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[dragonagenewbie]

You still don't seem to understand the difference between a character and the ending to a 3-game plotline.

I'm out.

 

ME3 just had one ending didnt it?

 

Since i never played it earlier i googled up the whole situation.  The gaming site i ended up one used a colonoscopy exam to explain it. Kinda icky but i understood the point.  Someone did a study on the effects of long and short duration colonoscopy exam had on peoples lasting impression of it or something.  It said that it didnt matter if the colon exam was 4 minutes or 40, what people remembered the most and what they took away with them about the experience was the last few minutes.  If the last few minutes of the exam was painful then you'll go away thinking that the exam sucked.  If the last few minutes of the exam was not painful them you go away thinking that the exam wasnt as sucky.  Gain didnt matter if the exam was long or short but what mattered to people the most was the ending.  So in ME it didnt matter if they had 3 successful games, or i suppose 5 or 10.  If the last 10 minutes finishing up that entire series is bad thats what people will remember.  The article also made some mention about the ending to Seinfield and i think that had the same effect as the bad ME3 ending.

 

Having said all that...i'm not seeing how *that* controversy compares to this companion one.  Where people have a dozen companions, the option to pick and choose which companions to recruit and to bring with them to quest and stuff.

[dragonagenewbie]

that needed a few more rewrites

 

 

I'm actually curious as to some thing that you would do to improve upon her character.

[Xilizhra]

I'm actually curious as to some thing that you would do to improve upon her character.

I would add significantly more dialogue between her and an elf Inquisitor, I would cut that rock-stupid Temple of Mythal fight, and I'd fiddle with the pranks some, at least.

[GoldenGail3]

I would add significantly more dialogue between her and an elf Inquisitor, I would cut that rock-stupid Temple of Mythal fight, and I'd fiddle with the pranks some, at least.

Didn't we fiddle with pranks though? And yeahhh, I can understand the rest though. 

[dragonagenewbie]

I would add significantly more dialogue between her and an elf Inquisitor, I would cut that rock-stupid Temple of Mythal fight, and I'd fiddle with the pranks some, at least.

 

Why just an elf inquisitor? do you mean because Sera's an elf? you probably know this, but she's known for not liking "elfy" things.  If the writers or devs did do that then they'd have more to argue about not talk hehe. Not sure what you mean about the temple of mythal fight though.  I havent done all the DLC's or maybe i dont have her affinity high enough yet to know what you mean by that.  I've done something in that temple but i wasnt sure if it was main story or what. 

 

The pranks though, my only issue is the pies in the face.  That seemed way to random...the other ones vs your advisors i'm actually ok with.  Because as i've stated to other people earlier in the thread she did it to raise morale.  Doesnt even matter to me if she did it for herself or that she flat out tells you that, I only care about the end result.  When someone does charity i dont worry too much about their reasons i care mostly about who they help.  Bill Gates or Mark Zuckerberg want to give away millions or billions to charity?  doesnt matter to me what they get out of it...clear conscience, free ticket to heaven, whatever.  I only care about end results.  Before i started talking about pranks with other posters i actually didn't know that the advisors were into that kind of stuff.  I did some digging though and Leliana is definately into pranking, Josie appears to be ok with it since in game she was the recipient of one of Leliana's pranks.  Cullen its hard to say because in his office he says that he would do something back to Sera.  So he doesnt sound like a pranker but maybe he likes to play along to get along?  hell even Vivienne and Sera go at it with each other with the pranks (random banter Sera: hey Vivvie check your drawers recently).  Those pranks i can approve of but the random pies in Trespasser seemed to random according to the video i watched.  I'd have to do that one for myself i guess.

[KaiserShep]

Sera has shown that she's willing to murder nobles she just met and knows nothing about based on hearsay and rumor, and based on whether or not she likes them on sight. 

 

 

Wait, the only noble we [possibly] see her kill, other than the obligatory evil mage in Val Royeaux, is Pel Harmond, who did have someone killed right in front of them, and confirms that he killed more people by smugly admitting to the whole thing, so whether or not one agrees with her actions if the Inquisitor takes too long in dialogue, it's not based on hearsay and rumor, or even just a matter of simple dislike. I mean, his men did try to kill them afterwards. She hasn't shown any particular willingness to murder people for no good reason. We can assume that she has killed nobles in the past, but obviously we don't know who nor do we know why. 

[dragonagenewbie]

Wait, the only noble we [possibly] see her kill, other than the obligatory evil mage in Val Royeaux, is Pel Harmond, who did have someone killed right in front of them, and confirms that he killed more people by smugly admitting to the whole thing, so whether or not one agrees with her actions if the Inquisitor takes too long in dialogue, it's not based on hearsay and rumor, or even just a matter of simple dislike. Anything beyond this is purely speculative. 

 

In one of my other posts i actually pointed out how other companions in the Inquisition have done what i thought was the equivalent of Sera killing the evil mage in Val Roy and Pel Harmond (if you take that option to kill him).  You, Solas, Varric and Cole go out to kill (or not) the Templar that did something to Cole.  You and Solas  Vivienne stops the nob from trying to duel you, and pretty much renders the nob harmless by encasing them in ice but she gives you the option to kill him (or not).  Blackwall did some stuff too in his previous life.  That leaves Cassandra and Iron Bull who i havent tried to research yet to see what skeletons they have in their closet.

 

For the Inky, Solas, Varric and Cole thing i dont think you actually kill the guy.  The option is to spare the guy or kill the guy but even when you take the option to kill him you just point the crossbow at him and it goes *click*.  But even though thats how it turned out it still shows that you, Solas and Cole are willing to do murder.  Because those three would not have known that the crossbow wouldn't fire only Varric knew. 

 

So I wonder what all the "but Sera murders nobs for fun" people have to say about all that.

 

EDIT: furthermore Ghostly Gal keeps saying "who appointed Sera judge jury and executioner".  When you are talking to Pel you nod approval at Sera basically giving her permission to kill him.  You are the one that decides if Pel Harmond can join the inquisition and you are the one that decided that Sera should kill him.

[Bayonet Hipshot]

I didn't say I had a problem with Sera not interacting with her Red Jenny spies, I have a problem with her never being shown to interact with the poor that she claims to care so much about.

 

She's constantly lecturing the Inquisitor against considering themselves so big and important that they don't notice or care about the "little folk" working for them, yet she's never shown actually interacting with, getting to know, or helping out Inquisiton staff either.  If anything, she has her own private room in the tavern that she never seems to leave (while Bull hangs out with common tavern patrons downstairs), and we're only told about her causing problems for Inquisition staff too, like how she steals tons of jam from the kitchens and drives the cooks crazy. I guess the cook and cook's assistants don't count as "little people" one shouldn't cause problems for.

 

It's a huge part of Bull's character that he's friendly, sociable, and cares about the men under him, so we have scenes that show him caring about and getting to know his men. We're constantly told Sera cares about the poor folk, yet apart from one scene where she talks to elven servants in the Winter Palace we have NO scenes of her actually interacting with them or making their days better with her antics. 

 

Even the prank scene falls flat because she CLAIMS it's to boost morale, but we never actually see the Inquisition's common getting a laugh through her antics. It just comes across as Sera wanting to play pranks because she feels like playing pranks on "big, important people," then using common folk as an excuse to do it.

 

I'll also address people who jumped on me for condemning Sera for appointing herself as Judge, Jury, and Executioner to all "important folk" she feels doesn't treat the common folk right: I stand by it. Sera has shown that she's willing to murder nobles she just met and knows nothing about based on hearsay and rumor, and based on whether or not she likes them on sight. I used her double standard regarding mages as an example of her having a very warped and biased perspective. Lots of people jumped on me for being biased. You're right, I am biased. But unlike Sera, I don't take it upon myself to go around playing Judge, Jury, and Executioner to a bunch of people I don't know based on whether or not they fit my personal biased view of what proper conduct to other people is. I still don't respect or like Sera for personally appointing herself the ultimate judge of the fates of nobles; and I don't even like nobles!

 

Sera reminds me of people, particularly those of a political and social bent, who view others through a very narrow one dimensional view of nobles bad, rich bad, poor good, common good and then decides that their one dimensional viewpoint of social classes as well as races is the correct one and proceeds to talk down others or even be downright intolerant to those who disagree.

 

The best way to describe Sera is that she is a Type 3 Chaotic Neutral.

 

 

A Type 3 is someone who rebels for the sake of rebelling, someone who is counter-culture just for the sake of it. As such, their beliefs tend to be shallow and they may find themselves in over their head, or be duped into The Man Is Sticking It to the Man. This sort tends to believe Cool People Rebel Against Authority, which conversely often makes them vulnerable to the influence of powerful personalities or particular fads that they believe no-one else is following. In effect, they have an issue or grudge against a particular authority practice or figure, or were simply aimless and adrift in their own lives, and use Chaotic Neutral as a cover to vent their frustrations or give themselves some direction. At best, this can be harmless or even lead to some beneficial Character Development, but at worst the character can fall under the sway of dangerous and evil people and perhaps become one themselves.

Source:- http://tvtropes.org/.../ChaoticNeutral

 

So yes, while Sera is a well written Type 3 Chaotic Neutral, she is not a very likeable person because a Type 3 Chaotic Neutral is genuinely not a likeable person.

[dragonagenewbie]

Sera reminds me of people, particularly those of a political and social bent, who view others through a very narrow one dimensional view of nobles bad, rich bad, poor good, common good and then decides that their one dimensional viewpoint of social classes as well as races is the correct one and proceeds to talk down others or even be downright intolerant to those who disagree.

 

The best way to describe Sera is that she is a Type 3 Chaotic Neutral.

 

Source:- http://tvtropes.org/.../ChaoticNeutral

 

So yes, while Sera is a well written Type 3 Chaotic Neutral, she is not a very likeable person because a Type 3 Chaotic Neutral is genuinely not a likeable person.

 

I dont know if i can agree with that...

 

If you are judging just Sera yah you can say all this stuff like she's immature, she's a bully, she's a Class F Dwarf Star or whatever.  But when talking about her capabilities in regards to how she can alter politics then wouldnt you have to include the Red Jenny group as well? or do they not cooperate across cities/regions or something?

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Josie appears to be ok with it since in game she was the recipient of one of Leliana's pranks.

You mean when she gets upset at Leliana for said prank? How is being upset with something being okay with it? Those are literally opposites.

 

EDIT: furthermore Ghostly Gal keeps saying "who appointed Sera judge jury and executioner".  When you are talking to Pel you nod approval at Sera basically giving her permission to kill him.  You are the one that decides if Pel Harmond can join the inquisition and you are the one that decided that Sera should kill him.

If you ask him too many questions, Sera loses patience and murders him right in front of you without your permission. She should be arrested.

[dragonagenewbie]

You mean when she gets upset at Leliana for said prank? How is being upset with something being okay with it? Those are literally opposites.

 

If you ask him too many questions, Sera loses patience and murders him right in front of you without your permission. She gets kicked out of the Inquisition and should be arrested for that alone. 

 

The Lel and Jos prank was only a few lines of dialogue at war table banter.  All i can go off of is Josies tone of voice as she described the events.  She didnt sound angry but more in disbelief that somebody could do such a thing.  And since Josie and Leliana are still friends i guess she's ok with it.

 

Does that mean that if Vivienne kills the nob that wanted to duel you that it should also lock out the option to let her join the inquisition?  With Pel Harmond and you nodding at Sera it could be argue'd that Pel confessed on the spot, you found him guilty on the spot and ordered him executed on the spot.  Same process as judging on your throne without the formality.  But if you are saying that the option where Sera loses patience should lead to her getting arrested, does that mean Viv shouldnt get into the Inquisition?  basically what i'm wanting to know is did you think about how many other comps that kind of change would affect if implemented?

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Does that mean that if Vivienne kills the nob that wanted to duel you that it should also lock out the option to let her join the inquisition?  With Pel Harmond and you nodding at Sera it could be argue'd that Pel confessed on the spot, you found him guilty on the spot and ordered him executed on the spot.  Same process as judging on your throne without the formality.  But if you are saying that the option where Sera loses patience should lead to her getting arrested, does that mean Viv shouldnt get into the Inquisition?  basically what i'm wanting to know is did you think about how many other comps that kind of change would affect if implemented?

I don't usually recruit Vivienne for a variety of reasons, but I would welcome the opportunity to have Vivienne arrested if she does that. The difference here is that she only does it if the Inquisitor says, so those who play Inquisitors whom don't condone murder don't have it happen. Meanwhile with Sera she can do it regardless and against your will. I'm not saying she should be a mindless drone who only does what we say, but we should have the option to be able to treat her like the murderer she is if she does that. 

 

 

The Lel and Jos prank was only a few lines of dialogue at war table banter.  All i can go off of is Josies tone of voice as she described the events.  She didnt sound angry but more in disbelief that somebody could do such a thing.  And since Josie and Leliana are still friends i guess she's ok with it.

So as I said, she is not okay with it like you said. There are different ways to show you are not okay with something. 

You need to stop making baseless assumptions in your attempt to defend Sera, both of characters and of real people. 

[dragonagenewbie]

You need to stop making baseless assumptions in your attempt to defend Sera, both of characters and of real people. 

 

I'll stop doing that as soon as you and other people stop posting **** like this:

 

"Please no. I want her nowhere near Dragon Age 4. I want her nowhere near even Dragon Age: Inquisition."

 

https://forum.biowar.../#entry20379123

 

I'm fine with people saying they don't like this or that.  But you're saying that you don't like this or that so please i dont want to see it in the next game.  If I met a person like Sera IRL i'd think that she is a piece of **** too.  But i ignore those qualities in this character and focus on the stuff that i do like. This isnt just about this specific character, this is about you asking them to take out or exclude content that i like.  Instead of you simply not using that content you feel the need to ask for its removal and exclusion in future games too?

[PhroXenGold]

Sera reminds me of people, particularly those of a political and social bent, who view others through a very narrow one dimensional view of nobles bad, rich bad, poor good, common good and then decides that their one dimensional viewpoint of social classes as well as races is the correct one and proceeds to talk down others or even be downright intolerant to those who disagree.

 

The best way to describe Sera is that she is a Type 3 Chaotic Neutral.

 

Source:- http://tvtropes.org/.../ChaoticNeutral

 

So yes, while Sera is a well written Type 3 Chaotic Neutral, she is not a very likeable person because a Type 3 Chaotic Neutral is genuinely not a likeable person.

 

If Sera is "someone who rebels for the sake of rebelling, someone who is counter-culture just for the sake of it", then you might as well put all the rebel mages in that category too. She's lived at the bottom of society, she's seen the crap those in power impose upon the rest of the populace. She has a damn good reason to be rebelling.

 

Yes, she can be childish, but ultimately, she can see the massive inequality and injustice inherent in Thedas' society and is fighting it the only way someone in her position can.

[fdrty]

I didn't say I had a problem with Sera not interacting with her Red Jenny spies, I have a problem with her never being shown to interact with the poor that she claims to care so much about.

 

She's constantly lecturing the Inquisitor against considering themselves so big and important that they don't notice or care about the "little folk" working for them, yet she's never shown actually interacting with, getting to know, or helping out Inquisiton staff either.  If anything, she has her own private room in the tavern that she never seems to leave (while Bull hangs out with common tavern patrons downstairs), and we're only told about her causing problems for Inquisition staff too, like how she steals tons of jam from the kitchens and drives the cooks crazy. I guess the cook and cook's assistants don't count as "little people" one shouldn't cause problems for.

 

It's a huge part of Bull's character that he's friendly, sociable, and cares about the men under him, so we have scenes that show him caring about and getting to know his men. We're constantly told Sera cares about the poor folk, yet apart from one scene where she talks to elven servants in the Winter Palace we have NO scenes of her actually interacting with them or making their days better with her antics. 

 

Even the prank scene falls flat because she CLAIMS it's to boost morale, but we never actually see the Inquisition's common getting a laugh through her antics. It just comes across as Sera wanting to play pranks because she feels like playing pranks on "big, important people," then using common folk as an excuse to do it.

 

 

I'll also address people who jumped on me for condemning Sera for appointing herself as Judge, Jury, and Executioner to all "important folk" she feels doesn't treat the common folk right: I stand by it. Sera has shown that she's willing to murder nobles she just met and knows nothing about based on hearsay and rumor, and based on whether or not she likes them on sight. I used her double standard regarding mages as an example of her having a very warped and biased perspective. Lots of people jumped on me for being biased. You're right, I am biased. But unlike Sera, I don't take it upon myself to go around playing Judge, Jury, and Executioner to a bunch of people I don't know based on whether or not they fit my personal biased view of what proper conduct to other people is. I still don't respect or like Sera for personally appointing herself the ultimate judge of the fates of nobles; and I don't even like nobles!

 

 

As I said, this is a problem with Inquisition as a whole. If Inquisition had quest structure and general game design inspired by Origins and not Skyrim then we might actually have more of that meaningful interaction that you're talking about. Compare what we saw of the cultures of Thedas in Origins and what we saw in inquisition.

 

Also, with your 'judge, jury, executioner' point - you have the benefit of living in a democracy where governments are democratically elected and therefore accountable - in a world like that, Sera's actions are reprehensible. However, in a world where she is a second class citizen among second class citizens, where she's seen the atrocities the system allows, where she's seen the immense disparity and privilege the nobles benefit from, and when there is no way to enact change fairly within the systems of government, then in that regard her actions are not nearly as terrible - even if neither me nor my inquisitor condones them..

 

By your logic, the French revolution was evil. Sure, it wasn't perfect, but it was better than what came before.

 

Or, in another way, the judges, juries and executioners of Dragon Age's feudal world are not forces of social justice but forces which entrench privilege and social injustice. Take a look at Halamshiral is you want to see the kind of social justice that the ultimate judge - the Empress - decides upon.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I'll stop doing that as soon as you and other people stop posting **** like this:

 

"Please no. I want her nowhere near Dragon Age 4. I want her nowhere near even Dragon Age: Inquisition."

 

https://forum.biowar.../#entry20379123

 

I'm fine with people saying they don't like this or that.  But you're saying that you don't like this or that so please i dont want to see it in the next game.  If I met a person like Sera IRL i'd think that she is a piece of **** too.  But i ignore those qualities in this character and focus on the stuff that i do like. This isnt just about this specific character, this is about you asking them to take out or exclude content that i like.  Instead of you simply not using that content you feel the need to ask for its removal and exclusion in future games too?

I'm allowed to post that I do not like certain content and want certain kinds of content to be excluded in future games. That is one of the points of feedback, to show what people don't like and don't want. You however are not allowed to make personal attacks on other posters. So no deal because the two things are not equivalent. Also, profanity and swearing isn't allowed on this site. Follow the rules. 

 

Also, with your 'judge, jury, executioner' point - you have the benefit of living in a democracy where governments are democratically elected and therefore accountable - in a world like that, Sera's actions are reprehensible. However, in a world where she is a second class citizen among second class citizens, where she's seen the atrocities the system allows, where she's seen the immense disparity and privilege the nobles benefit from, and when there is no way to enact change fairly within the systems of government, then in that regard her actions are not nearly as terrible - even if neither me nor my inquisitor condones them..

No, they still are. The fact other people are terrible doesn't excuse you for being terrible as well. 

 

 

By your logic, the French revolution was evil. Sure, it wasn't perfect, but it was better than what came before.

The French Revolution was evil. It is not and should not be looked at as a good moment in French history. 

[fdrty]

No, they still are. The fact other people are terrible doesn't excuse you for being terrible as well. 

No, but when you live in a system in which there are no legitimate or peaceful ways of enacting change, then being terrible is all you have.

 

The French Revolution was evil. It is not and should not be looked at as a good moment in French history. 

Well, I could say that Feudal France was evil, and should not be looked at as a good period. Difference is that the French Revolution led to democracy, and a fairer system. Terrible actions leading to a better future are better than either nothing or similarly terrible actions (Halamshiral, anyone?) done in the service of an unjust system.

[dragonagenewbie]

I'm allowed to post that I do not like certain content and want certain kinds of content to be excluded in future games. That is one of the points of feedback, to show what people don't like and don't want. You however are not allowed to make personal attacks on other posters. So no deal because the two things are not equivalent. Also, profanity and swearing isn't allowed on this site. Follow the rules. 

 

And i'm allowed to defend my reasoning for wanting certain content in this game and future games no matter how flawed or perfect my reasoning may be.  So don't you tell me to stop just because you think my arguments may be flawed.  See if this were just a simple agree/disagree conversation between you and me or me and Ghost Gal i'd be willing to cede my position if i have a bad argument.  But since you are also calling for her removal then yah i'm going to throw every argument i can think of at you.

 

EDIT: and also this particular type of content has multiple types that you can chose from.  Nine companions in this game, couple handful in the previous, another handful in the ME series, 5 per class in SWTOR plus purchasable comps. In most Bioware games they seem to be adding in a wide range of companion personalities.  You have Skadge from SWTOR and Sera in DAI.  If the next DA or ME game has a bunch of vanilla/boring comps because of all the forum QQ then i'd be pretty disappointed...especially when players have already been given the choice of choosing who they want to take along.  To me that just seems like the little kid that already has a toy in each hand but they also want the all the other toys laying on the ground which they dont want to share with the other kids.  (feel free to tell me that i suck at analogies too idc).

 

Also i dont know what kind of job you do irl or if you're still in school or what.  But let me tell you something that an old boss of mine told me about feedback.  He once said that there is a difference between whining and complaining.  When you whine you simply say "this sucks" when you complain you say "this sucks, but here is what i think we can do to make it better".  Then he would tell the worker to stop whining and get back to work.  Nevermind the dictionary definitions of those two words but i could see his point.  So in all the times that people on these forums say "i dont want this character" has anybody said but what they think could be done to make it better?  maybe i wouldnt be jumping on you so much if you said what could be done to make undesirable/controversial characters better.  You might have a suggestion that i agree with!  but if all you and anyone else is going to say is that this sucks then yes there is a chance that that feedback will change the content in future games but then we leave it up to the developers to come up with the "how".  Which could end up with the change being better OR worse.  I believe i've said on the forums 1 or 2 times that i'm ok with Sera not making it to the next game.  But i would still like to see a character like her in the next game.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

And i'm allowed to defend my reasoning for wanting certain content in this game and future games not matter how flawed or perfect my reasoning may be.  So dont you tell me to stop just because you think my arguments may be flawed.

I never said you should stop defending Sera. I said you need to stop trying to belittle the people who don't like her. Those are two very different things. 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

No, but when you live in a system in which there are no legitimate or peaceful ways of enacting change, then being terrible is all you have.

 

Well, I could say that Feudal France was evil, and should not be looked at as a good period. Difference is that the French Revolution led to democracy, and a fairer system. Terrible actions leading to a better future are better than either nothing or similarly terrible actions (Halamshiral, anyone?) done in the service of an unjust system.

If there are no legitimate or peaceful ways, then start one. Every one in our history started somewhere, and even in Dragon Age there are people who are trying. For example Leliana if unhardened and elected Divine.

 

As for the rest, I vehemently disagree. The ends don't justify the means, and if you have to sink to their level to beat them you are no better then them so nothing has changed. We should drop using real world examples though since that is against Site Rules. 

[Shechinah]

And i'm allowed to defend my reasoning for wanting certain content in this game and future games not matter how flawed or perfect my reasoning may be.  So dont you tell me to stop just because you think my arguments may be flawed.

 
You are allowed to defend your reasoning and requests for certain contents as long as your way of doing so does not violate the Site Rules. Hanako Ikezawa has as much a right as you to do the same which they did.
 
You may not know this but profanity and personal attacks are against the Site Rules as can be seen below;
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Some violations can result in suspension of forum privileges if reported by a poster or spotted by a moderator.

Calling Hanako Ikezawa's comment what you did may not be close enough to violate the Site Rules but it was rude and completely unnecessary to the point you seemed like you were attempting to make.

[Shechinah]

I'll stop doing that as soon as you and other people stop posting **** like this:
 
"Please no. I want her nowhere near Dragon Age 4. I want her nowhere near even Dragon Age: Inquisition."
 
https://forum.biowar.../#entry20379123
 
I'm fine with people saying they don't like this or that.  But you're saying that you don't like this or that so please i dont want to see it in the next game.  If I met a person like Sera IRL i'd think that she is a piece of **** too.  But i ignore those qualities in this character and focus on the stuff that i do like. This isnt just about this specific character, this is about you asking them to take out or exclude content that i like.  Instead of you simply not using that content you feel the need to ask for its removal and exclusion in future games too?

 
I repeatedly request that content I dislike be toned down or be absent in future installments as do others.
 
Example: I am amongst the people who disliked the endings of Mass Effect 3 and so I repeatedly request that similar endings are not present in future products. I am not advocating the removal of the endings in the Mass Effect 3; I am requesting that the elements I disliked are either toned down or are absent in future installments. I am expressing what I dislike about a product and what could impact my interest in future products in the series.
 
Other people like the endings of Mass Effect 3 and would like to see similar endings in future products: this would mean our opinions, enjoyment and request on certain kinds of content differs from each other to the point where my request could lead to the potential decrease or complete absent of content they enjoy and that their request could lead to the potential decrease or complete absent of my interest in future products.
 
I've repeatedly seen people request that content that I enjoy be toned down or be absent from future installments and while I might engage them in discussion about the merits or lack thereof in the content in question, I would not say that they do not have the right to voice their dislike and request their wishes as long as they do it constructively. As long as we do it in accordance to the Sites Rules, we both have a right to voice our respective points and request our respective wishes even if they are at odds and can come at the expense of the others' enjoyment of a product.

It is completely normal for customers to request that content they disliked not return in future products be it games or other things. They tend to do this because the content can and sometimes do lessen their enjoyment of a product to the point where they may no longer have an interest in purchasing said product.
 
Additionally, the particular comment you bolded seemed to be an opinion more than it was intended to be taken as constructive feedback.

[dragonagenewbie]

I never said you should stop defending Sera. I said you need to stop trying to belittle the people who don't like her. Those are two very different things. 

 

"You need to stop making baseless assumptions in your attempt to defend Sera, both of characters and of real people."

 

Any assumptions i make is from dialogue that was said in game or dialogue that I interpret.  You and GG (Ghost Gal) said she was a bully didnt you? how did you come to that conclusion? you judged her actions in game right? does she stand on top of the Tavern yelling i am a bully? does an NPC or Josie walk past saying that she is a Bully? no you judged the characters actions.  Now is that wrong? no of course not.  Now when i say she was pranking advisors to raise morale how do you think i came to that conclusion? it is because she says it in her dialogue that morale was low (in Sera-talk).  You asked me a few pages back if i thought Sera's words were gospel.  Well i dont think her words are gospel...i think that whatever the games writers have written for me to read/hear is gospel.  I dont accept other peoples headcanon or even my own headcanon if its a discussion between me and other people.  If you are going to prove to me that this character is this or that then you use something from in game (which you and GG did with interpreting her bullying actions).  Now if i'm to believe that a character is lying to me or altering the truth a tiny bit or anything like that then there needs to be a dialogue telling me that.  So anyways, while you and GG were saying that she is a bully and that she was only doing the pranks for herself did my focus on the morale building make it seem like i cared about those things? her selfishness and bullying?  So she's a bully and she's selfish...ok...so what? you two care about that but did the fact that i wasn't addressing either of those points make you think that maybe I didnt care?  Well if it wasn't clear then, and it still isnt clear now let me tell you: I. dont. care.  She still made a bunch of soldiers and kitchen staff happy (minus the one cleaning up) which is all i care about. 

 

I actually came to find out a few hours later after doing some digging that Leliana is a prankster herself.  Cullens dialogue reflects that he *might* be the type that "goes along to play along" so maybe he is ok with pranks too but just not good at doing them.  Josie was the only one I dont know about but her and Leliana are still friends after Leliana pranked her so maybe she's "OK" with pranks?  not a lot to go off of with Josie.  But now that makes me wonder...is Leliana a bully too? hows does laying all or some of someones fancy clothes out in the sun compare to making a table leg wobbly or a bucket of water that might soak or ruin one set of clothes for a few people?  Leliana we dont know what Sera had planned for her.  But we know it didnt involve Leliana's private things.  Thats a pretty decent thing to think of for a bully...not wanting to mess with someones personal things.  You'd think that Sera would be the kind of person to take Leliana's new I-phone and throw it in a pond and then burp in her face and then give her a melvin.

[ModernAcademic]

I'm sorry to interfere, I know it's none of my business, but it's counterproductive to keep pointing fingers at each other, post after post. You'll only become further entangled in your little fight and keep acusing each other ad infinitum. No one will change each other's minds. And in the end, some random idiot might take advantage of the situation and request a mod to lock the thread. Nobody wants that.

 

Just forgive and forget, guys. Please. 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

 She still made a bunch of soldiers and kitchen staff happy (minus the one cleaning up) which is all i care about. 

Source? The game doesn't show a single person being happy with the pranks Sera pulls. Well, that's not true they do show one person: Sera. 

 

I actually came to find out a few hours later after doing some digging that Leliana is a prankster herself.  Cullens dialogue reflects that he *might* be the type that "goes along to play along" so maybe he is ok with pranks too but just not good at doing them.  Josie was the only one I dont know about but her and Leliana are still friends after Leliana pranked her so maybe she's "OK" with pranks?  not a lot to go off of with Josie.  But now that makes me wonder...is Leliana a bully too? hows does laying all or some of someones fancy clothes out in the sun compare to making a table leg wobbly or a bucket of water that might soak or ruin one set of clothes for a few people?  Leliana we dont know what Sera had planned for her.  But we know it didnt involve Leliana's private things.  Thats a pretty decent thing to think of for a bully...not wanting to mess with someones personal things.  You'd think that Sera would be the kind of person to take Leliana's new I-phone and throw it in a pond and then burp in her face and then give her a melvin.

Cullen wasn't planning on doing it because he likes it, but thought he had to retaliate to make Sera stop. 

Being a friend with someone who does something doesn't mean you are okay with that something. For example there are people who are friends with people who drink alcohol yet are not okay with drinking alcohol.

You are right about Leliana, though I've never defended Leliana on that. Yes, yes she is one too. 

There are different levels and kinds of bullies you know. 

As for your question, yes I do think Sera would be that kind of person. She does that to others, like Josephine by stealing her undergarments as well(it's how Leliana got them).