Perhaps it was the way you said that those who disagreed with you were not right in the head.
Ah yes, in the same way you insinuated I was too stupid to comprehend the character. You're a real hoot to discuss with there, Nathair Nimheil. Initiate the attacks and then turn the blame around. Thumbs up, my friend.
Where would you see that?
To me Sera is a childish punk, love her for being childish, hate her for being a punk.
First off, I never claimed in any of my posts, that any of my claims were anything but an opinion, my opinion nor that it was universal truism. How can you say this with a straight face when you, and every other person that's replied to me attempt to force your own interpretation of the character down my throat. And claim I'm full of it, AND insinuate that I'm too stupid to understand the character?
I am going to show you your words below. In no case was there a preface or quantifier to your statements to indicate opinion or subjective statement, rather there was indicated emphasis and forcefulness in your choice of words and phrasing. These indicate a statement held as fact,
While I may be using the wrong term, and I will give you that, I maintain that a mentally stable person does not take life the way she did with the second noble. War may be happening, but when a person is apprehended, you do not simply bash their head in. You do not snap in the midst of an interrogation.
You also make a broad sweeping generalization about what I have posted on these boards, as well as what others have chimed in on. I won't speak for anyone else, but my posts have primarily been to dispel false statements made about in-game dialogues and actions attributed to Sera. I feel that I have largely been successful at pointing out when false statements have been made, dispelled false attributions credited to Sera, and emphasized actual quotes and passages from the game to show what in fact has been said by Sera and what she has done.
No.Ah yes, in the same way you insinuated I was too stupid to comprehend the character. You're a real hoot to discuss with there, Nathair Nimheil. Initiate the attacks and then turn the blame around. Thumbs up, my friend.
While I may be using the wrong term, and I will give you that, I maintain that a mentally stable person does not take life the way she did with the second noble. War may be happening, but when a person is apprehended, you do not simply bash their head in. You do not snap in the midst of an interrogation.
Not to get on your case, but with the amount of wanton murder that the PC and pretty much everybody else commits throughout the course of the series, I have a hard time judging Sera for it. If there were many, many more options for the PC to avoid violence it would be different, but as it is, the player is the hero largely as a result of body count at the end.
Anyway, I loved Sera. I thought she was hilarious, and that her voice actress was amazing. I wouldn't like her much in real life, and my PC wouldn't have felt a lot of respect or trust for her, because she's a bit loony, but I felt like she was very entertaining loony, so there you go.
Agreed, she's great.her voice actress was amazing.
I am going to show you your words below. In no case was there a preface or quantifier to your statements to indicate opinion or subjective statement, rather there was indicated emphasis and forcefulness in your choice of words and phrasing. These indicate a statement held as fact,
You also make a broad sweeping generalization about what I have posted on these boards, as well as what others have chimed in on. I won't speak for anyone else, but my posts have primarily been to dispel false statements made about in-game dialogues and actions attributed to Sera. I feel that I have largely been successful at pointing out when false statements have been made, dispelled false attributions credited to Sera, and emphasized actual quotes and passages from the game to show what in fact has been said by Sera and what she has done.
Alright, that quote there was direct and brash. You are right and I apologize for the crap delivery. In my mind, I was giving my opinion, but in effect I do see that it was... poorly worded to say the least.
That being said, I still do feel, personally, that the way she suddenly snaps while I'm interrogating the guy, counts down from three, and just smashes the guy's head in mid-sentence... well that, in my eyes, is not sane behavior. It is not that she did it, is not that she actually took the life that rubs me the wrong way whether it was right or wrong. It is the way she does it. Like its a game to her. After that, I do not feel that she values life.
Someone who did that IRL would freak me out.
In the end, I never claimed that she was a bad character. Being a fish out of the water, does not mean she is a poorly written character who should have been cut from the game. Her voice actress IS amazing. The character may have redeeming qualities. Sadly, I did not see them because she put off my Inquisitor from the moment he met her. She had no true place in his inquisition. This neither affects the quality of the character, nor my own level of intellect.
Why, then, do you imagine she is so violently outraged at the deaths of some perfect strangers and the casual dismissal of this by the murderer?After that, I do not feel that she values life.
It's cool.
And honestly it'd a pretty boring world if everyone held the same opinions.
In regards to Sera's reactions and violent beating of the noble, it's going to sound possibly mean or pernicious here for me to point out, but I feel obligated to ask you... why didn't you feel that sense of dismay when the informant was murdered by Lord Pel?
You see, Sera was outraged by that murder, even though the poor fellow was (obviously in the context of the scene) a redshirt doomed to die, his death was no more or less sudden and violent as Lord Pel's. Was it possibly because he lacked a name? He was a 'background character' and not a featured character? We as an audience have our obvious biases, and I cannot help but feel that those that sympathize with Lord Pel do so more because he has prominent speaking lines and 'characterization' as opposed to the poor doomed informant,
I think in a way, Sera's value for life, particularly innocent life, is shown and demonstrated far more visibly in that scene than you perhaps give her credit for.
I suppose I'm pretty desensitized by the gleeful slaughter I can engage in in both Mass Effect and Dragon Age, because I didn't really give Sera's action against that noble a second thought. Of course, I prefer my kills to be neater. Like, hey girl, I just crafted those knee guards. Can't you just wait a week before getting brains and such on them?
I suppose I'm pretty desensitized by the gleeful slaughter I can engage in in both Mass Effect and Dragon Age, because I didn't really give Sera's action against that noble a second thought. Of course, I prefer my kills to be neater. Like, hey girl, I just crafted those knee guards. Can't you just wait a week before getting brains and such on them?
It's not complicated, really. She's erratic, stubborn, close-minded, easily irritated, refuses to consider alternative ways of thinking, etc.. I really enjoy her character myself, but she's a pain in the ass and even she's aware of it.
In short: Sera is basically childish and sees the world in black and white. But yeah, you hit the nail right on the head.
Because every time I turn around there's another "Why do people hate Sera?" thread on BSN.
Aggregate, people, aggregate!
It's not complicated, really. She's erratic, stubborn, close-minded, easily irritated, refuses to consider alternative ways of thinking, etc.. I really enjoy her character myself, but she's a pain in the ass and even she's aware of it.
Look at her she is like a chicken look at her! where is the difference? she is the Chicken necks
This. A million times this. So she doesn't fit the same tired as hell tropes that usually come with this genre and she speaks in a weird accent and an odd dialect,who cares she is awesome. Plus her accent isn't that weird anyway I can understand it just fine expand your minds open up the old ear drums alright peopleBecause they have no souls, they hate life, they hate fun? I don't know, pick one.
Agreed. Sera doesn't just laugh, either. She laughs, she makes noises, and she gloats about how basically the Dalish are a bunch of losers.
I'm actually beginning to agree with some others' opinions that Sera is an anti-elven racist. I can get not agreeing with the Dalish. What I can't comprehend is failing to respect them as people--and never being able to grow enough to understand that just because their culture is different, and their beliefs, doesn't mean they are somehow better, worse, snobbier, etc. than you are.
The Dalish believe that the City elves are inferior, have no culture, and barely qualify as "elves" in any way that matters, and if Velanna saying "the sight of them sickens me" when you run into the City Elves in Awakenings is anything to judge by, they have no problem with telling them just how much lower they feel they are.
This is the exact same attitude that the worst sort of human nobles have toward their common subjects, and an arguably much worse sort of racism toward City elves than the humans have. So since Sera hates human nobles who treat the common folk that way, so of course she's not going to like it any better when it's another elf doing that. And learning that the tattoos that the Dalish hold up as a point of pride and something that makes them superior to the City Elves are actually a badge of slavery after all these years of them looking at her like garbage? Of course she's going to find that funny, and she's got good reason to.
The Dalish believe that the City elves are inferior, have no culture, and barely qualify as "elves" in any way that matters, and if Velanna saying "the sight of them sickens me" when you run into the City Elves in Awakenings is anything to judge by, they have no problem with telling them just how much lower they feel they are.
This is the exact same attitude that the worst sort of human nobles have toward their common subjects, and an arguably much worse sort of racism toward City elves than the humans have. So since Sera hates human nobles who treat the common folk that way, so of course she's not going to like it any better when it's another elf doing that. And learning that the tattoos that the Dalish hold up as a point of pride and something that makes them superior to the City Elves are actually a badge of slavery after all these years of them looking at her like garbage? Of course she's going to find that funny, and she's got good reason to.
Except not all Dalish clans are the same. The PC's clan in Inquisition, if I recall correctly, is rather tolerant of humans, and in DAO, the clan you visit takes in a city elf.
There is no united Dalish culture. Each clan has grown separate and individual, though there are common themes. Comparable to how Asian cultures share similarities, but their nuances are heavily varied.
So she doesn't fit the same tired as hell tropes that usually come with this genre and she speaks in a weird accent and an odd dialect,who cares she is awesome. Plus her accent isn't that weird anyway I can understand it just fine expand your minds open up the old ear drums alright people
It's funny when people complain about the staleness and conformity in gaming, with entire websites dedicated to tropes and such, but also complain vigorously when something different comes along. It's like, we want different but agreeably different! I'm like, there's another way to describe that, it's called wanting the exact same thing.
It's funny when people complain about the staleness and conformity in gaming, with entire websites dedicated to tropes and such, but also complain vigorously when something different comes along. It's like, we want different but agreeably different! I'm like, there's another way to describe that, it's called wanting the exact same thing.
The more things change, the more they suck, as it were.
If the whole quest didn't answer this question for you, along with the dialog after the arrow to the face, how are we supposed to explain it to you now, w/out the visual aids? Think about it, what are the noble's lines as he's chucking mini fireballs at you? In fact, what were his lines right up until his lackey got killed? No, I'm not going to spend my time, again, explaining this. It was plainly laid out in the quest, and despite the last time I had to go here I stated that Sera had it wrong, because it is too complicated for some, I'm going to spend my time teaching a man to fish, instead of giving him a fish.
I have one lunatic's word that this man is my enemy. Yes he attacked me after I crashed his meeting and killed two of his guards then chick I don't know shoots him in the face.
Except not all Dalish clans are the same. The PC's clan in Inquisition, if I recall correctly, is rather tolerant of humans, and in DAO, the clan you visit takes in a city elf.
Doesn't change Velanna's treatment of the city elves or intolerance of all non-Dalish, though, or the Dalish use of "flat ears" as a slur against City elves. Or things like this bit of lore from the codex in DAO:
We tell the children that the elvhen are strong, that we are a proud people, but they hear of these city elves who choose to toil under the humans' heavy hand. How do we teach them pride when they know there are others who would allow themselves to be trampled into the dust? So we tell them that these city elves are to be pitied, that they have given up on their people, given up their heritage. We tell them that some people are so used to being controlled that, when freed, they know not what to do with themselves. They are weak and afraid--afraid of the unfamiliar, afraid of our life of wandering. Above all, they are afraid even to hope that one day we may have a home of our own.
--Gisharel, keeper of the Ralaferin clan of the Dalish elves.
I have one lunatic's word that this man is my enemy. Yes he attacked me after I crashed his meeting and killed two of his guards then chick I don't know shoots him in the face.
Watch again and listen. Just in case you have a hearing problem, here's a transcript below of what is said.
*Fireball tossing at Quizzie*
Herald of Andraste! How much did you expend to discover me? It must have weakened the Inquisition immeasurably!
Quizzie- "I don't know who you are!"
You don't fool me! I'm too important for this to be an accident! My efforts will survive in victories against you elsewhere!
Sera "Just say 'What?'"
What is th- Gach! *arrow in face*
In case you are unfamiliar with the trope of monologuing, that's what this would-be villain was doing. He flat out states that he is opposed to you, that he was plotting against you, and he throws fireballs at you. If you genuinely disbelieve Sera's claims that this fellow was bad news and count her words as the ravings of a lunatic, then you are deluding yourself.
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