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[Sasie]

See, I just looked up that scene on YouTube, and best I can tell you don't actually tell her that Solas just dumped Lavellan. You can only tell her the truth about Vallaslin and she makes it clear she doesn't know what happened after the Inquisitor went off with Solas. You're expecting to show empathy for something she doesn't know happened.

She doesn't need to know Solas broke it off in order to know it's a bad idea to laugh. Lavellan has been raised on the idea that she is part of the last free elves who has not been broken by their history. They are taught that the dalish will never again submit to humanity or accept servitude/slavery. To learn that the mark of her heritage of her face was actually a slave brand has to hurt.

Anyone with even a shred of empathy would realise laughing at what must have been a very painful revelation is a horrible thing to do. She might dislike the dalish but if she cared about the Inquisitor at all she would have reacted differently.

Edit: I could add that Josefine seems to realise the situation just fine with LESS details and change the subject. Sera just laugh.

[Han Shot First]

I don't hate her. Actually I don't hate any of the companions, and DA:I's cast is probably my favorite of the DA series. But out of the bunch Sera would probably be my choice for least favorite. For me it was mainly that she was a bit of a scatterbrain who barely made sense most of the time. Also it seemed a bit redundant with Cole in the party, since Cole also has lots of bizarre or confusing dialogue. The difference though is that Cole is a Fade Spirit whose weirdness makes sense. Sera just comes across as mentally handicapped.

[NWN-Ming-Ming]

Anyone with even a shred of empathy would realise laughing at what must have been a very painful revelation is a horrible thing to do. She might dislike the dalish but if she cared about the Inquisitor at all she would have reacted differently.

I disagree.  There's many different kinds of friends, and different kinds of reactions.  Many of my guy friends trash talk, mock-insult, real-insult, and generally tell people when they flat-out smell bull#$%.  Some of my girl friends do the same.  Some of my girl friends do the whole "Pat your back and tell you kind lies" to make you feel better.  Some of my gay guy friends do the same.

 

I for the most part, would have laughed and tried to make "you" (the Quizzie) laugh at yourself as well.  I feel that laughter cures despair and hurt.  But I definitely wouldn't have sugar-coated the situation.

[Steelcan]

anyone who goes "lol you got dumped and your entire culture is a sham, told ya so" and then proceeds to make farting noises, is not a friend

[o Ventus]

anyone who goes "lol you got dumped and your entire culture is a sham, told ya so" and then proceeds to make farting noises, is not a friend

It's a good thing none of the companions actually do this then.

[Steelcan]

It's a good thing none of the companions actually do this then.

true, the farting noises come later

[rigron]

It's not complicated, really. She's erratic, stubborn, close-minded, easily irritated, refuses to consider alternative ways of thinking, etc..

 

Allow me to continue:

 

infantile minded, inmature, simplistic, negates evidence even when you put it in front of his face, ugly, discriminatory, hates people just for their appearence or social status instead of for how are they as persons, willing to kill anyone just because she dislikes him/her, thinks only about herself, don´t care about the Apocalipsis and complaints about it because it gives her more work and less time to play and she thoughts she wouldn´t have to work that lot when she joined, laughts at the entire dalish (and "wild" elven overall) and their culture being whipped out, like to mess with other people and bully them for no other reason than because it is fun for her...

 

Yep, the list of reasons for hating Sera is that long.

 

The questions should be: why would anyone like Sera? Seriously, I think she is the stupidest character of Bioware, even the Lawful, Neutral and Chaotic Evil companions of Baldur´s Gate were better persons, better friends, more charismatic and more interesting characters than her. She is not even interesting as a character at all.

[Heimdall]

She doesn't need to know Solas broke it off in order to know it's a bad idea to laugh. Lavellan has been raised on the idea that she is part of the last free elves who has not been broken by their history. They are taught that the dalish will never again submit to humanity or accept servitude/slavery. To learn that the mark of her heritage of her face was actually a slave brand has to hurt.
Anyone with even a shred of empathy would realise laughing at what must have been a very painful revelation is a horrible thing to do. She might dislike the dalish but if she cared about the Inquisitor at all she would have reacted differently.

On the other hand, Sera is one of those people Lavellan's people look down upon and don't consider real elves unless they throw away everything they have and adopt the Dalish way. Frankly I feel like she's owed that moment.

Look at what she says though, she isn't calling the Inquistor an idiot in that scene or making fun of her, she's mocking the Dalish that have looked down on her for her entire life for not following their "elfy" ways. She actually compliments the Inquisitor for knowing better now and losing the markings.

Is it a bit insensitive? Sure, but hardly the monstrous act you make it out to be.

[robertthebard]

Allow me to continue:
 
infantile minded, inmature, simplistic, negates evidence even when you put it in front of his face, ugly, discriminatory, hates people just for their appearence or social status instead of for how are they as persons, willing to kill anyone just because she dislikes him/her, thinks only about herself, don´t care about the Apocalipsis and complaints about it because it gives her more work and less time to play and she thoughts she wouldn´t have to work that lot when she joined...
 
Yep, the list of reasons for hating Sera is that long.
 
The questions should be: why would anyone like Sera?

Because we actually talked to her, instead of forming our opinions on BSN trying to be popular?

[Call Me Jord]

The way she speaks really grinds my gears. For anyone that lives in the United Kingdom, you know what I'm talking about. The Chav speak is something not even the strongest drink can wash away.

 

Once I was able to overlook that, she's pretty awesome. Well admittedly, she is still quite the unknown anomaly to me, as I've yet to properly speak with her in between missions. I think I'll try and do that this playthrough, so I can get a better understanding of her. 

 

Well, a slight annoyance when it comes to trying to play a Paragon/Renegade Character. Sera seems to rubber band around the more neutral area, so no matter how hard you try, something you say or do will get a reaction lol.

[robertthebard]

The way she speaks really grinds my gears. For anyone that lives in the United Kingdom, you know what I'm talking about. The Chav speak is something not even the strongest drink can wash away.
 
Once I was able to overlook that, she's pretty awesome. Well admittedly, she is still quite the unknown anomaly to me, as I've yet to properly speak with her in between missions. I think I'll try and do that this playthrough, so I can get a better understanding of her. 
 
Well, a slight annoyance when it comes to trying to play a Paragon/Renegade Character. Sera seems to rubber band around the more neutral area, so no matter how hard you try, something you say or do will get a reaction lol.

She is that kind of person. I love her, I really do, but sometimes even I have to go "WTF were you thinking". This, however, only adds to the way I feel about her. I love that she can make me wanna Gibbs slap her sometimes.

[Bladenite1481]

Like I said before, she is like Peter Pan but in the real world. A very limited set of coping mechanisms..those tools being violence, crass jokes, laughing, arrows and swearing. That's it, that is what she's got. So anything that happens she will react in one of  those ways. In some ways I feel sorry for her but then I don't because you realize that she knows exactly who she is and she is okay with it. Sera doesn't want the Inquisitor to be like her, she wants the Inquisitor to be what she can not, a symbol of something better. 

 

Essentially everything she says is her saying "Hey that grown up thing you do, I can't do that. But I'll give whatever else I got until this is right or you tell me to leave"

[KillTheLastRomantic]

She doesn't need to know Solas broke it off in order to know it's a bad idea to laugh. Lavellan has been raised on the idea that she is part of the last free elves who has not been broken by their history. They are taught that the dalish will never again submit to humanity or accept servitude/slavery. To learn that the mark of her heritage of her face was actually a slave brand has to hurt.

Anyone with even a shred of empathy would realise laughing at what must have been a very painful revelation is a horrible thing to do. She might dislike the dalish but if she cared about the Inquisitor at all she would have reacted differently.

Edit: I could add that Josefine seems to realise the situation just fine with LESS details and change the subject. Sera just laugh.

 

Plus she's consistently cruel in banters towards Cole, the embodiment of compassion, who's only desire is to soothe the pain of others. Hearing those banters made me feel genuinely uncomfortable and I wanted the option to speak up to her.

[Heimdall]

Edit: I could add that Josefine seems to realise the situation just fine with LESS details and change the subject. Sera just laugh.

Josephine is a trained diplomat with bard training. If she didn't have more tact and wasn't better at reading people than Sera, I would be shocked.

[Call Me Jord]

She is that kind of person. I love her, I really do, but sometimes even I have to go "WTF were you thinking". This, however, only adds to the way I feel about her. I love that she can make me wanna Gibbs slap her sometimes.

 

I speak for my breeches when I say I won't physically mess with her.

 

Instead, I'll leave Jar of Bee's where she sleeps. This would mean upsetting the whole Inn, so I'd wait for her reaction, go in looking all confused, then just buy everyones drinks for the evening!

 

She'll never suspect a thing.

[Hazegurl]

lol! I'm glad I didn't play an elf...yet. I probably would have kicked her butt out in Haven and would hate her guts too if she really did and said some of these things to an elven Inquisitor. The more I read the more she sounds like an elven Uncle Ruckus (Boondocks)

[Sasie]

Look at what she says though, she isn't calling the Inquistor an idiot in that scene or making fun of her, she's mocking the Dalish that have looked down on her for her entire life for not following their "elfy" ways. 

 

To some Inquisitiors who believe in the dalish way of life mocking the dalish is the same thing as mocking Lavellan directly. She more or less laughed because Lavellan found out her entire way of life was a lie and then in a smug/amused voice say something like you know better... now.

 

Her laughter isn't directed at Lavellan but I consider that just to be worse. Sera's first reaction is against the dalish, she never doesn't care or consider how the Inquisition might feel about it. Again Josephine was a lot more considerate after being told a lot less. That to me tells me who among them is the better friend.

[Heimdall]

Plus she's consistently cruel in banters towards Cole, the embodiment of compassion, who's only desire is to soothe the pain of others. Hearing those banters made me feel genuinely uncomfortable and I wanted the option to speak up to her.

She's not comfortable with magic, Cole is a spirit with a habit of poking around people's heads. She's usually angry with him about that in those banters. (Ironically, Cole seems to like her thoughts)

[robertthebard]

Josephine is a trained diplomat with bard training. If she didn't have more tact and wasn't better at reading people than Sera, I would be shocked.

I love Josie too, but she can be kind of blind to some stuff. Like my Inquisitor flirtingly asking her to walk the ramparts, and she's going to send for a steward to guide me. I think I laughed for a half hour.

[NWN-Ming-Ming]

Plus she's consistently cruel in banters towards Cole, the embodiment of compassion, who's only desire is to soothe the pain of others. Hearing those banters made me feel genuinely uncomfortable and I wanted the option to speak up to her.

Mehn, I dislike Cole and find him creepy-stalkerish and rapist-level invasive with the way he mindreads people without their permission.  I like and support the fact that Sera shares those sentiments. 

 

I leave Cole behind always.  I did his personal quest, and choose to make him more human, which is slightly better.  But yea... I am NOT a Cole fangirl.

[KillTheLastRomantic]

She's not comfortable with magic, Cole is a spirit with a habit of poking around people's heads. She's usually angry with him about that in those banters. (Ironically, Cole seems to like her thoughts)

She's reacting with anger and aggression towards something she doesn't understand. Which is certainly in character, but it's not exactly something I'd admire in others. It came across very mean spirited and almost bullying and it made me very uncomfortable.

[NWN-Ming-Ming]

She's reacting with anger and aggression towards something she doesn't understand. Which is certainly in character, but it's not exactly something I'd admire in others. It came across very mean spirited and almost bullying and it made me very uncomfortable.

I find Cole the mental-rapist makes me uncomfortable.  But yanno, different strokes for different folks... and breeches.

[Heimdall]

To some Inquisitiors who believe in the dalish way of life mocking the dalish is the same thing as mocking Lavellan directly. She more or less laughed because Lavellan found out her entire way of life was a lie and then in a smug/amused voice say something like you know better... now.
 
Her laughter isn't directed at Lavellan but I consider that just to be worse. Sera's first reaction is against the dalish, she never doesn't care or consider how the Inquisition might feel about it. Again Josephine was a lot more considerate after being told a lot less. That to me tells me who among them is the better friend.

See my previous post about Josephine.

If you had the Vallaslin removed, I'd assume the Inquisitor isn't such an ardent believer in the Dalish way anymore. Which is likely how Sera took it. I never said she had tact, but she does tell the Inquisitor that she's better off now in her tactless way.

[Heimdall]

She's reacting with anger and aggression towards something she doesn't understand. Which is certainly in character, but it's not exactly something I'd admire in others. It came across very mean spirited and almost bullying and it made me very uncomfortable.

Considering that this particular person is digging into her thoughts, I'm inclined to give her a pass.

[Sasie]

I find Cole the mental-rapist makes me uncomfortable.  But yanno, different strokes for different folks... and breeches.

A bit off topic but even if I'm not a Sera fan at all but I hae to agree with this. I grew to like Cole with time, mostly with the help of Varric but Cole is creepy. The only one I feel is unjustifiable hash toward him is Vivienne because she should know better, or at least that he isn't a demon. For everyone else and especially none-mages they have a right to find Cole a bit creepy.

Mind reading, even when done by a spirit of compassion might not be wanted. I prefer my thoughts to be mine alone, to have some spirit start rambling about how I feel in a crowd would be very unnerving.
 

 

See my previous post about Josephine.

If you had the Vallaslin removed, I'd assume the Inquisitor isn't such an ardent believer in the Dalish way anymore. Which is likely how Sera took it. I never said she had tact, but she does tell the Inquisitor that she's better off now in her tactless way.

 

My dalish elf actually keep the mark but I did them again to see the other side but I imagine at the heat of the moment the idea of getting rid of slave branding might be tempting. Even for someone who does think of themselves as part of the culture. 

As for Josephine/Sera you might be right but I still find the lack of tact unforgivable. There is just some things you don't do and Sera cross it constantly but owh well. I never really liked her character from the start. I would have preferred a city elf like Briala instead.