out.

I agree someone needs to do this. I'm half tempted to.

[Nigawatts]

Like I said, it's more likely the Reapers themselves are encased inside a streamlined body that all reapers share. I don't remember the final scene except the fact they all looked alike and Harbinger looked like Sovereign in the hologram.



If the story tellers wanted to send out the idea that the Reapers are modeled after the species they come from ,they would have made Harbinger look different. That or they didn't want people to speculate on whether or not Harbinger was actually a reaper or not.



IMO the Reapers are inside a shell that we see, if you go inside the ship you'll likely see a version of the robotic creature we fight in the Collector Base.



One thing that really makes me wonder...Legion tells Shepard that Sovereign was not made up of a single mind but many together. He also learns that some pieces of Sovereign were never recovered. Could this mean that Sovereign is still alive?