2858 réponses à ce sujet

[Steelcan]

We do what we can to move towards what is right. That must be enough.

....right

[Ennai and 54 others]

Not exactly, think of it more as Sera frowning on racial and political separatism. Remember that she's actually very politically conservative, favoring an enforced status-quo that works closer to the *ideal* social compacts of Feudalism and Religious Hierarchy, ans she's not at all a revolutionary like Solas presumes she is in their banter.

In Sera's eyes, Elves wanting to be separate are a 'stupid idea' because there's already enough inequality in Thedas, she doesn't see the need for Elven separatism and superiority. The whole Dalish agenda pretty much pushes both the separate and superior angle.

You're projecting more intelligence and rationality on to her than she actually possesses.

[Heimdall]

We do what we can to move towards what is right. That must be enough.

But if you can do it peacefully without violently tearing society apart in the process, that's better and more reliable.

[Xilizhra]

Because she only complicates the equation and Sera sees her as a terrible hypocrite. To her, Briala is a noble that's used the shape of her ears to convince "little people" that she has something in common with them when she really doesn't.

I can see that, I admit, even if it's wrong.

 

 

....right

It's an irony indeed that Petrice has one of the best and most succinct quotes about morality.

 

 

But if you can do it peacefully without violently tearing society apart in the process, that's better.

Well, that's what Celene/Briala snuggles are for.

[Steelcan]

I wonder how Sera would react to knowing the full story behind Celene and Briala's relationship

[Heimdall]

Well, that's what Celene/Briala snuggles are for.

Fair enough

[XxPrincess(x)ThreatxX]

I like Sera.... & tbh, from what ive read on the forums, it seems alot hate her cos she dares not to change her beliefs for the Inquisitor's benefit, especially the Dalish Inquisitor. I don't see the huge deal, is not as if the likes of Solas or Vivienne have much character development either, Solas stays as the "all knowing elf" who sees you as foolish for distrusting spirits/demons & Vivienne uses her so called "beloved duke's" death as a opportunity to make the inquisition & herself more powerful at 1 point but they don't seem to get bashed as much for lacking "character development"

[keyip]

Yeah, there's a fair bit of "I wanna shove my beliefs down Sera's throat, why won't she accommodate me?" going around...

[Xilizhra]

I like Sera.... & tbh, from what ive read on the forums, it seems alot hate her cos she dares not to change her beliefs for the Inquisitor's benefit, especially the Dalish Inquisitor. I don't see the huge deal, is not as if the likes of Solas or Vivienne have much character development either, Solas stays as the "all knowing elf" who sees you as foolish for distrusting spirits/demons & Vivienne uses her so called "beloved duke's" death as a opportunity to make the inquisition & herself more powerful at 1 point but they don't seem to get bashed as much for lacking "character development"

Vivienne is absolutely vile and Solas has plenty of issues himself.

 

 

Yeah, there's a fair bit of "I wanna shove my beliefs down Sera's throat, why won't she accommodate me?" going around...

It's more "why does she call me an idiot for believing in that when she has no more proof of her own beliefs?"

[NugHugs]

Aside from Solas and Iron Bull, I find her incredibly annoying. But unlike them, I still prefer to take her out and about . . I almost hate her in a sisterly way, but she's still . . likeable? I just wish the game gave you a chance to influence her character. At the start of the game she's a immature brat and by the end of the game she's a confused immature brat. It feels like there was no character development.

 

Spoiler

Even with Leliana, your actions and dialogue with her will influence her character strongly, thus her possible reign as the new Divine Victoria, be it the ruthless Divine with blood running through the Grand Cathedral or the compassionate Divine who brings peace and acceptance to the chantry. 

[Hazegurl]

Yeah, there's a fair bit of "I wanna shove my beliefs down Sera's throat, why won't she accommodate me?" going around...

I see more "You just don't understand her!" here than anything else.  I personally don't get why people should like her. Everyone has their own opinions and perceptions of the companions. None is better than the other. No one is right about her.

 

It's perfectly fine to hate someone cause you just don't see eye to eye with them. IMO, Sera also did a lot of shoving her beliefs down a disapproving Inquisitor's throat as well. Judging by her offhanded insults of the Dalish I can understand a "Proud Dalish" Inquisitor not liking her. To my Human noble, Sera seemed almost desperate to dismiss Dalish Elves along with any beliefs they may have. It's like she wanted a high five when she remarked about how they must feel like ****** for living in the woods.  She can dismiss the Dalish if she likes, but I shook my head when she was practically begging my Inquisitor to not believe in Mythal. Ya know...cause it's just stupid.  lol!

 

I just pity that girl. I can understand her not wanting to be Dalish, but conforming to the majority (humans) aren't gonna net any rewards either.

[Walrider]

I like Sera.... & tbh, from what ive read on the forums, it seems alot hate her cos she dares not to change her beliefs for the Inquisitor's benefit, especially the Dalish Inquisitor. I don't see the huge deal, is not as if the likes of Solas or Vivienne have much character development either, Solas stays as the "all knowing elf" who sees you as foolish for distrusting spirits/demons & Vivienne uses her so called "beloved duke's" death as a opportunity to make the inquisition & herself more powerful at 1 point but they don't seem to get bashed as much for lacking "character development"

 

It likely has to do with the fact that while Solas and Vivienne can disagree with you, they still listen and debate your points.

 

Sera essentially sticks her fingers in her ears and calls you stupid for not wanting to hear what you have to say.

[Eloka]

I don't hate Sera, I just find her personality too much, she is an extrovert and likes to be in the limelight so her personality clashes with mine, I am an introvert and I find those kind of people very tiring and draining, especially when there is just no discussion, it's only her way, everyone else is wrong or an idiot, she is too black and white, not enough thinking about the bigger picture.

I have a friend like Sera, talking so fast you can't keep up, does things for attention, says things without thinking, doesn't worry about consequence. I am still her friend, but I need massive alone time to unclutter my mind after being with her. I much prefer quiet, calm personalities because I am constantly internally thinking and those extrovert personalities just push me into overload.

[MPSai]

I like Sera.... & tbh, from what ive read on the forums, it seems alot hate her cos she dares not to change her beliefs for the Inquisitor's benefit, especially the Dalish Inquisitor. I don't see the huge deal, is not as if the likes of Solas or Vivienne have much character development either, Solas stays as the "all knowing elf" who sees you as foolish for distrusting spirits/demons & Vivienne uses her so called "beloved duke's" death as a opportunity to make the inquisition & herself more powerful at 1 point but they don't seem to get bashed as much for lacking "character development"

 

It's not so much she won't change her beliefs, it's just her saying "hahaha you're stupid" followed by making fart noises at everything. That's pretty tedious. 

[DarkSpiral]

The only problem I have with that scenario was that Sera would have been somewhere around 10 at the time. It's not beyond the realm of possibility, but I just don't see it.

I could be misremembering, but didn't we here a giggle that sounded distinctly childlike when we passed the box along?

Mind you, I don't think that actually means it was Sera.  Just pointing out that we do hear something that could have been a child.

[robertthebard]

This doesn't help in the slightest, because, again, Celene and Gaspard are both worse. Briala is at least trying to help someone.
 
On a different note, I don't think Sera actually dismisses the Creators completely, but rather is only trying to tell herself that because she's spiritually weak enough that she can't take shocks to her system.
 
Nothing, however, excuses her disapproving of an elven Inquisitor trying to be an ambassador when she approves of a dwarf or qunari one doing so.

So that explains why all Christians condemn anyone non-Christian? It's being too spiritually weak to accept other paths. Trust me, as a practicing Pagan, this is the best news I've heard in almost 30 years. Seriously? This is probably the dumbest thing I've ever read on BSN, and really, that's saying a lot. How about the strength of her convictions? Maybe her faith in the Maker is greater than your trying to force feed her that she's the one that's wrong? Then she has the audacity to stick to her guns when you try to issue in an age of elfyness? The nerve of that girl. It's strange though, when my Elfy Inquisitor said she was going to stand as one of them, she approved.
 
 

Selective bigotry. It happens all the time, 'tis sad to see it in action.

It truly is.

[Steelcan]

It's because they can't shove something else down her throat. They're offended that she rejects the Inquisitor. Bruised male ego etc. 

 

 

lol

yes, we are so self centered and egotistical its impossible for us to like a character we can't bang

[robertthebard]

It likely has to do with the fact that while Solas and Vivienne can disagree with you, they still listen and debate your points.
 
Sera essentially sticks her fingers in her ears and calls you stupid for not wanting to hear what you have to say.

Yeah, I hated when my mom did that when we were discussing Pagans getting their religious symbols on their graves in Arlington. I wish these fiction writers would understand that this stuff never happens in real life. /sarcasm

[DarkSpiral]

So that explains why all Christians condemn anyone non-Christian? It's being too spiritually weak to accept other paths. Trust me, as a practicing Pagan, this is the best news I've heard in almost 30 years. Seriously? This is probably the dumbest thing I've ever read on BSN, and really, that's saying a lot.

 

For crying out loud, robert, take a breath.  Jumping from a person's take on why Sera lashes out when confronted with something like the Temple of Mythal to how real pagans are persecuted by Christians is in no way indicative of anything but your own frustrations.  Kindly leave real politics and real religion at the door, this isn't the place for them.

[robertthebard]

For crying out loud, robert, take a breath.  Jumping from a person's take on why Sera lashes out when confronted with something like the Temple of Mythal to how real pagans are persecuted by Christians is in no way indicative of anything but your own frustrations.  Kindly leave real politics and real religion at the door, this isn't the place for them.

Mine, and hers. The principle is exactly the same. I just happen to have an example I can pull from out here. The "But Sera should be able to change her mind because we now have proof" scenario? That doesn't float. What do we actually have proof of? That Mythal is the exact same type of being as Justice? That the Elves built a temple to said being? Beyond that, we have nothing concrete to even change my mind, and I'm pretty open minded about religion. A lot more open minded than some of the people in my circle of friends. From Sera's perspective, there's no proof that they are anything but demons. Unless you can show me something to the contrary? I mean, the Cult in the Hinterlands, with the Rift in the back of their stronghold? Both Solas and Viv will comment that they are worshipping the Rift. Is this proof of some new diety, or proof that people will worship anything that appears strong to them? This same scenario could be extrapolated to the Elven Pantheon. I'm sure that Fade spirits and demons, which, according to Solas aren't all that different, if you'll recall his first dialog in Haven, would appear strong to the Elves too. So again, what proof do we have that they aren't Spirits and Demons?

[byeshoe]

it's all preferences, sweet ole OP. me personally? I don't like sera because she just doesn't mesh well with me. as for my inquisitor she twitches whenever sera's not being understanding or reasonable xD she isn't too much personality wise, because i know what too much is. sera's the type to shoot first and ask questions later unless you tell her to stop. some people want to ask questions first before killing the only guy on the ship, but if you bring sera with you she'll kill him before the questioning and this will either a) make you pissed off and "WHY DID YOU DO THAT" or (b say goodjob sera but internally you're screaming "THAT WAS OUR ONLY LED"

some peeps love her, the others hate her. i tolerate her..even though she insults my inquisitor.

if sera's meant to be the jokester of the inquisition scout harding is outing her. she also has a much more likable personality and i feel that harding should replace sera's position. heh..
 

I don't hate Sera, I just find her personality too much, she is an extrovert and likes to be in the limelight so her personality clashes with mine, I am an introvert and I find those kind of people very tiring and draining, especially when there is just no discussion, it's only her way, everyone else is wrong or an idiot, she is too black and white, not enough thinking about the bigger picture.

I have a friend like Sera, talking so fast you can't keep up, does things for attention, says things without thinking, doesn't worry about consequence. I am still her friend, but I need massive alone time to unclutter my mind after being with her. I much prefer quiet, calm personalities because I am constantly internally thinking and those extrovert personalities just push me into overload.

hey you, you i like

Spoiler

[jsachun]

She is a leso, whats more to say? Most men take flat rejections the wrong way.

[Hazegurl]

Mine, and hers. The principle is exactly the same. I just happen to have an example I can pull from out here. The "But Sera should be able to change her mind because we now have proof" scenario? That doesn't float. What do we actually have proof of? That Mythal is the exact same type of being as Justice? That the Elves built a temple to said being? Beyond that, we have nothing concrete to even change my mind, and I'm pretty open minded about religion. A lot more open minded than some of the people in my circle of friends. From Sera's perspective, there's no proof that they are anything but demons. Unless you can show me something to the contrary? I mean, the Cult in the Hinterlands, with the Rift in the back of their stronghold? Both Solas and Viv will comment that they are worshipping the Rift. Is this proof of some new diety, or proof that people will worship anything that appears strong to them? This same scenario could be extrapolated to the Elven Pantheon. I'm sure that Fade spirits and demons, which, according to Solas aren't all that different, if you'll recall his first dialog in Haven, would appear strong to the Elves too. So again, what proof do we have that they aren't Spirits and Demons?

The same can be said of Andraste, the Maker, et al. They could all be a pact of spirits and demons.  When you first meet her, she claims she wants to know if the Herald of Andraste stuff is real. Turns out it isn't. Does she question it further? nope. But hey at least she got one up on those "silly" Dalish Elves.

 

My Inquisitor was a nonbeliever, yet he still questioned whether there was some truth to the elven "gods" it didn't make him a believer, but it was worth noting, they could be gods or just spirits and demons. Sera just shoves her head in sand and go "it's stupid because I believe in the Maker not in the crap those losers believe in, stop talking!" her behavior contradicts her claim to want to learn the truth. Heck she can't even fathom there not being any truth. The maker is real no matter what and she just wants a cosigning of that "fact" I can understand her saying "There is no real proof to this Mythal being a God." but instead she states with 100% fact that it isn't real and based only in her belief in the Maker.  Well, IMO I would think a bunch of Ancient Elves would give her pause to at least consider some truth behind the claims that Elves had longer lifespans and thus look into the possibly that the belief in this Mythal is just as "tangible" as the belief in the Maker. But that is asking too much of her, I know.

[Xilizhra]

So that explains why all Christians condemn anyone non-Christian? It's being too spiritually weak to accept other paths. Trust me, as a practicing Pagan, this is the best news I've heard in almost 30 years. Seriously? This is probably the dumbest thing I've ever read on BSN, and really, that's saying a lot. How about the strength of her convictions? Maybe her faith in the Maker is greater than your trying to force feed her that she's the one that's wrong? Then she has the audacity to stick to her guns when you try to issue in an age of elfyness? The nerve of that girl. It's strange though, when my Elfy Inquisitor said she was going to stand as one of them, she approved.

Those who become flustered and afraid at the suggestion of those who follow other paths--those who demand that all confirm to their narrow view of spirituality--those are weak, yes. My Inquisitor has never explicitly denied the existence of the Maker, but has also not rejected the Creators.

 

And "as one of them?"