2858 réponses à ce sujet

[KaiserShep]

Surprise mind sex. Without consent, and with some mind-wiping afterwords for good measure.
 

See when you put it like that it just makes Cole look like a creepy bastard.

[PrinceLionheart]

One, possible/potential, Double Standard I will admit is that Sera is essentially a Female Oghren, only replacing his drunkenness with just immaturity. So I can't really see how a person could give one a free pass while bashing the other.

[Daemul]

She is a leso, whats more to say? Most men take flat rejections the wrong way.

 

Dafuq is this?

 

You do realise that the vast majority of men find the idea of lesbians a major turn on right? Even if they are plain average their overall attractiveness gets boosted because they are seen as forbidden fruit, something guys want but cannot have. By virtue of being a lesbian Sera will have massive male following, guys will play as female Inquisitor just to get with her. 

[Lucky Thirteen]

One, possible/potential, Double Standard I will admit is that Sera is essentially a Female Oghren, only replacing his drunkenness with just immaturity. So I can't really see how a person could give one a free pass while bashing the other.

 

It's funny, I saw a comment earlier in the thread where a person said that arrogance and rudeness is just unlikable. Then I thought about all the extremely popular male characters that fall under that. Zevran, Dorian, Oghren, 

 

Really the problem is her gender combined with behaviors people think women should never have. Humble, polite, soft and quiet are much more desirable traits in women, while men like this are perceived as weak.

[Porenferser]

Because she is a disgusting, self-righteous ****** who never sees anything as her fault and who is racist towards her own people maybe?

Also, her sense of humour is nothing but dumb, her laugh is annoying and her accent too.

Plus, she is UGLY as hell.

 

Literally nothing redeeming about this joke of a character.

Even my nice Inquisitor got fed up with her crap after her personal quest and kicked her out.

[Heimdall]

who is racist towards her own people

She isn't

[Opag Zirsk]

The arrogance of the Dalish speaks for itself. I wouldn't ever want to see my main character (pictured somewhere to the left) considered too "elfy" by Sera's standards. It's not a racial trait, it's a cultural trait. And it's a cultural trait brought about by several misconceptions that the elves have about their own history due to.....elfyness? I don't want to say ignorance, but the losing side in history is usually better informed than the Dalish. Yeah, I'm a bit frustrated that she doesn't identify as an elf, but I can't blame her for it. She was raised that way, and has valid points even disregarding that fact.

[robertthebard]

She isn't

The thing about people with delusions is that you can't point them out to them. They'll never see it, and they can never comprehend that they're wrong. All it does is wind up in a mini flamewar, and then you get a board warning, or a 24 hour ban, ask me how I know. It's better to nod and smile, and know they have no idea what the word means, they hear it thrown around, and know that the race card is "untrumpable", because no matter what anyone says in response to it, they're racist.

[Nathair Nimheil]

Except Whedon characters, including the archetypical ones, get huge amounts of character development, even if they're always the same in their essence

When you (and everyone else demanding that Sera change more during the story) are talking about character development you should really be talking about dynamic characters vs static characters.

 

Dynamic characters change during the story: Darth Vader, Ebeneezer Scrooge, Harry Potter, Elizabeth Bennet.

 

Static characters do not change during the story: Indiana Jones, Tom Sawyer, Sherlock Homes, Tybalt.

 

Claiming that Sera is a bad character just because she is a static character is nonsensical.

[Henriks]

For me she was kinda boring. For me it was easily the most unidimensional Bioware character ever created. It was impossible to have a normal conversation with her. She was not even funny. I decided that I would not bringing her with me in the missions, because it was really annoying to hear her boring dialogues lines before a battle. Bioware missed a great opportunity here.

[Hazegurl]

With no more than we got, if someone's faith is strong either way, is it really enough to expect people to pack it in and switch teams? I didn't get enough, I'm sure some people probably did, but one of them wasn't Sera.

Questioning the existence of Elven Gods isn't the same as switching teams, it's called thinking.  The problem with most people including Sera is that just thinking about it is considered some sort of treason of "faith" so they would prefer blind loyalty to preexisting thought.

[KaiserShep]

Because she is a disgusting, self-righteous ****** who never sees anything as her fault and who is racist towards her own people maybe?

 

I suppose that's just it. Sera doesn't consider them to be any more her people than anyone else, regardless of sharing a common lineage. If, say, a human Inquisitor were to push the idea of "humans first", Sera would have the same issue with her/him as well for exact same reason she has issues with the elves. Basically, she doesn't care about species/race whatever. Their heritage and history are simply of no interest to her, and what makes this story interesting is that much of the history turned out to be wrong after all.

[Porenferser]

She isn't

Oh yeah sure. So forcing your Elven Inquisitor to effectively drop her culture if she wants to stay with her, constantly insulting and making fun of said culture and even disapproving when helping City Elves (despite her supposedly fighting for the little people) isn't racist?

 

Not to talk about that even without ignoring this, there would be still more than enough things to hate her for.

[JoltDealer]

She feels like a teenager who thinks its okay to be or act crazy because she thinks she's the only one with issues like hers.  There's a twinge of implied ignorance that goes with it, because she has to constantly reassure herself that she's right and everyone else is wrong, or else she will see her entire personality and subsequent behavior for what it truly is.  She doesn't want to admit she's wrong because then she realizes all the bad that she's done over the years may not have been as justified as she once believed.  It as unpleasant thought.

 

Is she an interesting character?  Maybe.  Bottom line is, some people have either walked that road themselves or know someone who has.  It's not something that's nice to be reminded of.

[KaiserShep]

Unless I'm mistaken, helping the city elves in this game goes hand in hand with helping Briala, which is where the problem lies. She considers Briala to be a scummy climber that is just as willing to sacrifice a few of those same people she'd claim to be helping, since she has personal ambitions that go beyond what she may consider to be her people. Like, would Sera have disapproved of helping, say, Shianni, who isn't a liar who uses the people she claims to be helping?

[Sasie]

Unless I'm mistaken, helping the city elves in this game goes hand in hand with helping Briala, which is where the problem lies. She considers Briala to be a scummy climber that is just as willing to sacrifice a few of those same people she'd claim to be helping, since she has personal ambitions that go beyond what she may consider to be her people. Like, would Sera have disapproved of helping, say, Shianni, who isn't a liar who uses the people she claims to be helping?

Briala is more or less as manipulative as the nobles and I don't blame Sera for having issues with her. The problem is that she has issues only if Briala wins the war so to speak. If the Inquisitor support Gaspard in his bid of the throne she approves and Gaspard is no friend at all of the common people. So why does she get annoyed about one and not the other? 

It appears she dislike elven 'nobles' more then human ones and that has to be a grudge against elves or racism. That or Bioware couldn't make a game where Sera disapproved of a choice no matter what but I find that excuse weak.

[Efvie]

 racist towards her own people maybe?

 

More racist than thinking she should like, and be like, 'her own people'?

[Efvie]

Sera is wonderful.

 

…

 

There’s a recurrent theme among the dislikes. I suppose as great, important heroes we’re hell-bent on making a difference; so much so that if a character doesn’t display some kind of a ‘character development’ in response to what we—the great, important hero—do, and especially if we can’t influence their opinions, there’s something wrong with the character.

 

Not that that’s true to begin with. She mellows a little bit.

[steamcamel]

[Heimdall]

Oh yeah sure. So forcing your Elven Inquisitor to effectively drop her culture if she wants to stay with her, constantly insulting and making fun of said culture and even disapproving when helping City Elves (despite her supposedly fighting for the little people) isn't racist?
 
Not to talk about that even without ignoring this, there would be still more than enough things to hate her for.

She doesn't like the Dalish. The Dalish is a cultural group, not a racial one, a cultural group that patronizes city elves like her at best and spits on them at worst. She has plenty of reason not to like them.

When does she do that? If you mean disapproving of Briala, that's because she thinks Briala is a hypocrite and a fraud. Not because she hates city elves. Sera isn't racist, actually she prefers to eschew racial politicals altogether. That's why she sees Briala as a noble. She was lover to an empress and played the nobles' game, no doubt sacrificing plenty of pawns in the process. Sera isn't going to like her now just because she's going around saying: "But really we're the same, look at my ears!"

[Porenferser]

More racist than thinking she should like, and be like, 'her own people'?

It's a difference to be like Dorian and say *I don't agree with many of my countrymen because lust for power and blood magic is bad* or to be like Sera and say *Hehehe, I hate Dalish because they are stupid, hehehe*

[KaiserShep]

"Maker, where did my pointy ears and sense of self-righteousness go?"

 

~Hawke

[Heimdall]

Briala is more or less as manipulative as the nobles and I don't blame Sera for having issues with her. The problem is that she has issues only if Briala wins the war so to speak. If the Inquisitor support Gaspard in his bid of the throne she approves and Gaspard is no friend at all of the common people. So why does she get annoyed about one and not the other? 
It appears she dislike elven 'nobles' more then human ones and that has to be a grudge against elves or racism. That or Bioware couldn't make a game where Sera disapproved of a choice no matter what but I find that excuse weak.

Her issue with Briala in particular isn't that she's an elf, not exactly.

She sees Briala as a deceptive hypocrite, manipulating the "little people" into believing they have something in common based on the shape of her ears. At least the human nobles don't pretend they're the same.

As for approving of Gaspard, she also approves of Celene. I'm pretty sure she's just happy to have a butt on the throne because that will end the Civil War.

[Meraxes]

I don't hate her, or even really dislike her, but she is extremely immature, confusing and at times aggravating. 

 

Mostly I'm just pressed that she insults you if you disagree with her.

[Nerdage]

She called my dalish mage "stupid" for wanting to know the truth about elven history.

 

I liked her up to that point - the roof scene was really sweet and really made me smile - but that out-of-the-blue aggression for something as innocuous and, for most reasonable people, understandable, just made me nope away from talking to her again, like it would IRL.

 

"Hate" is far too strong a word for it, it's not like she looked straight down the camera and insulted me personally, but I was a bit taken aback by how angry she got at a supposed friend just for speaking their mind; when that's directed at my character, it obviously doesn't endear her to me.

 

I'll probably play a character in future who doesn't push her "elf" buttons and like her more for it afterwards, but for now I could take her or leave her.