She didn't.
You expressed your position. She argued her position. The two were not reconcilable and neither of you would recant. She felt it was a fundamental incompatibility and she left you. At no point did she say anything remotely like "Change your religion right now or else I'll leave you!"
Yes she does. She says "say that everything that happened at the temple--i.e. the evidence of the Creators--was bullshit or I'll leave you."
Yes she does. She says "say that everything that happened at the temple--i.e. the evidence of the Creators--was bullshit or I'll leave you."
OK, got a link for that?
I'm sure I can help, which words in particular are you having trouble understanding?
its not the diction I have trouble with
Good to know. which individual words then? Or did my recap here clear it up for you?
It's the thought behind the words I have trouble with.
I don't exactly see a lot of people clamoring to turn Sera into anything like you described
OK, got a link for that?
"You'd really end our relationship over what I think of some ruins?" indeed.
OK, got a link for that?
Heh. Ninja'd.
It's the thought behind the words I have trouble with.
I don't exactly see a lot of people clamoring to turn Sera into anything like you described
No, you don't and that was my point. Instead you hear people complaining that Sera didn't change during the story. When pressed, they offer the idea that all good characters change during a story but that Sera didn't. However since many excellent and beloved characters are static characters and since Sera does, in fact, undergo some growth during the story neither of those rationalizations make any sense, hence my observation.
So she sort-of does. I stand sort of corrected. I don't see how anyone could call possibly characterize that as "demanding" rather than "pleading" but yes, plead she does. Personally I think that makes her even more sympathetic and the resulting break-up even more poignant but obviously you don't agree."You'd really end our relationship over what I think of some ruins?" indeed.
So she sort-of does. I stand sort of corrected. I don't see how anyone could call possibly characterize that as "demanding" rather than "pleading" but yes, plead she does. Personally I think that makes her even more sympathetic and the resulting break-up even more poignant but obviously you don't agree.
It's poignant as hell, but solely because of Sera's deep-seated psychological issues that I nonsensically can't do anything to address. I really really wish that I could, because I want to somehow get her to understand that my belief in the Creators has nothing to do with her, any demands I'd hypothetically make of her (which I haven't, at all), or even the Maker. She's conjuring a problem out of nowhere because of problems already in her.
"You'd really end our relationship over what I think of some ruins?" indeed.
I'd never seen that video before. That's....kind of a disturbing ultimatum she gives you, isn't it? And all of that was in response to the Inquisitor saying that maybe it wasn't all lies, not that they full-on believed it. They can't even start to think that maybe it's worth thinking about or Sera will end it.
I hope whoever continued the relationship past that point roleplayed their elf as really going against Dalish religion and culture. Because pretending will do no good for either the Inquisitor or Sera in the long run.
It's poignant as hell, but solely because of Sera's deep-seated psychological issues that I nonsensically can't do anything to address. I really really wish that I could, because I want to somehow get her to understand that my belief in the Creators has nothing to do with her, any demands I'd hypothetically make of her (which I haven't, at all), or even the Maker. She's conjuring a problem out of nowhere because of problems already in her.
I really don't know how anyone can defend Sera after that scene. Her lack of lack of respect and emotional manipulation towards her partner is appalling.
"You'd really end our relationship over what I think of some ruins?" indeed.
.... Wow and here I was thinking Sera couldn't get any worse.
That's quite a sad way, and not in the emotional thrilling sad either, of ending it.
Are we going to stay silent on the Inquisitor's hair style?
It's a greater crime than the romance bit
Are we going to stay silent on the Inquisitor's hair style?
It's a greater crime than the romance bit
I think everyone has established that the hairstyles that you can pick are horrendous. There are only a couple "ok" ones.
I don't agree with this interpretation. From Sera's POV you have hitched your wagon to a living-in-the-past, professional-victim racist ideology. She will not intimately involve herself with someone who embraces something that she finds so fundamentally repugnant. You have chosen to embrace the exact polar opposite of her (repeatedly expressed) life stance. She says "Some things don't fit" and she's right. This is a very real conflict for her. That it's not an issue for you and that you therefore just dismiss it just makes it that much worse.It's poignant as hell, but solely because of Sera's deep-seated psychological issues that I nonsensically can't do anything to address. I really really wish that I could, because I want to somehow get her to understand that my belief in the Creators has nothing to do with her, any demands I'd hypothetically make of her (which I haven't, at all), or even the Maker. She's conjuring a problem out of nowhere because of problems already in her.
I don't agree with this interpretation. From Sera's POV you have hitched your wagon to a living-in-the-past, professional-victim racist ideology. She will not intimately involve herself with someone who embraces something that she finds so fundamentally repugnant. You have chosen to embrace the exact polar opposite of her (repeatedly expressed) life stance. She says "Some things don't fit" and she's right. This is a very real conflict for her. That it's not an issue for you and that you therefore just dismiss it just makes it that much worse.
I don't agree with this interpretation. From Sera's POV you have hitched your wagon to a living-in-the-past, professional-victim racist ideology. She will not intimately involve herself with someone who embraces something that she finds so fundamentally repugnant. You have chosen to embrace the exact polar opposite of her (repeatedly expressed) life stance. She says "Some things don't fit" and she's right. This is a very real conflict for her. That it's not an issue for you and that you therefore just dismiss it just makes it that much worse.
But that's crap. I've never advocated that all we should do is zip around in aravels and ignore all humans. I'm here in the Inquisition trying to make a difference for the world. I want to reconcile Dalish and Andrastian cultures. Heaven is big enough for everyone's gods. It seems she'd rather be the one living in the past if she wants to deny any attempt at interfaith dialogue. How is merely saying that what happened in the temple might have been true suddenly turning into a hardcore racist isolationist?
Also, believing in the Creators wasn't a dealbreaker before now.
Oh dear, poor little street urchin and a want a be human. Sorry, but I find Sera to be only a reasonable comic relief at times... but essentially one seriously broken individual.
Sera is one of my favorite character because she doesn't judge just by what she sees. Yes she could be said iconoclast... and she has a "tempest" demeanor and character but she has a good inner heart. She cares a lot for the people she loves and she is a person who was abandoned, deeply wounded... She is not a pure andrastrian, she doesn't trully follow any religion but I don't think she is a bad person. And can you force anyone to believe in any god? Saying I don't believe this person has a god within... Don't you think it is not human ? You don't necessarily believe that/
"Hi, darling. I've decided to worship demons. You are okay with that, right?"
"No."
I'm not sure that qualifies as intolerance. If you aren't in a relationship, she just says "fine, whatever, we'll just agree to disagree. Let's deal with Corypheus." She's fine with leaving you to yourself if that's what you want. She's not fine with having a relationship with someone who thinks her faith is a lie.
Because you do realize that she's right, don't you? There's no way the Creators can be "Divine" and the faith of the Maker be true. If you say that worshiping a fade spirit is cool, you inherently saying that the Maker's faith is false.
Now I can see how the dialogue there could be intended to be more equivocal in the player's mind, but its pretty clear that its written as if the inquisitor is saying "what if Mythal really is a god?" rather than just "obviously there was something there and maybe it wasn't a demon, even if it wasn't a god." I know I was a bit caught off guard by that interpretation of the line when I played it.
"Hi, darling. I've decided to worship demons. You are okay with that, right?"
"No."
I'm not sure that qualifies as intolerance. If you aren't in a relationship, she just says "fine, whatever, we'll just agree to disagree. Let's deal with Corypheus." She's fine with leaving you to yourself if that's what you want. She's not fine with having a relationship with someone who thinks her faith is a lie.
Because you do realize that she's right, don't you? There's no way the Creators can be "Divine" and the faith of the Maker be true. If you say that worshiping a fade spirit is cool, you inherently saying that the Maker's faith is false.
Now I can see how the dialogue there could be intended to be more equivocal in the player's mind, but its pretty clear that its written as if the inquisitor is saying "what if Mythal really is a god?" rather than just "obviously there was something there and maybe it wasn't a demon, even if it wasn't a god." I know I was a bit caught off guard by that interpretation of the line when I played it.
But is fine with seeing my faith as a lie? And therein we might find hypocrisy.
And what I'd be saying is that the Chant of Light got some things wrong, as the Dalish got some things wrong. It seems fair to me.
And why does no one else break up with the Inquisitor over this, including Cassandra?
Few things are more hated by BSN than companions who disagree with their player characters.
Few things are more hated by BSN than companions who disagree with their player characters.
that depends
some who disagree are also fairly popular. Javik comes to mind for ME and Loghain for DA, well he may not be as popular, but he certainly has his fans
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