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[Rifneno]

 

Being arrogant is the privilege of being right.  Sera's 100%, factually wrong with all of this.  She's just a belligerent moron.

[Wulfram]

Respect as a concept distinct from 'liking' is generally a more analytical/intellectual concept. Sera is pretty much pure emotion-based reasoning, with all hypocrisies of passion that it entails (though not necessarily the hypocrisies a person wants to see in it).
 
She's immature, which I think her writers would be the first to proudly admit, and a part of immaturity is irresponsibility.

Yeah. I'm not saying I think she's badly written. She's just not someone I like. Which I guessed was going to be true when I saw the leaked description of her, to be honest.

[Rifneno]

Yeah. I'm not saying I think she's badly written. She's just not someone I like. Which I guessed was going to be true when I saw the leaked description of her, to be honest.

I knew it when I saw who wrote her.  Lukas Kristjanson has never written a character I didn't want to set on fire.  Her description info was definitely some major warning signs though, even her writer's history aside.

[Icinix]

She's a staple almost every where I go.

 

Some of the funniest lines in a game I've ever heard - and much of her interactive dialogue if you play along with results in even more laughs.

 

Overall though - this collection of characters in Inquisition is great, there is none that I don't like. In DA2 and ME3 there was only a few go to characters, in Inquisition I wish I could take them all everywhere.

[myahele]

I liked Sera, but she certainly lacks depth compared to the rest of the companions. Due to the banter bug I wasn't able to hear her banter with other companions, but after listening to some I can understand the hate. I'd dislike Sera too if I heard what she said during my playthrough

[Dominus]

My personal take...

As many have said, she isn't the sharpest arrow in the quiver. Tries a little bit too hard for my liking, and should probably take the word 'breeches' out of her vocabulary. Maker save us. I liked one of her conversations on the rooftops, fleshed out her background a bit.

I actually did keep her in my roster for a couple reasons. One, the Sera/Vivienne banter made for comedic results. Two, cause two Archers are better than one.

[Vyndral]

I was enjoying Sera and then we went to the well of sorrows. When i spoke to her afterwards she was really starting to get on me, then something odd stuck me. She might actually be right.

Im not ready to call the old elven gods demons like she is but im also not ready to call them gods. and if i had to choose id probably say they were closer to demons since they seem to have some of thier quialities.
And after that popped into my head i was back on the Sera bandwagon.

Anywho, let's push the bed off the balcony.

[Wulfram]

I knew it when I saw who wrote her.  Lukas Kristjanson has never written a character I didn't want to set on fire.  Her description info was definitely some major warning signs though, even her writer's history aside.

You didn't like Minsc? Burn the heretic!
 

[robertthebard]

 
Being arrogant is the privilege of being right.  Sera's 100%, factually wrong with all of this.  She's just a belligerent moron.

Wait, so sticking to what she believes, no matter what, makes her a belligerent moron?


*whistle*

[Degenerate Rakia Time]

i love Sera, she's what i'd be if i was a female elf

[Rifneno]

You didn't like Minsc? Burn the heretic!
 

He wrote Minsc? Wow, nevermind that then. Minsc was awesome. Loved Minsc. I wonder why he switched to writing self-righteous hemorrhoids like Carver, Aveline, and Sera.

Wait, so sticking to what she believes, no matter what, makes her a belligerent moron?


*whistle*

I'm going to assume you simply don't know what the word "belligerent" means since no one can listen to "Now you're stupid" and "everytime you open your mouth, you sound like an idiot" and think that's not belligerent unless they think belligerent is a type of Korean spice made from roots.

Belligerent is not, in fact, a Korean spice made from roots. You may wish to look it up.

And yes, when someone refuses to reexamine their beliefs upon finding new evidence, they are a moron. That's the politest thing I'd call them.

[Dean_the_Young]

Yeah. I'm not saying I think she's badly written. She's just not someone I like. Which I guessed was going to be true when I saw the leaked description of her, to be honest.

 

Totally cool, and not even trying to challenge your dislike. Your post was just a useful one to elaborate my own thoughts.

 

It's funny. I don't even care for Sera that much personally, but I seem to be on the 'defending' side against her dislikers more than not. If I'm not careful, people might think I actually like or respect her, lol.

[Wulfram]

He wrote Minsc? Wow, nevermind that then. Minsc was awesome. Loved Minsc. I wonder why he switched to writing self-righteous hemorrhoids like Carver, Aveline, and Sera.
 

 

Well, Minsc started out as someone else's DnD character, so maybe that accounts for the difference?

[Rifneno]

Now I want a giant hamster mount named Boo...

[New Kid]

Did anyone else think they hated Sera from promo material and her introduction then love her as the game progressed?

[Heimdall]

Did anyone else think they hated Sera from promo material and her introduction then love her as the game progressed?

*Raises Hand* I was really prepared to write her off, but To my surprise I ended up adoring her. Exactly the opposite of what happened with Iron Bull.

[New Kid]

*Raises Hand* I was really prepared to write her off, but To my surprise I ended up adoring her. Exactly the opposite of what happened with Iron Bull.

I'm the same! Bull didn't live up to the hype.

[Baronesa]

Wait, so sticking to what she believes, no matter what, makes her a belligerent moron?


*whistle*

 

Yes.... exactly. When presented with new evidence that should at least make you pause and consier other posibilities, and you flat out reject it.

 

Want examples in real life? There are still geocentrist out there.... hell if you push it there are still people who firmly believe that the Earth is flat, despite all the evidence to the contrary.

 

The game presents many things that challenge her narrow understanding of the world, and she prefers to cover her ears and go "lalalalla" and call everyone who goes introspect, who ponders the new information as a stupid.

 

Yes, sticking to what you believe in light of evidence to the contrary makes you willfully ignorant. And that is the kind of people i can't stand in real life.

 

 

A pity, before the game came out I thought I would romance her. She is too much of a bigot for me to endure her a second playthrough.

 

Does this mean is she badly written? Not at all. Quite the contrary. She clearly represents the opinion of the ignorant peasants that rather cling to their fears than learn about new things. She does that wonderfully. She was given a chance however, to join a big organization and be exposed to different ideas and understandings, and she rejects it all.

[Navasha]

She makes a terrible first impression for one thing.   Her humor isn't even that funny to me.   Fart noises stopped being funny after about age 10.   I am not saying she isn't a well-written character.   She just has a personality and world view I find very distasteful.   I wouldn't associate with someone like her in real life in any way.  

 

I actually intended her to be my first romance option initially but am pursuing other interests, though to be honest...  I am NOT looking forward to that play through now.   Will probably save her for my wicked 'evil' remorseless playthrough.     At least that way, she gets what she deserves.     

[Nathair Nimheil]

Yes, sticking to what you believe in light of evidence to the contrary makes you willfully ignorant. And that is the kind of people i can't stand in real life.

But that is not what is happening here. Sera is not ignoring the evidence, she is rejecting hearsay as evidence and she is rejecting the conclusion. This is explicitly explained in the video Riffy linked;

 

"You don't believe anything from Mythal?"

 

"'Course not.What, I should believe all that stuff, because Elves? I mean it was impressive and all, makes the Dalish look like ****** for livin' in the woods but so what? There's can't be a bunch of gods and The Maker. Don't matter how much or little you believe those don't fit. So, call me stupid, but I believe the stuff not made up by dead people who failed; Mythal is a ruin full of demons. I mean, it just makes sense right?"

 

"The evidence is hard to ignore. I believe it."  <-- Bigfooties, UFO chasers, Homeopaths, Chemtrailers, the tinfoil hat mantra this is.

 

"No, now you're stupid. You can't think that because it's stupid." Yes Sera, yes it really is.

 

"But everything we saw!"

 

"Why believe it?" And this is a good question. Why believe it? It certainly isn't hard evidence. And she's not alone in doubting, as other have pointed out Sera might very well be right. The lines between demon and spirit and god are extremely fuzzy at best and the amount of credence that should be given to the hearsay presented is open to argument. So, you might disagree with her but this nonsense about her denying contradictory evidence is just that, nonsense. We're talking about Fade denizens here, when has anything ever been exactly what it appears or claims to be? Hell, the upshot of all this new stuff is that all the old stuff that certain groups believed completely and forever was completely wrong the whole time. Why not apply the lesson of that revelation to this New Dogma?

 

You don't have to agree, you just have to admit that there is more than one interpretation possible here.

 

Then at the end of the scene she says "Anyway, believe what you want. Just as long as we kill Coryphe-fish; whatever." So she has her say, you have your say, then she says "Fine, agree to disagree, let's get back to work." If you see that as a demonstration of closed minded intolerance then you are letting your preconceptions about Sera get the better of you.

[BadgerladDK]

Did anyone else think they hated Sera from promo material and her introduction then love her as the game progressed?

 

Nope, wrong rogue for that reaction. I had that exact process with Cole. Sera I thought I'd love to hang with, instead I'd love to hang her.

[robertthebard]

He wrote Minsc? Wow, nevermind that then. Minsc was awesome. Loved Minsc. I wonder why he switched to writing self-righteous hemorrhoids like Carver, Aveline, and Sera.


I'm going to assume you simply don't know what the word "belligerent" means since no one can listen to "Now you're stupid" and "everytime you open your mouth, you sound like an idiot" and think that's not belligerent unless they think belligerent is a type of Korean spice made from roots.

Belligerent is not, in fact, a Korean spice made from roots. You may wish to look it up.

And yes, when someone refuses to reexamine their beliefs upon finding new evidence, they are a moron. That's the politest thing I'd call them.

I just find it amazing how many people are belligerent morons. Here you are, clinging desperately to your belief that no-one's view of her is valid, unless they happen to share your view. You're even willing to, figuratively speaking, point an arrow at my face. Then, in the previous incarnation of this thread, we had the "she's a hypocrite" crowd, even after the actual definition of the word was provided, and shown not to fit. I was just trying to establish the baseline for this conversation, thank you for doing that for me. Of course, I realize that I can't stoop to your level of dialog. It gets me board warnings and bans, but in this case, I really don't have to. You demonstrate it fully on your own.

[Zu Long]

I played a mage Elf who generally supported more freedom for mages... and my character got along great with her. I ended up basically being her older brother. Her reaction of happiness when I said she could stick around in the Epilogue was pretty touching.

[robertthebard]

Are these the same ignorant peasants that are butchered by the Mages( and Templars ) they fear so much?

Shh, don't try to drag details into this. It muddies the arguments they cling to for justification of the nonsense.

The really sad part is, all one has to say is: I don't like her because she's abrasive. That is objectively true. She's written to be abrasive, and does a wonderful job at it. To me, it's part of her charm, but yeah, not everyone's into that. Instead, we have people that feel justified in, according to Refneno, being belligerent morons about what they believe as opposed to what's presented in game. The irony of that isn't lost on me. For example, they sincerely believe that she sends people into dangerous situations that they're not prepared to handle. This, despite all the evidence given that those people are already there. They didn't realize that they contact her, not the other way around, despite her telling us that if we press her about her "Friends". They then flail wildly about, trying to convince themselves, as well as us, that the game didn't know what it was saying, and their rather warped perspective is the only one that's right, and then, more irony, accuse her of being a belligerent moron, for doing the exact same thing they're doing.