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[KaiserShep]

She is a leso, whats more to say? Most men take flat rejections the wrong way.

[Walrider]

Yeah, I hated when my mom did that when we were discussing Pagans getting their religious symbols on their graves in Arlington. I wish these fiction writers would understand that this stuff never happens in real life. /sarcasm

 

Wat.

 

What the **** are you ranting at me for?

 

I provided a reason as to why some people didn't like Sera; her inability to see other peoples' points of views, let alone in a mature light.

 

I have no idea what that has to do with your pagan analogy, man.

[Hellion Rex]

I personally didn't like Sera at all. Her attitude about some subjects just really bugged me. Her laugh was hilarious though.

[PrinceLionheart]

She is a leso, whats more to say? Most men take flat rejections the wrong way.

 

Samantha Traynor was one of the more popular side characters in ME3 and she was a lesbian. If anything, Sera would be getting more hatred if she were a romance option for Guys because suddenly they'd be complaining more about how she's "ugly and annoying."

[Navasha]

It boils down to one simple thing:   There is nothing attractive or likeable about rude and crude.   Arrogance is also not attractive, nor is ignorance.   Sera seems to embody all of these qualities.  

[DarkSpiral]

Mine, and hers. The principle is exactly the same. I just happen to have an example I can pull from out here. The "But Sera should be able to change her mind because we now have proof" scenario? That doesn't float. What do we actually have proof of? That Mythal is the exact same type of being as Justice? That the Elves built a temple to said being? Beyond that, we have nothing concrete to even change my mind, and I'm pretty open minded about religion. A lot more open minded than some of the people in my circle of friends. From Sera's perspective, there's no proof that they are anything but demons. Unless you can show me something to the contrary? I mean, the Cult in the Hinterlands, with the Rift in the back of their stronghold? Both Solas and Viv will comment that they are worshipping the Rift. Is this proof of some new diety, or proof that people will worship anything that appears strong to them? This same scenario could be extrapolated to the Elven Pantheon. I'm sure that Fade spirits and demons, which, according to Solas aren't all that different, if you'll recall his first dialog in Haven, would appear strong to the Elves too. So again, what proof do we have that they aren't Spirits and Demons?

 

We don't, which is good, and that had NOTHING to do with my point.  You raged out at the poster you responded to, not about Sera, but about yourself and your real-world religious beliefs.  That was the entire point of my post.  If that isn't what you intended, it certainly sounded like it, and so did your post after that.  Sera isn't pagan or a Christian, nor is she an analog to either.  Real world politics and religions get threads shut down.

[Sjofn]

However she's also suffering from some serious existential dread. In the Fade her biggest fear is "The Nothing". 

 

This was the moment she went from "super immature, super annoying, I cannot STAND this character" to "oh my sweet child I totally understand you, let me give you a hug." I still think she's super immature and at times super annoying, and no offense to her voice actress but 90% of the time I do not like the act of listening to her speak. But I get a lot of her crazy anxiety about the Herald and all the elfy nonsense, and have grown fond of her because of it.

 

 

(edit: it also helped that she didn't hold Blackwall's ... stuff against him. Given my Inquisitor hadn't, it was nice to have at least one other person in the party who didn't either. )

[Vyndral]

It boils down to one simple thing:   There is nothing attractive or likeable about rude and crude.   Arrogance is also not attractive, nor is ignorance.   Sera seems to embody all of these qualities.

So no one likes Dorian either? While not rude or crude his Ultra Arrogance is off the charts. I guess no one likes the Dalish either, turns out they are Arrogant, ignorant, and rude to outsiders. strange that they are a playable race when no one should like them.

[NugHugs]

It likely has to do with the fact that while Solas and Vivienne can disagree with you, they still listen and debate your points.

 

Sera essentially sticks her fingers in her ears and calls you stupid for not wanting to hear what you have to say.

 

That's a good point. It's like trying to have a conversation with a 10 year old or a brick wall at times. Though, sometimes she almost sounds an adult, normally that's followed up by some childish action or comment.

[KainD]

It boils down to one simple thing:   There is nothing attractive or likeable about rude and crude.

 

 

Depends.

[Kittn]

For me it's just a personality clash. I actually appreciate the way she sees the world and some of the pranks were entertaining, but she could stand to be less of an obnoxious brat about everything. I'm sure she views my inquisitors in the same light though, given how often I see "Sera disapproves".  I am even actually trying to sort of get along with her this playthrough, too.

 

It is not going well.

[KaiserShep]

It boils down to one simple thing:   There is nothing attractive or likeable about rude and crude.   Arrogance is also not attractive, nor is ignorance.   Sera seems to embody all of these qualities.  

 

I'll grant ignorance, but things like arrogance, rudeness and crudeness can really vary greatly, as can our interpretation of it. Dorian is a good example. I greatly enjoy his character, because despite being full of himself, his disposition seems to be good-natured enough that I can't help but let it slide. It's more of an "I'm proud of myself all the time" rather than a "I'm better than everyone" attitude, if that makes any sense.

 

But anyway, this is clearly a total clash of personalities. Personally, I generally don't give a nug's uncle about people's bracing personalities unless there's malicious intent behind their motivations, so that's probably why I find myself more amused than annoyed. There's definitely an overabundance of forthrightness that can be really rub people the wrong way, but it just seemed refreshing to me. Like, finally, a pain in the ass character who puts all the cards on the table with seemingly no ulterior motive. As much as I was annoyed by some of the things Sera did or said, I was way more annoyed by Isabela's reveal that she knew about the Tome all along (don't want to drag out the this vs that discussion but I figured I'd throw it out there). There are definitely instances in this game where she annoys me, but then, people annoy the hell out of me in real life too, especially my loved ones XD

[Dean_the_Young]

You can't act as if society is postracial when it's not. Sera tries, but that just makes you ignorant in a different way and puts the cart before the horse.

 

 

Sure you can. Just because society is racist or homophobic or whatever other flaws it may have doesn't mean you have to be. To argue otherwise is to deny the individual's right to freedom of conscience and to be defined by their own views and not society.

 

In fact, the insinuation that you 'can't' do that is what puts the cart before the horse: societies become increasingly post-racial as the people they are composed of become post-racial. A society, by definition as the aggregate of its composition, can not be post-racial before it's component population. Post-racial people create post-racial societies, not the other way around.

 

Being born in a racist society certainly don't have to buy into other peoples identity politics and personal crusades just because they perceive you as being a part of their target audience. That doesn't make a person ignorant in a different way- unless you truly wish to argue an incredibly paternalistic viewpoint that people are and should be defined by whatever identity label you wish to slap on them, and be expected to follow whoever sets themselves up as the patron of that group's 'interests.'

 

 

 

Also, Celene and Gaspard do everything bad that Briala does, except moreso and harder (especially Gaspard, who started the war to begin with), yet Sera doesn't disapprove of helping them. That, and the fact that she only disapproves of an Inquisitor who wants to make a good example for elvenkind (when she approves of a dwarf or qunari Inquisitor playing racial politics) are two things that make me suspect that she's actually racist instead of just failing to be postracial.

 

 

 

Huzahwaht? Sera doesn't trust any of them.

 

That Briala is hardly a good example for elvenkind unless you already agree with her is a separate point.

[Dean_the_Young]

....

 

It's stated in game that he is a spirit of compassion multiple times. This isn't my opinion. He's naive and confused. He may be unwelcome but he is certainly well meaning. Also, can we please stop throwing around inflammatory words like 'rape', please.

 

Do you have a better word for 'unwanted and uninvited violation of personal self and thoughts despite repeated denials to fulfill the perpetrator's obsessive needs' than 'mind rape?' Maybe 'mental molestation'?

 

I mean, last I checked being naive and confused and well-meaning didn't make any other sort of molestation alright.

 

[Dean_the_Young]

He

 

cannot

 

stop

 

hearing

 

so instead he should lock himself in a room where he can't help other people.  When a spirit is turned from its original purpose, it becomes a demon.  We see this when Solas's friend the spirit of wisdom is forced to fight and morphs into a pride demon.  That would happen to Cole if you stopped him from helping.  Then he'd go from "well intended person who cannot control his desire or ability to help people" to "murderous rampaging psychopath"

 

If Cole is incapable of not constantly violating consent, trying to argue that should be tolerated or else he'll be a 'murderous rampaging psychopath' is simply blackmail, not a defense. And if he's doing things that people don't want and causing them grief, he can already be called a demon.

 

The Andrastian distinction between Demons and Spirits is based on effect, not composition. Solas's analysis of spirits, while exemplary and worthy of commendation, doesn't change that. Cole's intent does not change that.

[ORTesc]

She is a leso, whats more to say? Most men take flat rejections the wrong way.

 

And who are you to speak for "most men"? Honestly, if you have a problem with rejection, you haven't been rejected enough. You're supposed to develop a thick skin to that kinda thing by the time you're like 16... though, for some reason, "most men" don't understand that it's possible to "just be friends" with someone of the opposite gender without it resulting in sex.

[Dean_the_Young]

Those who become flustered and afraid at the suggestion of those who follow other paths--those who demand that all confirm to their narrow view of spirituality--those are weak, yes.

 

Coming from someone who has previously admitted to knowingly creating impassible barriers to people who challenge personal beliefs, who has advocated for tolitatarian brainwashing regimes targeting of dissidents and even proposed genocide of political-military opposition groups...

 

Pot, meet kettle. You're black.

[KaiserShep]

Do you have a better word for 'unwanted and uninvited violation of personal self and thoughts despite repeated denials to fulfill the perpetrator's obsessive needs' than 'mind rape?' Maybe 'mental molestation'?

 

I mean, last I checked being naive and confused and well-meaning didn't make any other sort of molestation alright.

I prefer cognitive penetration. It sounds thinky.

[KaiserShep]

There's no rule that says it can't be both.

[CardinalSin90]

I feel Sera is hard to get along with. But dont hate her as such in fact I think her rebellious nature and pranks makes the whole thing more livelier

[Aesir26]

She is a leso, whats more to say? Most men take flat rejections the wrong way.

 

I'm really not sure if you're serious or not and I really hope you aren't.

 

If you are serious then I was never aware that I was a man. All this time I thought I was a straight female who just found a character to be well written but severely annoying.

[Rawgrim]

I just find her annoying. Don't hate her.

[Zeroth Angel]

She is a leso, whats more to say? Most men take flat rejections the wrong way.

 

It's because they can't shove something else down her throat. They're offended that she rejects the Inquisitor. Bruised male ego etc. 

 

 

lol

Don't be ridiculous. She could be bisexual or even heterosexual and I wouldn't want to start a romance with her (not even flirt for that matter) nor would I magically start liking a character I don't like.