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The biggest hypocrisy in the game is not Sera but, the leaders allowing the people to believe a common Dalish Elf,Hume,Dwarf or Qunari is the Herald of Andraste even after the truth is learned.

 

I won't start with Leliana's hypocrisy.

 

At least Sera has the guts to speak her mind.


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The biggest hypocrisy in the game is not Sera but, the leaders allowing the people to believe a common Dalish Elf,Hume,Dwarf or Qunari is the Herald of Andraste even after the truth is learned.

I won't start with Leliana's hypocrisy.

At least Sera has the guts to speak her mind.


What truth? The point that people like Gisele make is that the whole idea behind providence is they can't know. That aside, Gisele very cynically engineers your cult, more so than even Josephine.

Plus, just because you deny your own divinity doesn't mean other people will buy it. That's how belief works. It's stupid.

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So I believe you've been corrected at least three times about Orlais granting the elves the Dales. I assume you're going to to continue ignoring future ones? 

Yeah I remember him too.

Unfortunately I think he's one of those guys who will continue to preach his spiel regardless of how many inaccuracies or flaws it has. Perhaps its best not to engage him?



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Come on its obviously the Chantry started as a crazed cult of a make believe phallic symbol that doesn't even exist, it seems to me that the Chantry is started of as a power hungry religious sect to indoctrinate people to believe the lie of what this Maker was. It is a tool for power over people. That's all it is.


The Chantry didn't start squat. Even if the cult of the Maker didn't exist before Andraste (which I doubt), the Chantry wasn't formed for decades/centuries, and was at first only one of many cults about the Maker, and there wasn't any major organization about the Maker before it. So the cult spread naturally in thedas without any organization using it to 'indoctrinate' people. The religious organization came later, regardless of the opinion about it that me, you, or others might have.

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The Chantry didn't start squat. Even if the cult of the Maker didn't exist before Andraste (which I doubt), the Chantry wasn't formed for decades/centuries, and was at first only one of many cults about the Maker, and there wasn't any major organization about the Maker before it. So the cult spread naturally in thedas without any organization using it to 'indoctrinate' people. The religious organization came later, regardless of the opinion about it that me, you, or others might have.

Ehhhh.....partially true? I mean, depends on what you think on what 'indoctrination' includes, but Drakon and the first Inquisition pretty much went with a "you don't think this way then you may and/probably will get killed" sort of policy. Which is one way of systematically getting people to think/believe like they do.



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Ehhhh.....partially true? I mean, depends on what you think on what 'indoctrination' includes, but Drakon and the first Inquisition pretty much went with a "you don't think this way then you may and/probably will get killed" sort of policy. Which is one way of systematically getting people to think/believe like they do.

I wasn't clear. I meant that cult, after Andraste's death,spread in thedas without an organization behind it, so people weren't indoctrinated to follow it.
Drakon definitely forced people to convert to one particular cult of the Maker. I just meant that the Maker was worshipped in different cults before him and without someone forcing people to do so.

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I wasn't clear. I meant that cult, after Andraste's death,spread in thedas without an organization behind it, so people weren't indoctrinated to follow it.
Drakon definitely forced people to convert to one particular cult of the Maker. I just meant that the Maker was worshipped in different cults before him and without someone forcing people to do so.

Ah ok. Yes, that makes more sense.



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I meant no one teach her about elven history when she was a child and obviously she doesn't want to identify being an elf, because they're the oppressed but rather relate to the humans. That is the symptom of racial oppression of a people that leads to self hatred.

 

Unless of course after being taught about elven history she reached the same conclusion that thinking about things that happened 3,000 years ago is a waste of her time.  Which given her "narrowly focused on what is fun right now" personality seems likely.  



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I wasn't clear. I meant that cult, after Andraste's death,spread in thedas without an organization behind it, so people weren't indoctrinated to follow it.
Drakon definitely forced people to convert to one particular cult of the Maker. I just meant that the Maker was worshipped in different cults before him and without someone forcing people to do so.

The Chantry is pretty much like The Crusades (hence Exalted Marches) with their fanatical religious beliefs to control people of this imaginary masculine deity. If a person genuinely believe a higher power, they should be no armies, Exalted Marches, and no pecking order of who want to rule over people.

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The Chantry is pretty much like The Crusades (hence Exalted Marches) with their fanatical religious beliefs to control people of this imaginary masculine deity. If a person genuinely believe a higher power, they should be no armies, Exalted Marches, and no pecking order of who want to rule over people.

Again, the Maker was whoshipped before the armies and the EM came. Regardless of your opinion of the Chantry, the cult was already spread in Thedas, without the use of force.

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The Chantry is pretty much like The Crusades (hence Exalted Marches) with their fanatical religious beliefs to control people of this imaginary masculine deity. If a person genuinely believe a higher power, they should be no armies, Exalted Marches, and no pecking order of who want to rule over people.

 

That is of course nonsense.  There is no reason why genuinely believing in a higher power precludes armies, crusades and a pecking order. Indeed the very concept of a higher power has a pecking order built into it.  



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That is of course nonsense. There is no reason why genuinely believing in a higher power precludes armies, crusades and a pecking order. Indeed the very concept of a higher power has a pecking order built into it.

They did spread lies about the elves and rewrote history of the very first Inquisitor because he's an elf. Wow! It seems the Chantry are bunch of old insecure, narcissistic, yet racist women after all. No wonder the elves were hated because they knew what the elves were used to be, and they're afraid of the elves would free themselves from the Chantry, and getting back to the way their ancestors once were.

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Stop responding to n7. Logic doesn't apply to him
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Again, the Maker was whoshipped before the armies and the EM came. Regardless of your opinion of the Chantry, the cult was already spread in Thedas, without the use of force.

 

Andraste's holy army was the very first to spread word of this Maker. It was Andraste, Bride of the Maker, who declared the First Exalted March against the Tevinter Imperium. 



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In Exile,I fully agree Sister G played a large part but,the others did nothing to silence that  lie and actually encourage it. After returning from the fade the Inquisitor can agree to let the people believe in the herald since they need hope.

 

My Elvan Inquisitor Tidus believes in the Maker that's why he/she was a solitary child. Yes,you have that option. Camin and Chasha wears Mythal (alternate) and believes in the Elvan Gods. 



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Andraste's holy army was the very first to spread word of this Maker. It was Andraste, Bride of the Maker, who declared the First Exalted March against the Tevinter Imperium.

WoT indicates that the belief in an absent creator God is a very old one, one the Tevinters believed in before and even as they worshipped the Old Gods. They believed that the Old Gods originated outside the creator's plan for the world, and thus were capable of changing it, hence their reverence for them.

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There are two common shitty stereotype about lesbians: "the hot pornstar who fools around with other women while really waiting for a Big Strong Man to wade in and plow them senseless", and the "dudebro with ******". The latter? That's Sera. She feels like the guy who wrote her gleefully regressed to his equally stereotypical 12-year-old-boy self, slapped breasts on it, and called it a day. It's teeth-grindingly obnoxious at best, and depressingly disrespectful at worst.
 
Are there grown-ass women, including lesbians, who act like this? Yes. But when your ONLY lesbian character is a crude, bigoted, selfish, shortsighted to the point of willful stupidity, rebel-without-a-clue brat with several red flags for abusive behavior thrown in for good measure, it just feels like a kick in the teeth. Give me a dozen or two mature, well-written gay women and I would still despise Sera, never once use her, and think her totally out of place for a story like this, but could shrug her off as an annoying outlier. As it is? I expected better. There were a few hints of something deeper in the first chat at Skyhold, but not nearly enough to put up with the rest of the BS. Compare her to her male counterpart -- such a stark contest in terms of maturity and respectful writing.

Damn. That bad??

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She said she hated the Tree of the People in her alienage. She also says that most elves she knows are "too elfy" which presumably would mostly be city elves. When you first meet, she is disappointed by the very sight of you if you are an elf. I don't think she sees the City Elves as being fundamentally different in terms of "elfiness" (especially given the word she uses for it), just that the Dalish are more elfy.

 

I always laugh when she meets the dwarven Inquisitor. It's a different kind of disappointment altogether.  :P



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In Exile,I fully agree Sister G played a large part but,the others did nothing to silence that  lie and actually encourage it. After returning from the fade the Inquisitor can agree to let the people believe in the herald since they need hope.

 

My Elvan Inquisitor Tidus believes in the Maker that's why he/she was a solitary child. Yes,you have that option. Camin and Chasha wears Mythal (alternate) and believes in the Elvan Gods. 

 

Which "others", though? The masses honestly believe. Your party has obviously mixed views. Some believe. Some want to believe. Solas obviously knows it's all a crock of **** but expressly tells you why he thinks you should completely lie about it. Even with the Fade, it's kind of a toss-up if it is a lie. Or rather, what is a lie. For example, Leliana seems to believe it was the Divine (and Cassandra seems split on it). I've only ever rolled atheistic characters (well, I halfway did one faithful human). But my Dalish elves are all bad at being the right kind of Dalish. 



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Have to admit. I hated Sera on my 1st PT and playing as a Dalish whose been groomed all her life to be Keeper of the Clan someday,.. yeah.. kinda tough.
Even when I tried my hardest to be 'nice' she still leaves a bad taste in my mouth. I get it, you're Andrastrian and I respect that. But could you please not be rude about my faith and beliefs? Because matters of faith / religion could be a sensitive thing and getting into a debate of "my beliefs is better than yours" grates me in game and irl.

But then after rolling a 2nd one (still with a dalish mage) I plan out my convo with her and gets to see another side of her and even pictures an interesting relationship with my Lavellan.

One big sister elf who is propper, responsible and sticks with tradition and a little sister elf who is bratty, condescending but deep down inside she only wanted to have a family. And when she finally feels that she has found them, she values it more than she lets on. Oh there are PLENTY of arguments here and there, besides, what is sisterhood without occasional cat fights? :D

So yeah, kuddos to the game maker / character writter.

But I'll give a double thumbs up to whomever wrote Cassandra: she trully is the only character that I love from the get go to the end game and up to the nth PT

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If there's a cosmetic surgery of making elven ears to be human ears, I bet you any kind of money Sera would take that surgery. What a damn shame.

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If there's a cosmetic surgery of making elven ears to be human ears, I bet you any kind of money Sera would take that surgery. What a damn shame.


Doubtful. There's nothing about her character that suggests to me that she'd disapprove of her physical appearance that she'd want to permanently alter it. I mean, she doesn't strike me as the sort of character that would aim to conform. She hates a lot of human culture too (probably more so than much of anything elven, since humans are always the nobles she targets on a regular basis).

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My problem with Sera has been here hypocrisy. Yes, she's straight forward as it can get about what she wants and what she wants to say. But I find her a big fat hypocrite.

 

And I am using the approval system to prove this. Early on in the game, in the Hinterlands, you need to get blankets and food for the refuges. Cole Approves, Iron Bull Approves, Blackwall Approves, etc. Most people approve of these things.

 

Sera, Slightly Approves.

 

Where is all of her, for the little people and doing for the people who need it, and then when you do it, she doesn't even show a bit of care. It's not all about making yourself a nuisance and having fun.

 

She refuses to learn

 

She refuses to accept her mistakes

 

She can be downright petty

 

And yet, I still like here. With the right Inquisitor, she's actually a decent character, and I do like her more when you befriend her. But a Lawful Inquisitor, whose straight forward and pragmatic, only sees Sera as a petty child. Because she is. 


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Sera is so damn funny as a character. If I took her seriously, I would dislike her. If I was in game.. I would troll her so hard. I'd have her repeat herself a lot.

Sera: *ramble, ramble.*
Me: What?

Later..
Sera: *ramble* for the little people.
Me: Huh?

Sera: Want a cookie?
Me: Sure.

On roof..
Sera: *story mode*
Me: *nods* Thanks for the cookie.

I know that sounds stupid but I could see myself doing that.
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Doubtful. There's nothing about her character that suggests to me that she'd disapprove of her physical appearance that she'd want to permanently alter it. I mean, she doesn't strike me as the sort of character that would aim to conform. She hates a lot of human culture too (probably more so than much of anything elven, since humans are always the nobles she targets on a regular basis).

She just go for anyone who's rich and she didn't hold animosity towards humans but her own kind, and she would GI for that surgery to change her ears so she could fit in into human society. And not identify herself as an elf.