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#976
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Love Sera.  She was my LI in first playthrough.  Second playthrough I was trying to be indifferent to her since I am a selfish noble. :)  But I just can't. If you really listen to what she is saying, you find a deep, caring person.  Plus she is funny and has some of the best lines.

 

If this was a movie, Sera would be considered a scene stealer.


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I've never heard of any of those ''dalish are assholes!1!'' people with an argument that wouldn't lead you to conclude that humans are way worse, yet get away with it in the public opinion. Also some city elves like the ones in the Denerim alienage don't even know Dalish elves exist, or would believe the myths Josephine mentions. 

 

In-universe the Dalish are a myth among most city elves. It's brought up in The Masked Empire, where a city elf is shocked at the sight of Felassan with his face tattoos, thinking it's like seeing a a character from stories.



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First Dalish I usually come across in game is the one seeking elven artifacts in the Hinterlands.

I have Solas in my party and she calls him flat ears...

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I was shocked when I heard that and was then pissed that she would say that after we helped her and she doesn't know Solas other than he doesn't have face paint on.

He then doesn't respond to it, I can't respond to it, and Solas receives "Inquisitor slightly disapproves."

Just want to share the experience of meeting the Dalish in Inquisition, not counting the times my human was called a Shem.

I was pleased to see an elf not just being "meh" about the dalish and the city elves, like Zevran, but continually show disgust and disapproval over the destructive attitudes that dalish and city elves tend to show.


Also, she doesn't hate people in power. Sera hates people who treat others as tools. Sera does not use her Friends, they use her.
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#979
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O no he was the most awesome evil villian ever there was, I was most thankful for Sera's timely assitance saving me from that fiend who was likely about 100 hp stronger than his guards.
 
The point is tons of people want to kill you or think you're there enemy, I'm not running around slaughtering them all though, you know just because. Why was I supposed to get some pleasure out of killing someone I don't need to, enemies who may not even be worth my time. Perhaps he was behind something big but I suppose we won't know will we, Sera had to be all trigger happy.


It really doesn't matter if he was a major threat, or a trivial one, he was a threat. Threats have to go. The severity of the threat, if based on his actions at the meeting, was enough to justify his death, even if I'd already had Skyhold and could pass judgement. Attempting to murder the Herald of Andraste would be, in the eyes of the general public that believe that's who you are, whether you do or not, is call for the death penalty.

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Actually, if you're an Elfquisitor, you can have a lot of fun times when she accuses you of being "too elfy" like Solas is, because she's apparently an Andrastean (and you can choose to chew her out for that if you defined your Elfquisitor's faith in the Elven Gods)...

 

Also, sharp social commentary.

"Everything is AAAAAGH when you're small and scared."

 

Again, I think it's really interesting.  A hard-core Marxist would say that Sera has overcome her racial "false consciousness" to recognize the material conditions that determine her objective class identity.  On the other hand, a critical race theorist would say that Sera is insensitive to the cultural structures of racism that shape her experiences of discrimination, and that she has instead convinced herself that a sort of human "respectability politics" (living in cities, worshiping Andraste, denigrating elven culture) will get her treated like a human by other humans.  In any event, I appreciate Bioware's work in this game to build characters who challenge expectations about how their "race" is supposed to behave: Varric, Sera, Iron Bull.

 

As for the eloquence of her social commentary, well, rarely has working class identity been coherently expressed by people who are actually working class.  Thedas is clearly still waiting for its John Wilkes or Karl Marx to develop a more coherent formulation of working-class politics.


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Sera also says she investigated him and he was a pretty nasty guy deserving of death

Sera kills two people. All othet RJ stuff are pranks, so she only kills when it is really called for, like if they murdered little people.

Since she isn't deceitful and always upfront and honest with her thoughts, I have no reason to be suspicious about her explanation for killing Mr. Important Firebolts Guy. I would have preferred imprisonment or something, since I never executed people personally in my canon judgements, but whatever. He is no longer a threat.
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#982
Noelemahc

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She is not Amethyne. There is a Red Jenny quest in Origins. Amethyne is a little girl.

Don't forget that almost a decade passed between Origins and Inquisition - it begins a while after II has ended, and II begins at the same time as Origins and spans a lot of years, so if age is your only counter-argument...

 

And yes, as someone else has pointed out, Red Jennies are a franchise.



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For the most part, I do like Sera.  But she can often be very hard to like for acting like a teenager.  Apologies to the teenagers on the forum, but I really have a hard time liking the more childish immaturity that Sera displays.  Being immature and pranking?  That's fine, and fun!  But some of the stuff Sera says and does - ugh.  I get the brushing off of 'elven stuff', and that a good portion of her attitude is defensive.  But sometimes she acts like she is 13.  More childish than quirky or endearing.



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I don't dislike her, she is interesting, although she isn't one of my favourites. I am actually slightly put off by her way of speaking, she has the vocabulary of a typical British chav, and I feel like this characteristic was actually a design choice :blink:


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I like to think that she was the girl that the city elf origin told a story to. Also, I like to think she was in the alienage when it was purged, suffered plague and slavery all in the span of a year. She may even know Slim Couldry.

I during her travels she bumped into the Dalish and was subsequently descriminated by them; hence her dislike of them

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She doesn't make any sense to me and I have hardly the time to listen to someone who doesn't make sense.


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There are two common shitty stereotype about lesbians: "the hot pornstar who fools around with other women while really waiting for a Big Strong Man to wade in and plow them senseless", and the "dudebro with ******". The latter? That's Sera. She feels like the guy who wrote her gleefully regressed to his equally stereotypical 12-year-old-boy self, slapped breasts on it, and called it a day. It's teeth-grindingly obnoxious at best, and depressingly disrespectful at worst.

 

Are there grown-ass women, including lesbians, who act like this? Yes. But when your ONLY lesbian character is a crude, bigoted, selfish, shortsighted to the point of willful stupidity, rebel-without-a-clue brat with several red flags for abusive behavior thrown in for good measure, it just feels like a kick in the teeth. Give me a dozen or two mature, well-written gay women and I would still despise Sera, never once use her, and think her totally out of place for a story like this, but could shrug her off as an annoying outlier. As it is? I expected better. There were a few hints of something deeper in the first chat at Skyhold, but not nearly enough to put up with the rest of the BS. Compare her to her male counterpart -- such a stark contest in terms of maturity and respectful writing.


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She's not in there to be a caricature of a lesbian. She's in there to be a Marxist icon of the downtroddern. Her patterns of speech, her attitude, her everything is pretty much driven by her class warfare-oriented ethics. Her sexuality isn't important to any of this, just as Dorian's isn't his main trait on his Tevinter-atoner path.


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I like to think that she was the girl that the city elf origin told a story to. Also, I like to think she was in the alienage when it was purged, suffered plague and slavery all in the span of a year. She may even know Slim Couldry.

I during her travels she bumped into the Dalish and was subsequently descriminated by them; hence her dislike of them

 

She could be... in that case we have a second Morrigan here (a character that has not matured yet)



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She's not in there to be a caricature of a lesbian. She's in there to be a Marxist icon of the downtroddern.

A Marxist thief who's repeatedly expressed goal is to get things back to normal and profitable? :huh:

Oh wait! You meant this kind of Marxism, didn't you?

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She's out of place & doesn't have a legit reason for joining the inquisition. If she was a NPC that's one thing, but a companion? By the Maker, no. She also exhibits some sort of disorder. It's mostly evident when her mouth opens, a bunch of nonsense in the form of words.   


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She's out of place & doesn't have a legit reason for joining the inquisition.

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She also exhibits some sort of disorder.

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It's mostly evident when her mouth opens, a bunch of nonsense in the form of words.   

Did you read this thread? Like, at all?

 

Sera does have reasons for joining the Inquisition, she tells them to you if you speak to her. We've discussed them.

 

Sera does not have a disorder. She is not mentally ill. We have discussed this repeatedly.

 

If you don't understand her when she speaks, then I am afraid that is a failing on your part. Whether you agree with it or not what she says is actually perfectly coherent.


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While I find I hate her - I think her character is very interesting, and well written. With me it's more of I see her as rather psychotic, close minded and hypocritical (which other characters call her out on, and she winds up throwing a hissy fit over)

I'm fairly certain she's designed to be this way - I also imagine that if you take the time to get to know her, she winds up being more of a sympathetic character. However, because my Dalish Inquisitor did not believe in the Maker (she believed in her own gods), was supportive of Cole, and because Sera pulled a bow and arrow on my character in Skyhold; Sera and her did not get along. At all.

Add to that, Sera's loyalty mission devolved into her throwing a tantrum at my Inquisitor because I took too long to kill that noble.

There has never been a companion I've had so much distaste for - but again; Im fairly certain that was the intended purpose of the character. She's the only one you always have the option to kick out. She was meant to be divisive among fans. So kudos on that. :)
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I was prepared not to like Sera before the game came out simply because one of her main descriptors was 'bratty' and what can I say, I don't like brats. What I wasn't prepared for when I finally got her in game is how incredibly irritating I find her.

 

To answer the OP's question, the reason I dislike Sera's character so much is simply because of how juvenile she is about everything. I think there's a stark difference between someone that is juvenile in their innocence, and someone that is juvenile simply because they don't want to have to 'deal', and Sera definitely comes across to me as someone like this. She has no time for anyone else's opinions even if her own are hypocritical, and when she does disagree with someone her solution is to answer with something that I would expect to come out of a toddler's mouth. In game or IRL, I don't have the time or the desire to argue with a five year old adult.


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She doesn't make any sense to me and I have hardly the time to listen to someone who doesn't make sense.

And yet you visit these forums :P

 

Actually, I think she makes perfect sense (in both senses) once you get used to her speech patterns. More so if you take time to get to know her. I think a lot of folk seem to be ignoring her background and the lot of the commoners in DA (or even our medieval period for that matter) and judging her unfairly.



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psychotic

I swear, it's enough to drive you to drink.

 

hypocritical

She has no time for anyone else's opinions even if her own are hypocritical

Could one of you specify the hypocrisy you mean.

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I wouldn't say I hate her, really. I just can't stand her arrogant ignorance. If she doesn't agree with something, it's stupid. If she doesn't like something someone did, they're stupid. If someone is higher up on the scale than a peasant, they're stupid. I get why she thinks this way, and I understand where she came from, but what really bothers me about her is that her viewpoint never changes. She was rarely able to articulate satisfactory reasoning for most of the things she said, at least as far as I was concerned. She has a very naive perspective on governance and peoples' abilities to govern themselves. And the thing that irked me the most is that even when I went out of my way to make her happy, she still went out of her way to tell me that I was doing it wrong and that I needed to think of the little guy first. I just really, really didn't like her as a character. If I'd had the ability to make her understand why leaders are important to a functioning society, my perspective would have been different. As it stands, though, she's permanently stuck inside her childish worldview. That's why I didn't like her.

 

Edit: @Nathair Nimheil: The one that really stands out to me is in her companion quest with the lord that she kills if you talk to him for too long. If, like me, you choose dialogue options attempting to tell her that the deaths caused by the lord are as much her fault as his, she acts like you're being completely insane. She refuses to see that by being a part of an organization like Red Jenny, every action she takes within that organization is going to either directly or indirectly put someone at risk or get them killed. She takes no responsibility for her actions unless everything turns out well. Yes, the lord was a terrible person. Yes, he was wrong. Yes, he started it. But if you're going to operate within a clandestine organization devoted to fighting against the nobility, you have to be okay with the fact that you might cause some of your people to die, not just the lords and ladies you're fighting. 

 

Obviously the lord in question here is an extreme case - he's clearly in the wrong, and he is clearly a terrible person. Some might argue that he deserves to die, and I couldn't completely disagree with them. (Personally, I took all of his property in the name of the Inquisition.) The hypocrisy here stems from the fact that Sera takes this approach unilaterally with the nobility; in her eyes, they're all the same, and they are always 100% at fault. She never accepts any of the blame for her actions, at least not that I can remember, and I think it's been made pretty clear that not every member of the nobility is a monster. If you fight someone, you have to take on a certain amount of risk. And if you do that, you can't place all of the blame on the person you're fighting.


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I have not finished the game nor interacted with her much, but for me the hypocrisy is very strongly tied to her short-sightedness. Who do you think actually pays the price for her "fun"? The little people. Every time. She lives in a world in which many nobles degrade and abuse their servants even when said servants keep their heads down and don't do anything wrong. So what happens when messes are made, property goes missing or is damaged and "accidents" befall the high and mighty? Will the targets of her "fun" blame their own clumsiness or passing invisible demons? No, they will inevitably blame their servants, with all the brutal consequences. Eviction, whipping, mutilation, execution. "Fun" for all around. And there is no way that the Red Jennies do not know that, not even with the sort of willful stupidity that Sera has going on.

 

Actually helping the "little people" would mean charity, "underground railroads" to get abused victims out of hot water, that sort of thing. Not "fun". Not "play". Not letting others take the fall for your actions while you run away cackling "ass-******-pants-LOLOLOL!!!!".

 

Also, what King Agamemnon says. That, too, is very much part of the 12-year-old-brat nonsense that I mentioned in my first post.


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There are two common shitty stereotype about lesbians: "the hot pornstar who fools around with other women while really waiting for a Big Strong Man to wade in and plow them senseless", and the "dudebro with ******". The latter? That's Sera. She feels like the guy who wrote her gleefully regressed to his equally stereotypical 12-year-old-boy self, slapped breasts on it, and called it a day. It's teeth-grindingly obnoxious at best, and depressingly disrespectful at worst.
 
Are there grown-ass women, including lesbians, who act like this? Yes. But when your ONLY lesbian character is a crude, bigoted, selfish, shortsighted to the point of willful stupidity, rebel-without-a-clue brat with several red flags for abusive behavior thrown in for good measure, it just feels like a kick in the teeth. Give me a dozen or two mature, well-written gay women and I would still despise Sera, never once use her, and think her totally out of place for a story like this, but could shrug her off as an annoying outlier. As it is? I expected better. There were a few hints of something deeper in the first chat at Skyhold, but not nearly enough to put up with the rest of the BS. Compare her to her male counterpart -- such a stark contest in terms of maturity and respectful writing.


I don't get this. Sera's sexuality seems to be little more than coincidental. It doesn't have any discernible effect on her character.
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I have not finished the game nor interacted with her much, but for me the hypocrisy is very strongly tied to her short-sightedness. Who do you think actually pays the price for her "fun"? The little people. Every time. She lives in a world in which many nobles degrade and abuse their servants even when said servants keep their heads down and don't do anything wrong. So what happens when messes are made, property goes missing or is damaged and "accidents" befall the high and mighty? Will the targets of her "fun" blame their own clumsiness or passing invisible demons? No, they will inevitably blame their servants, with all the brutal consequences. Eviction, whipping, mutilation, execution. "Fun" for all around. And there is no way that the Red Jennies do not know that, not even with the sort of willful stupidity that Sera has going on.
 
Actually helping the "little people" would mean charity, "underground railroads" to get abused victims out of hot water, that sort of thing. Not "fun". Not "play". Not letting others take the fall for your actions while you run away cackling "ass-******-pants-LOLOLOL!!!!".
 
Also, what King Agamemnon says. That, too, is very much part of the 12-year-old-brat nonsense that I mentioned in my first post.


So she's a hypocrite because you don't understand how Friends of Red Jenny works. Ok, we've covered this already, and people that don't get it won't get it. Sera was wrong; it really is too complicated for some people.
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