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[Hazegurl]

Now that I'm on my second playthrough, which is more about rpg than my first run which was rpg mixed with "player who wants to experience lots of content" I made the decision to boot Sera out of the Inquisition. I felt guilty for doing it but it had to be done. I don't hate Sera, but I don't love her either. I pity her cause she's ignorant and have no desire to learn. She's scared of mages yet following a mage, she hates nobles yet she's following a noble. Not once does she seem to question herself. When she bashed that noble's face in while I was talking to him, I was done with her but kept her for content only.

 

All she sees is red whenever there is something around she doesn't like or understand.  She shuts her brain off and closes her eyes and demands everyone else do the same. And I know it's easy to write her off as a frightened person with walls et al but that can't be her excuse her whole life, she's an adult and needs to take responsibility for her own actions and try to understand others beyond the bowl she lives in. But she won't do that cause she's never wrong about anything.  When she pulled that arrow on me in my first playthrough, I instantly regretted keeping her around. It's like she keeps giving me reasons to let her go. Yeah we did some pranks et al but still. It wasn't enough to wash away an arrow pointed at my face and past veiled threats.

 

This time around I got the noble recruited but then she calls me a "shitbag" lol! I wasn't mad at her, not totally but from my Inquisitor's pov, she undermined his authority in front of potential partner. A weak one at the moment but who knows.  Naturally, I chewed her out for it in private and then she escalates to threats. Of course my Quizzy hardly took her seriously but she still had to hit the road. It certainly didn't help that she threatens him again before leaving. Yeah she was just hurt and I could see that and understand it, but it's just another thing she just doesn't get. I booted her after her threat, then she does it again in the same convo. lol!!

 

So yeah I sent her packing cause my quizzy knows there is no way anyone is going to respect you if you let your own people walk all over you. Goodbye Sera. 

 

Btw, does anyone know where I can read "Sera's Expulsion"? It was on the loading screen then it switched to the black loading screen. It talks about the day Sera was escorted from skyhold.

[Ceoldoren]

She doesn't hate mages. She just doesn't trust magic. Who can blame her? Most of Thedas agrees with her.

No, she seems to pretty much hate mages. Any choice that entails not being a closed minded jackass when it comes to mages and magic nets disapproval.

[Ceoldoren]

Except the Dalish aren't her people. Yeah, her view of Mages is misguided and wrong but, I understand why she feels that way furthermore as much as Cass wants to make the Chantry and Mages Circle a positive thing it's still forced inprisonment a gilded cage is still a cage.

At least Cass respects mages. 

[NWN-Ming-Ming]

I'm playing a mage, and Sera is besties with me with some good honest conversations.  We don't have to agree, but she knows where I stand and I know where she stands.  I honestly dunno where people are getting some of their anti-Sera crap from cause it seems they are playing a whole different game from the one I am playing.

[Ceoldoren]

I'm playing a mage, and Sera is besties with me with some good honest conversations.  We don't have to agree, but she knows where I stand and I know where she stands.  I honestly dunno where people are getting some of their anti-Sera crap from cause it seems they are playing a whole different game from the one I am playing.

Then you must be doing something differently. Because all I did was support mages in my first playthrough and got pissed when she stuck an arrow in my face and that was enough for her to hate me. 

[skotie]

I'm playing a mage, and Sera is besties with me with some good honest conversations.  We don't have to agree, but she knows where I stand and I know where she stands.  I honestly dunno where people are getting some of their anti-Sera crap from cause it seems they are playing a whole different game from the one I am playing.

Do anything to help mages or bring up elves to her at any point and your likely to get disapproval from her. Solas doesn't care much for the Dalish but at least he doesn't disapprove for simply talking with you about them, he waits to see your response before he does that.

 

Almost the first thing she says to you when you meet her as a Dalish "And your an elf... hope your not too elfy."

[Oslanar]

Sera is weird,but not a total weirdo.I can understan her mostly.But i didnt understand why she hates fade so much.But still love her.

[NWN-Ming-Ming]

I've helped the mages, sided with them, made them allies, stood firm on mage decisions.  Hell I even befriended the Dalish elves in the Exalted Plains (and then looted their graveyard).  Again, I don't know what decisions or convo options you're using, but...  *shrugs*  I'm having a great time with Sera and while she's disagreed with a few of my "Sit in Judgement"s, I'm just not having the same issues others seem to be having.  Maybe it's, I dunno  ...breeches?

[SirDoctorofTARDIS]

Then you must be doing something differently. Because all I did was support mages in my first playthrough and got pissed when she stuck an arrow in my face and that was enough for her to hate me. 

 

Did you support the mages as full allies? Cause that's probably the problem seeing as how she disapproves of the same decision on the Templar side.

[Heimdall]

Did you support the mages as full allies? Cause that's probably the problem seeing as how she disapproves of the same decision on the Templar side.

She's not a fan of either side because they both have a habit of running roughshod over the "little people" as they wage their private war.

Her approval in that situation doesn't actually have a whole lot to do with her feelings toward magic.

[ZipZap2000]

Yeah, Jack changed, but the process of that change happens between games, not during any of them. Anyway, I would admit that she is at least a little crazy, when she pulverizes that snooty noble. The limp murder knife toss was amusing though. But it doesn't compare to piracy, kidnapping and such.

Don't forget vandalism. At least that's what the Hanar called it.

[ZipZap2000]

She's not a fan of either side because they both have a habit of running roughshod over the "little people" as they wage their private war.

Her approval in that situation doesn't actually have a whole lot to do with her feelings toward magic.

 

She actually has a big problem with magic. Dorian V Sera on the subject was a goodie and almost pleaded with my inquisitor to use less of it.

[Heimdall]

She actually has a big problem with magic. Dorian V Sera on the subject was a goodie and almost pleaded with my inquisitor to use less of it.

Not saying she doesn't, just that in that particular situation it isn't why she disapproves of offering an alliance.

[rubynorman]

She said this to my elf mage "Most people are scared, I mean there are a lot of mages here but most people have never seen one, never. You're weird and I know know, so you are not that scary, but lots of people don't know you. I don't want you to be just a scary mage" ( the VA's voice here is perfect, it really showed her concern )

 

>>> Sera concerns about the Inquisitor's image in the people's eyes, she doesn't hate mage or magic.

[Kohaku]

It may just be me lol. It just seemed her thought process bounces all over the dang place and I couldn't follow it. I just smiled, nodded and walked away lol

I said the same thing before release. Heck, I ever said it on this board. My mind still hasn't changed. I actually like her less.

I don't hate her however. How can you hate something/someone that doesn't exist? I don't like the character though.

[kipac]

She is a psychopath with no character development....
 
Sera is like Jack / Subject Zero with no character development or character arc...

Then you either don't know what character development is, or are not good at reading people.
Jack was an anti-social psychopath who cared for no one with walls around her, but she eventually learns how to care and interact with other people. Instead of bailing out, she puts her life on the line to protect the students.

If a big change in one's personality and mind is not a character development, then what do you call it?

[Dean_the_Young]

It's not complicated, really. She's erratic, stubborn, close-minded, easily irritated, refuses to consider alternative ways of thinking, etc.. I really enjoy her character myself, but she's a pain in the ass and even she's aware of it.

 

It doesn't help that she has a class-based view of the world while being a vocal rejector of identity politics and greater-good arguments.

 

As a biological elf, people think she should identify as 'elf' and try to place expectations on her (on who she should support, on who she should make exceptions for) and she rejects that thinking. She won't make exceptions for Briala using little people just because Briala claims it's for the city elves. She won't sympathize with the Dalish or entertain any cultural of a 'proper' way to be and elf, or 'elfy.' She's post-racial in her identity and politics (just 'little people', human or elf) in setting that certainly isn't post-racial, and when you combine that with her general immaturity and unwillingness to accept 'it was for the best' or 'unavoidable consequences' rationalizations she pisses off a lot of people who want to 'fix' things in Thedas, and don't mind crushing a few dozen eggs to make an omelet.

[Dean_the_Young]

I thought I would romance her on my first playthrough but I couldn't. She is a wackjob. She disrespectful to her own people or the Dalish. She is a hypocrite. She doesn't make sense.

 

 

How can she be disrespectful of 'her own people' when she disagrees about what 'her own people' even are?

 

Sera doesn't identify as 'elf.' She identifies as 'little people', a distinction that transcends racial identity. Unless you mean she's disrespectful against poor people (and while arguable, I'd suggest 'careless' is far better), not clinging to elven identity and rejecting those who expect it to be self-evident is hardly self-disparaging.

 

 

 

Plus she is rude. She calls Solas too Elfy?

 

 

Solas presumes they have commonality simply because of an accident of birth. The presumption of what she is, of what she should be in opinions and practices and values, is what Sera dismisses as too 'elfy.'

 

Solas may not have intended offense, but he did demonstrate prejudice (as in, 'preconceived opinion that is not based on reason or actual experience') in expecting her to know and share his culture simply because she was an elf.

 

 

Think of it as a living rejection of a 'no true elf' fallacy. Sera is an elf. She stridently rejects the idea of a 'true elf,' which is often deemed synonymous with 'ancient Arlathan,' 'Dalish', or 'people who support Briala's ambitions.'

[robertthebard]

It may just be me lol. It just seemed her thought process bounces all over the dang place and I couldn't follow it. I just smiled, nodded and walked away lol

OMG, it just hit me, Sera is the BSN!!!

[Wulfram]

Though she's willing to write it off as all for the best when people die as part of her operations.

My main problem with her is that she seems incapable of respecting other peoples opinions.

[Dean_the_Young]

Though she's willing to write it off as all for the best when people die as part of her operations.

My main problem with her is that she seems incapable of respecting other peoples opinions.

 

Respect as a concept distinct from 'liking' is generally a more analytical/intellectual concept. Sera is pretty much pure emotion-based reasoning, with all hypocrisies of passion that it entails (though not necessarily the hypocrisies a person wants to see in it). I'm not sure she is capable of 'respect' as something independent of 'liking.'

 

She's immature, which I think her writers would be the first to proudly admit, and a part of immaturity is irresponsibility.