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[WildOrchid]

She clearly does.

 

I haven't actually used Cole much, now i'll have to. I'm curious about Sera's "inner" pain.

[Vyndral]

yes there is, his nature as a spirit of Compassion.
 
Forcing him to bottle up everything he hears and preventing him from helping would be just like forcing Solas's friend to fight, it would corrupt them from their true purpose and turn them into a demon

So he knows it would be a kindness to certain people to keep it to himself. But it is his kindness that makes him hurt them by repeatedly bringing it up...

[Heimdall]

I haven't actually used Cole much, now i'll have to. I'm curious about Sera's "inner" pain.

He seems to enjoy her thoughts actually

[Sombrerototo]

Sera is the most original companion ever made, even if I think that all 9 are quite unique (Cassandra, Varric and somehow Solas are not so original).

 

Though I have some very hard moments sometimes to understand Sera (and Cole but Cole is just ... Cole). But I think it's meant to be that way, I mean the Inquisitor whether he/she likes Sera or not never truly understands what she means and that's part of her charm.

 

Plus I love all of her character card pick in the companion selection screen

[Steelcan]

"Cole: There are songs in every part of part of you, Sera. Soft, silly, sibilants sighing in silence, waiting for you to hear them.
Sera: Look, could you at least not stare past my eyes? Freakin creepy, that.
Cole: You're not your eyes, you live behind them.
Sera: That too! Don't do that! Creepy."

 

Yeah clearly he's a monster for asking her to do some self reflection

[skotie]

Thank you, that was exactly my point. She's Andrastian, and dismissive of the Elven pantheon. She's been Andrastian, and dismissive of the elven pantheon since we met. Since when is being consistent with your religious beliefs being a hypocrite? Did we change the meaning of the word to suit BSN? It's not the first time that I've been asked to rewrite the English language to support a position here. Given the evidence we have, she's right, too.

So, how many of the Elven Gods existed solely through possession of mortals? What beings do exist that way, in the mortal realm? Demons and Spirits. Until we meet Cole, they are the only beings that possess mortals to exist outside of the Fade. My examples? Connor and Anders? Did I make them up to support my argument, or are they very real people in the lore? We can extend the demon example to all of the abominations we fought in the first two games, so really, there's a fairly well documented history to support what Sera believes. Even with the Well of Sorrows, we're left with pure speculation that Mythal and I can't ever remember his name are anything more than spirits. It was left vague, and I subject that it was left that way intentionally. Given what we do know, however, Sera is absolutely right to believe that they are nothing but demons, since the lay person isn't exactly up on "Hey, there are other spirits in the Fade. That's a mage thing, and, what do you know, Sera's not a mage.

Yet there is zero evidence to support andraste and the chantry, other than thier belief that coincidences are acts of the Maker. Don't say Urn of Sacred ashes, what a magical urn which was guarded by spirits that might just be "Demon Magic!" as well. Magical healing ashes hardly proves that any of the nonsense the chantry spews is truth.

 

But when some evidence is shown for even a bit of truth to the elvan pantheon she dismisses it entirely and doesn't want to consider it. Funny how most of the characters in the inquisition are andrastian but if you openly admit you don't believe in the maker, that your dalish and you follow your own gods almost no one seems to have a problem with that, except Sera!

[Heimdall]

"Cole: There are songs in every part of part of you, Sera. Soft, silly, sibilants sighing in silence, waiting for you to hear them.
Sera: Look, could you at least not stare past my eyes? Freakin creepy, that.
Cole: You're not your eyes, you live behind them.
Sera: That too! Don't do that! Creepy."
 
Yeah clearly he's a monster for asking her to do some self reflection

If he didn't do that by taking a look for himself and say "Look at this I found in your head!" There wouldn't be a problem.

I don't think he's monster or a rapist, but I do think Sera's response is justified.

[Heimdall]

Yet there is zero evidence to support andraste and the chantry, other than thier belief that coincidences are acts of the Maker. Don't say Urn of Sacred ashes, what a magical urn which was guarded by spirits that might just be "Demon Magic!" as well. Magical healing ashes hardly proves that any of the nonsense the chantry spews is truth.
 
But when some evidence is shown for even a bit of truth to the elvan pantheon she dismisses it entirely and doesn't want to consider it. Funny how most of the characters in the inquisition are andrastian but if you openly admit you don't believe in the maker, that your dalish and you follow your own gods almost no one seems to have a problem with that, except Sera!

There is no evidence to show Sera. The temple of Mythal is no more proof of her godhood than the Tempe of Sacred Ashes is proof of the Maker.

[Isaidlunch]

I find Sera violently beating someone to death more disturbing than anything Cole has ever said or done. I thought Jack in ME2 was bad, Sera makes her look like Mother Teresa in comparison.

[robertthebard]

When you laugh at someone's people and that person is part of a minority, you are laughing at them.  Is it appropriate to make fun of minorities now because one individual person is suddenly "more white?"

Uh oh, now we're to the "race card", the argument you can't refute, because no matter what you say, you're a racist for not towing the line.

But you know what? If I were subjected to Solas' holier than thou "you could be so much more if you'd just open up to your heritage", you know, the heritage of whining about how the Shems broke your people(only to find out that, ironically enough, your people broke your people), and that to be a true elf, one must be branded(as a slave) I really do think I'd laugh my ass off. Play your race card, I see it, and race you a self righteous ass hole card. It's always fun to watch the self righteous get taken down a peg.

[Heimdall]

I find Sera violently beating someone to death more disturbing than anything Cole has ever said or done. I thought Jack in ME2 was bad, Sera makes her look like Mother Teresa in comparison.

Even considering what that person had just done?

[skotie]

There is no evidence to show Sera. The temple of Mythal is no more proof of her godhood than the Tempe of Sacred Ashes is proof of the Maker.

It's as much proof as anything the chantry has had for thier beliefs in ages, which is to say theres not much to go on for ether. Sorry but when thier's so little truth in ether of these cases to dismiss one of them entirely because you believe in the maker is laughable

[kingsims]

Varric vs Sera = Varric wins everytime as choice of party member rouge, and hes stable. Plus he gets special dialogue in deep roads/ Thiags, Dwarf characters.

Elf Member Solas vs Sera = Solas wins everytime at least he gets special interactions with Dalish Tribes and other elves.

 

Sera got sidelined for the whole game.

[robertthebard]

Yet there is zero evidence to support andraste and the chantry, other than thier belief that coincidences are acts of the Maker. Don't say Urn of Sacred ashes, what a magical urn which was guarded by spirits that might just be "Demon Magic!" as well. Magical healing ashes hardly proves that any of the nonsense the chantry spews is truth.
 
But when some evidence is shown for even a bit of truth to the elvan pantheon she dismisses it entirely and doesn't want to consider it. Funny how most of the characters in the inquisition are andrastian but if you openly admit you don't believe in the maker, that your dalish and you follow your own gods almost no one seems to have a problem with that, except Sera!

Since when do established religions need proof? Faith is their proof. If something happened tomorrow, and we all found out that Catholics are making themselves into slaves for some Heaven Spirits, I'd laugh my ass off, especially after all the times I've been called a Satanist, or had people tell me that I'm doomed to Hell. No, I wouldn't be very tactful about it, why should I be? It's not like those people were being very tactful while trying to shove their religion down my throat. She believes in the Maker. She has seen what comes out of the Fade rifts, and she understands what demons are, basically. Probably very basically... So, when confronted with the reality that the Dalish had it wrong, all this time, hell yeah she thinks it's both funny, and that they're worshipping demons. After all, Andrastianism frowns on Slavery, in the South, anyway... So surely any "Gods" that kept mortal slaves must have been demons.

What truth was shown? That Mythal exists? Where is the proof that she's not a Fade Spirit like Justice? She stays on the physical plane in exactly the same way, possessing a mortal body. So point me to "The Elven Pantheon is Gods, not Fade Spirits/Demons". I never saw any, but maybe you got some cutscenes that I didn't? So far, the only thing that we've really been shown is that the Dalish had it wrong. The marks that supposedly made them superior to every other elf was truly a slave marking. That doesn't prove the Pantheon was full of Gods. It just proves that the Dalish had it wrong. Which is what Sera has believed all along, the ultimate confirmation? An Inquisitor that removes her markings.

[Heimdall]

It's as much proof as anything the chantry has had for thier beliefs in ages, which is to say theres not much to go on for ether. Sorry but when thier's so little truth in ether of these cases to dismiss one of them entirely because you believe in the maker is laughable

Let me rephrase: if Sera believes in the Maker she has no reason at all to question her belief in a single god just because some elves built a temple to an entity that may or may not be a demon.

[robertthebard]

It's as much proof as anything the chantry has had for thier beliefs in ages, which is to say theres not much to go on for ether. Sorry but when thier's so little truth in ether of these cases to dismiss one of them entirely because you believe in the maker is laughable

Why? You seem willing to dismiss the Maker because you've had "proof" of the Elven Pantheon, even if that proof doesn't verify that they're gods, just that they were, or are. They could just as easily be Fade spirits and/or demons, for all we have for "proof".

[Isaidlunch]

Even considering what that person had just done?

 

Yes, especially since she had a knife on her. I don't think anyone deserves to have their head caved in or whatever the hell Sera did to him.

[Dova]

Some of the funniest lines in a game I've ever heard - and much of her interactive dialogue if you play along with results in even more laughs.

Her "elven glory!" line if you're in a romance with Solas kills me in lols every time. 

[skotie]

Why? You seem willing to dismiss the Maker because you've had "proof" of the Elven Pantheon, even if that proof doesn't verify that they're gods, just that they were, or are. They could just as easily be Fade spirits and/or demons, for all we have for "proof".

I didn't dismiss anything, Sera did. I bring this up because thier is just as much proof for ether of them to be true. But can she even consider that SHE might have been the one who was wrong this entire time? Not a chance!

 

Also if she hates the Dalish because of a supeiorty complex she believes them to have against city elves, why hate and criticize elvan religion, does she question her belief in the maker even though those arrogent nobles also believe in the maker? Nope, not at all.

[Hair Serious Business]

To all people saying Sera is "New Jack" I don't get that part at all!Jack was too crazy and psychotic,enough crazy to even kill Shepard for no reason out of the act of her craziness...Sera is childish yes,she is pretty much like one big 5 year old trapped in body of adult woman...but "Jack Crazy"?Does Sera give you vibe as Jack that she would kill first person she sees simply because of boredom...because she loves seeing dead faces that ain't her own...because I don't know "Why the f*ck not?"?Does Sera give you any of these vibes?No.So how is she "New Jack" and "crazy-psycho" again?

Sera is crazy,irritating,annoying,"close-minded",rude(whatever else she is in your books)...but like every little kid also is,Sera is just too much immature.That is what kind of crazy Sera is.

[Steelcan]

Jack didn't kill Shepard.....

[Hazegurl]

"Cole: There are songs in every part of part of you, Sera. Soft, silly, sibilants sighing in silence, waiting for you to hear them.
Sera: Look, could you at least not stare past my eyes? Freakin creepy, that.
Cole: You're not your eyes, you live behind them.
Sera: That too! Don't do that! Creepy."

 

Yeah clearly he's a monster for asking her to do some self reflection

I wouldn't be surprised if Cole isn't called a misogynist before this thread is done. 

[Andres Hendrix]

She is a psychopath with no character development....

 

Sera is like Jack / Subject Zero with no character development or character arc...

Jack was not a psychopath though, as she could feel love and could empathize with others (her students, and Shepard)... The problem with Sera is, that she is grating on one's head, and she looks at everyhting like a monomaniac who can only judge from a lower class perspective, she never gets to what the late great C. Wright Mills called "the sociological imagination" where one can jump around from perspectives.

[Heimdall]

Yes, especially since she had a knife on her. I don't think anyone deserves to have their head caved in or whatever the hell Sera did to him.

He just killed one of her contacts right in front of her with all the casual disregard of exactly the type of noble the Sera hates the most, the type that thinks nothing of letting commoners suffer if it gets him what he wants. Then he has the nerve to suggests that it's her fault because his servants contacted her to do something about him in the first place.

My sympathy is near zero.

[Hair Serious Business]

Jack didn't kill Shepard.....

 

lol I never said she did.

I said she gave you vibe that she would kill Shepard for no reason,simply because she was bored.With this I stated that Jack is true psycho that enjoys violence,that enjoys chaos and she would gladly kill first person she sees just because of her lust for violence.Even when you became friends/lover with Jack she still gave you vibe that she would rather kick your a$$ rather then get all "touchy soft weak feelings"