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[robertthebard]

Oops. lol!!

If not, I'm betting that he's wishing we had killed him now...

[Nathair Nimheil]

"Low-key" to you, to Sera it's not.

I find it interesting that Sera is condemned in turns for not really caring about the powerless and then for making too much of a fuss when they are murdered.

 

Can't win for losing, our Sera.

[NWN-Ming-Ming]

 

It starts around 11:24

Ahhhh!   Thank you for the heads-up!  I have yet to run a playthrough where I don't side with the mages.  This seems like it pops up if you side with Templars, yes?  That explains why I was unfamiliar with it.

[Xilizhra]

"Low-key" to you, to Sera it's not.

Moreso than "I'm supporting your military enemy?"

[XxPrincess(x)ThreatxX]

Funny you mention that because a lot of people were side eying the way DA2 was, Fenris romancing a mage, Anders with Hawke who supports templars etc and called it unrealistic and ridiculous...... and when they finally did that with Sera, people went up in arms about it and are annoyed.
 
 
Bioware just can't win, sadly.

Is silly, they're the same kinda people who raged about DA2's all bi romances but then whined about wanting it back if they didn't like their Li options.

I don't see why Sera keeping true to her own beliefs is such a huge crime to certain people

[robertthebard]

Moreso than "I'm supporting your military enemy?"

Are we at war with the Maker?

[Nathair Nimheil]

Moreso than "I'm supporting your military enemy?"

Why does it have to be more? It is important to Sera.

 

Personally I think Sera has the right of it, ask not for whom the bell tolls and all that.

[Vyndral]

Is silly, they're the same kinda people who raged about DA2's all bi romances but then whined about wanting it back if they didn't like their Li options.I don't see why Sera keeping true to her own beliefs is such a huge crime to certain people

I have read a couple threads that certainly sounded like angry ex who were dumped. Everything was going swimmingly then we had a fight about some goofy god or sometging now she wants to see other people! I hate her i hate her i hate her!

[Xilizhra]

Are we at war with the Maker?

I was talking about Anders there.

[NWN-Ming-Ming]

But the moment you start taking lives without proper justification, which she does (and admits to doing) on at least two accounts, you have mental failings.

I am thinking you must be delirious to think that Sera killed without justification.

 

Noble Death#1  Noble was in the process of assassinating the Quizzie.

Noble Death#2 Noble had just committed one cold-blooded murder and attempted to assassinate the Quizzie.

 

If you think you have proof of any killings "without proper justification" then I ask you post screenshots, video clips, or text excerpts and scenes where they occurred.  Similarly if you think you have proof of Sera admitting to killing without justification, I urge you to post evidence. 

 

Otherwise, I call BS and say you're full of it.

[robertthebard]

There are some failings here, but I'm not sure they're Sera's.

First guy gets an Arrow to the Face, after we've killed some of his minions, and he is plotting against us, and we're not taking Sera at her word, the guy straight out says he is.



The second guy sets us up, and only surrenders when he realizes that he is outmatched.


Check it out, I was wrong, he does have a name, after all. However, I'm not seeing a lack of justification in either count.

Modifié par BioWareMod03, 08 décembre 2014 - 08:58 .

[DKJaigen]

"Low-key" to you, to Sera it's not.

 

Thats why i pity the poor stupid creature. anyway what she thinks is not relevant as she is to stupid and ignorant to make her opinion.

[Northborn]

I am thinking you must be delirious to think that Sera killed without justification.

 

Noble Death#1  Noble was in the process of assassinating the Quizzie.

Noble Death#2 Noble had just committed one cold-blooded murder and attempted to assassinate the Quizzie.

 

If you think you have proof of any killings "without proper justification" then I ask you post screenshots, video clips, or text excerpts and scenes where they occurred.  Similarly if you think you have proof of Sera admitting to killing without justification, I urge you to post evidence. 

 

Otherwise, I call BS and say you're full of it.

 

Those are the two events I refer to yes. And in both of these situations, the perpetrator was apprehended or largely overpowered. Her actions in and of themselves might have been excusable had they happened in the heat of battle, but in both cases her kills happened after pacification. The first noble was out-numbered and resorting to a monologue, the later after being apprehended and under interrogation. In the first case, the noble fired a warning shot, and not an actual fatal shot. She strung up her bow, spouted a one liner and as the other man was monologuing, pinned him in the face. In the later, as her leader, the inquisitor, was in the midst of an interrogation, she grew unstable and eventually snapped. This is not how a right minded individual behaves.

Excusing her actions is akin to excusing a real life vigilante who would shoot a surrendering criminal after he had been pacified by the cops.

As for admitting to her actions, I will have to apologize on that, but that's how I understood her, and since I'm not going to replay a 90 hours game just to hear those lines again, I cannot quote her. Much like anything she says, it was not a well-spoken, face-value admittance. You had to read between the lines.

[Seboist]

Sera's a terrible try-hard "edgy" character from something like a disney channel teen show. That and her face is as attractive as a hog's.

 

She's not all bad however, she doesn't like the Dalish(then again who in the right mind does?).

[OG Swift]

Are you stupid or you just don't know how to read? NONE hates her for that reason. Also I wanted Lelianna to be full les in origins so everyone could had just one LI instead of "straight people gets 2 and gay people gets only 1 that is not  completely gay"

 

There's hidden despise and the more you say "it's not because of this or that" the more you reveal the truth about your pathetic hidden hatred towards different sexuality. Poor sod.

[KaiserShep]

She's not all bad however, she doesn't like the Dalish(then again who in the right mind does?).

 

lol

[OG Swift]

Sera's a terrible try-hard "edgy" character from something like a disney channel teen show. That and her face is as attractive as a hog's.

 

She's not all bad however, she doesn't like the Dalish(then again who in the right mind does?).

 

This is quite interesting because she doesn't like them but when you show interest in their culture or themselves during dialogs where she accompanies you - you get approvals from her (btw: missing bar of approval rating is bad)

[NWN-Ming-Ming]

Those are the two events I refer to yes. And in both of these situations, the perpetrator was apprehended or largely overpowered. Her are actions in and of themselves might have been excusable had it happened in the heat of the moment, but in both cases her kills happened after the first noble was out-numbered and resorting to a monologue, the later after being apprehended and under interrogation. In the first case, the noble fired a warning shot, and not an actual fatal shot. She strung up her bow, spouted a one liner and as the other man was talking, pinned him in the face. In the later, as her leader, the inquisitor, was in the midst of an interrogation, she grew unstable and eventually snapped. This is not how a right minded individual behaves.

Excusing her actions is akin to excusing a real life vigilante who would shoot a surrendering criminal after he had been pacified by the cops.

Speaking as someone who is acutely familiar with legal use of force issues, just because someone has stopped aggressive violence and starts to talk doesn't mean anyone- civil, police, or military is obligated to stop use of lethal force once it's already been initiated.  There are many factors that go into continuing use of lethal force, including the likelihood of a ruse, civilian or officer safety, and situational conditions that extension of the violent situation might exacerbate.  There is no blanket moral, ethical, or legal binding requirement to refrain from putting down a violent perpetrator once lethal combat has been initiated.

[Northborn]

Yeah, stay classy bro.

 

I apologize for this, your insinuation that I'm PEPCAKing and incapable of understanding her pricked me. 

While I may be using the wrong term, and I will give you that, I maintain that a mentally stable person does not take life the way she did with the second noble. War may be happening, but when a person is apprehended, you do not simply bash their head in. You do not snap in the midst of an interrogation.

[NWN-Ming-Ming]

I maintain that a mentally stable person does not take life the way she did with the second noble. War may be happening, but when a person is apprehended, you do not simply bash their head in. You do not snap in the midst of an interrogation.

This is a highly subjective assertion you make; one that many military men, peace officers, and statesmen have struggled with over centuries of violence and not come to a consensus upon.  I might even ask you what your qualifications for making the assertion are, have you ever served in the military or been involved in lethal combat?

 

There is no clean pause button for what happens in combat, despite attempts at talking or otherwise. 

 

You may state that your assessment of what to do is your opinion, but it is hardly a universal truism.

[robertthebard]

This is a highly subjective assertion you make; one that many military men, peace officers, and statesmen have struggled with over centuries of violence and not come to a consensus upon.  I might even ask you what your qualifications for making the assertion are, have you ever served in the military or been involved in lethal combat?
 
There is no clean pause button for what happens in combat, despite attempts at talking or otherwise. 
 
You may state that your assessment of what to do is your opinion, but it is hardly a universal truism.

If it had been up to me, he would have gotten an arrow to the face before any dialog could have been initiated. He's already proven his intent, and that he can't be trusted to keep his word, so why waste time allowing him to blow more smoke.

BTW, am I the only one that sees a post edited by a mod, and runs to my profile page to see if I got another warning, even though it's not immediately clear what was removed??? FREAKY!!!!

[Nathair Nimheil]

War may be happening, but when a person is apprehended, you do not simply bash their head in. You do not snap in the midst of an interrogation.

Actually, in this series, you do. Cutscenes are at the discretion of The Almighty (BW). Claiming that the vast hordes of people you (the vigilante leader of an unsanctioned private army) killed, many without any warning at all, are perfectly moral because there was no cutscene involved is just silly. What's more, casting Thedas in the midst of the Inquisition as if the ethical situation is identical to the twenty first century developed democratic nations is more than silly. Sera knows first hand of the nobility's depredation of the powerless classes but so do we. Remember the Vaughan Kendells? The notion that some sort of "justice system" will address and restrain these nobles is just you trying to impress real world mechanisms onto Thedas. That's why the Jennys exist.

[Northborn]

This is a highly subjective assertion you make; one that many military men, peace officers, and statesmen have struggled with over centuries of violence and not come to a consensus upon.  I might even ask you what your qualifications for making the assertion are, have you ever served in the military or been involved in lethal combat?

 

There is no clean pause button for what happens in combat, despite attempts at talking or otherwise. 

 

You may state that your assessment of what to do is your opinion, but it is hardly a universal truism.

 

First off, I never claimed in any of my posts, that any of my claims were anything but an opinion, my opinion nor that it was universal truism. How can you say this with a straight face when you, and every other person that's replied to me attempt to force your own interpretation of the character down my throat. And claim I'm full of it, AND insinuate that I'm too stupid to understand the character?

[Nathair Nimheil]

BTW, am I the only one that sees a post edited by a mod, and runs to my profile page to see if I got another warning, even though it's not immediately clear what was removed??? FREAKY!!!!

Where would you see that?

[Nathair Nimheil]

First off, I never claimed in any of my posts, that any of my claims were anything but an opinion, my opinion nor that it was universal truism. How can you say this with a straight face

Perhaps it was the way you said that those who disagreed with you were not right in the head.