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[Ryzaki]

Eh I don't care for her I just wish I could get the jar of bees without recruiting her. She's a waste of air as far as my Inquisitor is concerned.

 

Also her laugh is immensely annoying. Oh well.

[Eldial3los]

The only reason I still have her is that I can't stand her so I don't even want to go and kick her out.

I've had her in my party for quite a few hours hoping to like her more but it only made it worst. Jesus just get to the point when you talk.

If only I could sell her to slaves.

Seriously Skyhold should have giant hole in the middle so I can kick Sarah, Cole and Vivienne down it while screaming this is my inquisition.

Sarah = hyper annoying kid
Cole= weirdo, that seems to disagree with everything
Vivienne= wannabe diva with her own agenda. I don't care about your chantry/ mage view.

[Korva]

However, if you are suggesting that Sera (and everybody else) should just meekly submit and ignore injustice for fear of wanton reprisal hitting innocent targets... that's appalling.

 

No. I am saying that it's reprehensible not to consider the effect your actions have on other people who, unlike you, don't have the skill or means to just prance off giggling after you had your "fun". Do something, by all means. Sometimes, the "something" will be violent because there's no other way to be heard or to stop others from doing horrible things. But think. Make sure you're actually helping and not just stirring up **** for a cheap little power fantasy -- or at least admit it's the power fantasy you're after. And if the brown stuff hits the fan, take the blame for what you did rather than standing by while someone else is punished viciously in your place. Or, preferably, do your damndest to get them out of trouble before they can be punished. If you don't do that, then you hold yourself above the "little people" not unlike the abusers do, thinking you are more important than the maid or the cook or the wiper.

 

Thoughtless, short-sighted actions for "fun" and "profit" can easily do little more than cause extra work and hardship for the disenfranchised people whose side you're supposedly on.

 

 

At least there's some variety there, usually it's "she's psychotic".

 

This does bother me, yeah. People with actual mental health issues get enough crap without others constantly reinforcing the "mentally ill" = "bad/inferior" stereotype by throwing around accusations of "crazy", "psycho", or similar labels. Not to mention that I doubt more a fraction of people making remote "diagnoses" are actually certified medical professionals.

[Zeroth Angel]

I'm kind of curious for people that dislike Sera so much what character they like as a contrasting point of reference.

Does it really bother you that much that people dislike Sera? 

 

I mean I love Loghain but I don't really care that people dislike him.

[Dean_the_Young]

Yes! Exactly! See, you DO get it! This is privilege, and we have it. Fistfuls. Bucketfuls.

 

No one - not even you - would argue that your life is harder - or even just as hard! - as a Syrian refugee. Right? You wouldn't.

 

In what context? What measure? Whose holistic measure?

 

There are absolutely cultural frames of references that many people have in which being a Syrian refugee (or rather, a certain sort of Syrian refugee) is 'better' than being a decadent westerner.

 

 

So that was easy to admit to. We have privilege. I don't get why race privilege has to be such a sticking point. I don't get why it's so hard for people to admit to.

 

 

Because of how it often gets used as assign moral blame and responsibility onto people for things they didn't do, and the guilt of which is used as leverage to emotionally push people to do what other people want them to do.

 

 

 

Well, actually, I do. But the reasons are dumb and ridiculous - like Sera. Look, we're on topic, again. Anyway, I'm glad we're past it, and now we all have a clearer understanding of privilege.

 

 

You're welcome for that privilege of my understanding privilege, by the way.

 

Relish it.
 

[Dean_the_Young]

It is a 'net comic, not a dissertation, of course it's an oversimplification. Just wait 'till I post a bumper sticker.

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Go ahead. If you try and post it in substitute of an argument, though, expect it's oversimplifications and blind assumptions to be targeted.

 

You posted something you presumably thought was witty and accurate enough to be relevant. I disagreed. Much like I've disagreed with the ME3 'yo dawg' meme when it was used.

 

 

No, actually. I can recognize that the differences between individuals is insufficient to overcome the broader pattern. In some cases it barely even registers. We're "fortunate" here in that the appalling fiasco in Ferguson has brought out a significant amount of data illustrating the depth and breadth of the problem. I am certain you don't need my help to find it. Unsupported pleas of "individual differences" is like a candle in the noonday sun compared to that

 

 

It's a shame you believe that, but I respect your right to believe that collective anthormorphization is more relevant than collective individuals and contexts. Personally I was raised and taught that ignoring the individual in favor of group stereotyping (which is what collective anthromorophization is) was one of the intellectual sins of racism, but if you believe otherwise you believe otherwise. More power to you. (Unless you think that people with such a different viewpoint should have no power. In which case, am I expected to need to oppose you?)

 

Personally I'd suggest people take a different lesson about what the appalling fiasco in Ferguson actually was, which data and breadth are most relevant to defining what 'the problem' is, and of course what constitutes 'supported' or 'unsupported' pleas.

 

 

You cut the last sentence off, the one with the actual question: "Does erasing all previous frames somehow put them both on the same platform?"

 

 

Of course I did- what you gave was a leading question that ignored the flaws of your earlier assumption about what the comic was about.

 

The privilege comic isn't about putting people on the same platform. It doesn't even make any case as to why 'the platform' is even desirable. It's about assigning moral fault for why they are not both on the platform in the first place.

 

It was an irrelevant question on a weak foundation as a counter to my dismissal of the comic.

[vometia]

I have seen Sera get a substantial amount of hate. I just want to know why you hate her. Personally, I love her. She's crazy. I like crazy. 

I suppose I was surprised that not everyone shared my appreciation of her, but I guess I just instantly warmed to her because I seem to share her level of maturity and my jokes are about as good as hers (which is to say, not very! ) Curiously enough, I also seem to irritate people.

[KaiserShep]

But that's the problem. People complain about mages being dangerous, that's nothing compared to having a character like Sera running around murdering people left and right because she has the understanding of a child. At least mages are able to choose to use their magic for good.

 

But Sera doesn't go around killing people left and right. I'm not sure where this impression is coming from that she's some kind of mass-murdering psychopath that sticks arrows in everyone because she can. The first person that we see her kill in the game actually declared himself an enemy to the Inquisition somewhere in that Orlesian babbling, I guess in his last grasp for pomp or something, before she stuck him in the face, and the second was a scoundrel who was murdering the help. Considering that many oppose the Inquisition, likely blaming her/him for the death of Justinia, it makes sense that there would be a few enemies here and there, like that fop that challenges the Inquisitor to a duel out of the blue at Vivienne's little shindig.

[Danadenassis]

I can't for the life of me figure out why anyone would want to date someone like that. 

My Qunari finds her quite charming, but my Qunari is a sturdy woman, mentally and physically - she got room for someone as genuine and with an odd "heart in the sleeve" personality mixed with an uncertainty and nervousness when talking directly about emotional things. It is ok because Sera is more show than tell and her shows can be directed, just like with anyone else, just different than most.

 

My elf think differently and would agree with many in this thread that Sera is too erratic and do need a grown up sister so she could have someone that could take her seriously.

 

A sidenote: Dorian goes on my nerves out in the field with his grunting and shouts of exercions. It is cool though, because usually does all women in games act that way.

 

Another sidenote: Dorian got some of the same insecurity as Sera I guess, they just act it out differently...in addition to other differences of course.

[Korva]

Again, the actions you describe are those of irrational psychopaths. If those were commonly the result of Sera's actions, she wouldn't do it.

 

I think we should to agree to disagree here, because while you see consistent logic based on the writing, I see inconsistent writing. It's not psychopathy to react to theft, vandalism, reckless endangerment, etc. Overreacting would be, yes, but we are talking about immensely privileged people who have been told their entire lives that everyone else is "lesser" in every way, and a world in which brutal punishments are sadly very common and casual injustice even moreso. Acting on that is how they get targeted by the Jennies in the first place, so I just can't believe they wouldn't act on it even worse afterwards. Look at how even a mild "that was rather hurtful, can you please not do it again" criticism of abusive, unequal or even just thoughtless treatment of others often goes down in real life. We don't like being called out for our behavior. We certainly don't like to be humiliated by a string of "accidents" or thefts or whatnot.

 

Again, I encourage you to look up the pranking with the Inquisitor moment.

 

Okay, I did. I think it'll not come as a surprise that I dislike it. It doesn't strike me as malicious, and maybe in her nonsensical way she actually is trying to do a little good. But it's just so incredibly infantile. There are many better ways to make people feel better or fire them up for a fight, keep myself grounded and remind others that their vauted leader is still human.

 

I suppose I might just not be familiar enough with those stereotypes to be offended. Then again, I seem to remember one of their writers describing the process and they said they didn't choose which would be LIs until they already had the characters all roughed out. So I don't think she was deliberately written to be a stereotype.

 

The nasty thing about prejudice is that it affects us when when we don't mean them to.

 

All decent writers do research. When one is given a character who belongs to one or more marginalized groups that the writer does not, I'd expect that research to include problematic stereotypes and how to deal with them. (In fact, even if you're "writing what you know" because it's what you are, it's a good idea to double-check yourself for that -- internalized sexism/racism/homophobia is a thing.) Sera ... it just feels like no care went into her at all, like she's just another thoughtless caricature of what many straight guys think lesbians are or should be.

[Heimdall]

I think we should to agree to disagree here, because while you see consistent logic based on the writing, I see inconsistent writing. It's not psychopathy to react to theft, vandalism, reckless endangerment, etc. Overreacting would be, yes, but we are talking about immensely privileged people who have been told their entire lives that everyone else is "lesser" in every way, and a world in which brutal punishments are sadly very common and casual injustice even moreso. Acting on that is how they get targeted by the Jennies in the first place, so I just can't believe they wouldn't act on it even worse afterwards. Look at how even a mild "that was rather hurtful, can you please not do it again" criticism of abusive, unequal or even just thoughtless treatment of others often goes down in real life. We don't like being called out for our behavior. We certainly don't like to be humiliated by a string of "accidents" or thefts or whatnot.

I'll agree that sadistic lashings out at people that have done nothing is a common stereotype applied to people in positions of privilege, heaven forbid that most of them are actually emotionally stable individuals rather than irrationally violent monsters. I'll disagree that it's actually in any way universal or common, though it does happen. Like I said, it's often a noble's own servants that call on the Red Jennies. They are in a better position than you or I to know how their employer will react.
 

Okay, I did. I think it'll not come as a surprise that I dislike it. It doesn't strike me as malicious, and maybe in her nonsensical way she actually is trying to do a little good. But it's just so incredibly infantile. There are many better ways to make people feel better or fire them up for a fight, keep myself grounded and remind others that their vauted leader is still human.

Then you missed the point. The point was to demonstrate that Sera doesn't do these sorts of things thoughtlessly nor does she think her actions are without consequences. She actually quite carefully considers what those consequences will be.
 

The nasty thing about prejudice is that it affects us when when we don't mean them to.
 
All decent writers do research. When one is given a character who belongs to one or more marginalized groups that the writer does not, I'd expect that research to include problematic stereotypes and how to deal with them. (In fact, even if you're "writing what you know" because it's what you are, it's a good idea to double-check yourself for that -- internalized sexism/racism/homophobia is a thing.) Sera ... it just feels like no care went into her at all, like she's just another thoughtless caricature of what many straight guys think lesbians are or should be.

And I'll just have to completely disagree, since I think she's a great and carefully crafted character, her sexuality being entirely incidental. She may have rubbed you the wrong way, but she isn't a caricature.

[Seraphim24]

Does it really bother you that much that people dislike Sera? 

 

I mean I love Loghain but I don't really care that people dislike him.

 

Do I seem like I'm bothered? I think the first thread like this though there were pages upon pages of how they wish the murder knife was in game, or how they could torture her for a long time, or good god knows what else I stopped reading after awhile obviously. One guy basically probably logged around 50-80 posts about she was bigoted, racist, hateful, malicious, sociopathic.. can't even remember.

 

So.. I'm not bothered, but I'm kind of curious what's causing this gravity of hatred. This is very colorful language here. Moreover, if I don't like a character I usually just don't put them in the party and try to spend as little time with them as possible. Heck, it's not like you even have to post on the forums at all.

 

Additionally, there are characters just like her in other Bioware games like BG1, Edwin/Viconia, BG ToB with Sarevok, DA:O Sten, Morrigan kind of... just this sort of surge of dislike seems a bit random.

 

Finally, I wouldn't say I necessarily like her a ton either. It seems like too much Isabella in there. It strikes me as them straining outside of their element to create something they don't totally understand, or maybe are afraid to represent or.. I don't know.. whatever it is it's different though.

[robertthebard]

I think we should to agree to disagree here, because while you see consistent logic based on the writing, I see inconsistent writing. It's not psychopathy to react to theft, vandalism, reckless endangerment, etc. Overreacting would be, yes, but we are talking about immensely privileged people who have been told their entire lives that everyone else is "lesser" in every way, and a world in which brutal punishments are sadly very common and casual injustice even moreso. Acting on that is how they get targeted by the Jennies in the first place, so I just can't believe they wouldn't act on it even worse afterwards. Look at how even a mild "that was rather hurtful, can you please not do it again" criticism of abusive, unequal or even just thoughtless treatment of others often goes down in real life. We don't like being called out for our behavior. We certainly don't like to be humiliated by a string of "accidents" or thefts or whatnot.

So we should change Red Jenny to have a 600 question survey, to ascertain that they know that there could be consequences for their actions? Because at the end of the day, it is their actions that precipitate Red Jenny's involvement. They don't know who Sera is, this is evident from the dialog with the servant in Sera's personal quest, it's also evident, in the same conversation, that she doesn't know who "tips" her. Isn't this a little bit like a 911 operator having to have a full psyche eval before they send the police, an ambulance or the fire department? Before you go thinking that's extreme, the guy in the recruitment mission was trying to kill us, that's a situation where, all things considered, that 911 operator might have had to send all three.
 
 

Okay, I did. I think it'll not come as a surprise that I dislike it. It doesn't strike me as malicious, and maybe in her nonsensical way she actually is trying to do a little good. But it's just so incredibly infantile. There are many better ways to make people feel better or fire them up for a fight, keep myself grounded and remind others that their vauted leader is still human.

You're right, I'm not surprised. I'm not surprised because the whole pranks thing starts with a dialog with Sera, and based on your own posts, you really don't want to have a dialog with Sera, which is why I won't bother to search up and link the video here. I'll just point out the pertinent bit at the beginning: You have a problem. You have a bar full of people, drinking alone. That's her motivation for the pranks. Whether she's right or not, I can't say, but her motivation is to "take the people's mind of the end of the world.
 
 

The nasty thing about prejudice is that it affects us when when we don't mean them to.
 
All decent writers do research. When one is given a character who belongs to one or more marginalized groups that the writer does not, I'd expect that research to include problematic stereotypes and how to deal with them. (In fact, even if you're "writing what you know" because it's what you are, it's a good idea to double-check yourself for that -- internalized sexism/racism/homophobia is a thing.) Sera ... it just feels like no care went into her at all, like she's just another thoughtless caricature of what many straight guys think lesbians are or should be.

That truly is the worst part of prejudice. I challenge you to go back and read all of your posts where this issue is brought up, and see just how hard it can hit you when you don't mean it to. Because it's hitting you pretty hard. Her sexuality comes up one time in the game, if you flirt with her in Haven on a male Inquisitor, and it's not even a stereotypical way, it's just a flat out rejection of the advance, that tells you not to waste your time, she's not interested. You claim that her being a lesbian isn't an issue, and then go on to explain how her being a lesbian is an issue. You try to transfer that resentment to the writer, but then come right back to how her being a lesbian offends you, and you go into great detail about it.

I don't go into this discussion lightly. Every time I have directly engaged a member of the LGBT community, I have gotten a board warning. So you can bet that I have looked at what's presented, and agonized over how to best address it. Initially it was to ignore it, but you insist on wielding it like a sword, and everyone else seems to be too polite to point out that the issue may well be your own, in this instance. Sera was written, Sera then went up the chain of editors and had to be approved. Characters don't just get written and inserted into the game willy nilly, there is a process, and she made it through that process. If someone in that chain had found her to be unacceptable, she would have been rewritten. This is the same chain that had to approve every single character in the game. So I honestly believe that your issue with her sexuality, and the way she's presented, is your own. I can count the number of times that her sexuality has come up in this conversation, by unique posters, on one hand. The amount of times you reference it as a reason to hate her/dislike her cannot be counted on one hand. I'm not going to go look, but I'd be willing to bet that the number of times you don't reference it is far lower than the number of times you do.

[WarBaby2]

Ack... I think I reached my point of "meh" right now. Every time a game discussion "evolves" like that these days, I come to a point where all I can think of, is: "Remember when games where just fun?"

 

Seriously, though, I hope game writers overcome all those perceived "issues" soon, maybe we can go back to actually writing good stories then, not fuzzing over the correct representation of minorities/genders and what not... movies did it, I'm sure games can do it too.

[KaiserShep]

All decent writers do research. When one is given a character who belongs to one or more marginalized groups that the writer does not, I'd expect that research to include problematic stereotypes and how to deal with them. (In fact, even if you're "writing what you know" because it's what you are, it's a good idea to double-check yourself for that -- internalized sexism/racism/homophobia is a thing.) Sera ... it just feels like no care went into her at all, like she's just another thoughtless caricature of what many straight guys think lesbians are or should be.

 

The problem with this idea is that Sera's not overtly sexual in any way throughout the game. The only time her sexuality really comes to light is if a female Inquisitor coaxes her into doing so. Beyond that, much of her behavior and her various hangups are an entirely separate issue. She's defined much more by her issues on class and privilege, fear of the unknown as well as magic. As for other character flaws traits, such as her pranks and childish humor, these things just don't seem typical of what a straight man thinks about when thinking of a lesbian character, let alone what a lesbian should be.

[SomeoneStoleMyName]

Regardless of country, culture or societal hierarchy - there will always be "good" and "bad" people.

 

Sera does not understand that rich people are just people too. That they are enslaved by conformity, rules, tradition and laws (written and unwritten) just like the small folks. Sera seems to see a unified enemy in the rich and the powerful and overall and general pity for the weak and poor. 

Correct me if I'm wrong but my impression is that Sera is dangerously narrow-sighted and lacks wisdom and overall view. In my eyes, Sera is the bad kind of vigilante opposed to what (crude example) batman is (batman being the good kind of vigilante). Vigilante is not a bad word. Because law is not (realistically) equal. Laws and justice are flawed. So breaking the law is not evil in itself, but Sera is the kind of vigilante that is too subjective and egotistical.

[robertthebard]

The problem with this idea is that Sera's not overtly sexual in any way throughout the game. The only time her sexuality really comes to light is if a female Inquisitor coaxes her into doing so. Beyond that, much of her behavior and her various hangups are an entirely separate issue. She's defined much more by her issues on class and privilege, fear of the unknown as well as magic. As for other character flaws traits, such as her pranks and childish humor, these things just don't seem typical of what a straight man thinks about when thinking of a lesbian character.

As a straight man, I can affirm that pranks and childish humor are not what I think about when I think about lesbians.

However, as a straight man that used to bounce at a strip club, I can tell you that what I think about when I think of lesbians probably isn't the normal sexual fetish either. One of my bosses was a lesbian, and while we were roommates for a time, I was never really interested in being involved in her activities. I'm probably the exception on that count, rather than the rule. I guess that's the problem when people look more at the stereotypes than the people though.

[robertthebard]

Regardless of country, culture or societal hierarchy - there will always be "good" and "bad" people.
 
Sera does not understand that rich people are just people too. That they are enslaved by conformity, rules, tradition and laws (written and unwritten) just like the small folks. Sera seems to see a unified enemy in the rich and the powerful and overall and general pity for the weak and poor. 

Correct me if I'm wrong but my impression is that Sera is dangerously narrow-sighted and lacks wisdom and overall view. In my eyes, Sera is the bad kind of vigilante opposed to what (crude example) batman is.

Ok, but only because you asked to be corrected if you're wrong. Sera does not seek out nobles to hurt. People approach her, through Red Jenny. Those people don't know who she is, and she doesn't know who they are. It is a, mostly, mutually beneficial arrangement, that can backfire on those that contact her. The responsibility for that, however, does indeed lie with the people who contact her. I realize that being responsible for your own actions is anathema on the BSN but this doesn't make it factual.

[Heimdall]

Regardless of country, culture or societal hierarchy - there will always be "good" and "bad" people.

Sera does not understand that rich people are just people too. That they are enslaved by conformity, rules, tradition and laws (written and unwritten) just like the small folks. Sera seems to see a unified enemy in the rich and the powerful and overall and general pity for the weak and poor.

Correct me if I'm wrong but my impression is that Sera is dangerously narrow-sighted and lacks wisdom and overall view. In my eyes, Sera is the bad kind of vigilante opposed to what (crude example) batman is (batman being the good kind of vigilante). Vigilante is not a bad word. Because law is not (realistically) equal. Laws and justice are flawed. So breaking the law is not evil in itself, but Sera is the kind of vigilante that is too subjective and egotistical.

Actually, for the most part Sera does seem to evaluate the nobility on an individual basis. She doesn't act against nobles on principle, she only targets the people her "friends" tell her have actually been acting in a way that deserves it.

[SomeoneStoleMyName]

Ok, but only because you asked to be corrected if you're wrong. Sera does not seek out nobles to hurt. People approach her, through Red Jenny. Those people don't know who she is, and she doesn't know who they are. It is a, mostly, mutually beneficial arrangement, that can backfire on those that contact her. The responsibility for that, however, does indeed lie with the people who contact her. I realize that being responsible for your own actions is anathema on the BSN but this doesn't make it factual.

 

Well there are different moral systems and personal principles in place. I didnt have Sera enough in my party to come with valid enough criticisim. If Sera does not in fact just kill nobles blindly out of envy or "hate for authority", but does so in cases where people in power abuse that to hurt innocent people and have a cruel and poisonous personality - then I symphatize with Sera.

Like I said, my impression - is that she hates powerful and rich people by default. If she infact DOES dispense justice for valid reasons - this changes things. 

I really shouldnt have provided my opinion without having had her in my party enough. My own views and opinions on her is based on assumption more than evidence. Thats why I was open to being wrong from the start. Because my opinions are mostly shaped by first impressions and such which is ignorant in itself. 

[SomeoneStoleMyName]

Actually, for the most part Sera does seem to evaluate the nobility on an individual basis. She doesn't act against nobles on principle, she only targets the people her "friends" tell her have actually been acting in a way that deserves it.

If this is the case I consider her actions justifiable as law and justice does not equal right and wrong.

[robertthebard]

Well there are different moral systems and personal principles in place. I didnt have Sera enough in my party to come with valid enough criticisim. If Sera does not in fact just kill nobles blindly out of envy or "hate for authority", but does so in cases where people in power abuse that to hurt innocent people and have a cruel and poisonous personality - then I symphatize with Sera.

Like I said, my impression - is that she hates powerful and rich people by default. If she infact DOES dispense justice for valid reasons - this changes things. 

I really shouldnt have provided my opinion without having had her in my party enough. My own views and opinions on her is based on assumption more than evidence. Thats why I was open to being wrong from the start. Because my opinions are mostly shaped by first impressions and such which is ignorant in itself.

That's pretty much Red Jenny in a nutshell, from what we've been presented with to date. In Origins, the Warden can fill Sera's role, and we don't even have to kill any nobles to do so. In DA 2, Hawke can fill Sera's role, but we're killing gangs in each of the "quarters" in Kirkwall.

[Kinsz]

I have actually, I just can't be bothered to re-quote it every single time someone fails to understand that exchange.

Solas is full of it. He's being Elfy and pretentiousness, which Sera (and right thinking people everywhere) hate and Sera calls him on it. Does he back down? No, he doubles down and cranks the Elfy-pretentious all the way up to 11 with that "rhythm of the language" drivel. Sera explains:

Solas: Ar dirthan'as ir elgara, ma'sula e'var vhenan.
Sera: *fart noise*
Solas: Excuse me?
Sera: Excuse yourself, whatever you said and what I did, same difference to me.
Solas: I'd hoped, well, our people can sometimes feel the rhythm of the language despite lacking the vocabulary.
Sera: Uh huh? Know what else is good? Words that mean things. Like these, "words."
Solas: Fenedhis lasa.

Meh, so Elfy.

O i understood that exchange perfectly you seem to be the one who hasnt in fact ( most likely do not want to  because of bias )  , nothing you've  said disprove my point , her reaction was childish plain and simple. Solas was merely trying to bond with her ,no harm done, she could have just told him she didnt speak elvish in a different, more mature fashion.

 

By the by i like Sera unlike most here , her and all the inquisitors i have made so far have gotten along great but she IS childish and thats really not something anyone could argue.

[Zeroth Angel]

Do I seem like I'm bothered? I think the first thread like this though there were pages upon pages of how they wish the murder knife was in game, or how they could torture her for a long time, or good god knows what else I stopped reading after awhile obviously. One guy basically probably logged around 50-80 posts about she was bigoted, racist, hateful, malicious, sociopathic.. can't even remember.

 

So.. I'm not bothered, but I'm kind of curious what's causing this gravity of hatred. This is very colorful language here. Moreover, if I don't like a character I usually just don't put them in the party and try to spend as little time with them as possible. Heck, it's not like you even have to post on the forums at all.

 

Additionally, there are characters just like her in other Bioware games like BG1, Edwin/Viconia, BG ToB with Sarevok, DA:O Sten, Morrigan kind of... just this sort of surge of dislike seems a bit random.

 

Finally, I wouldn't say I necessarily like her a ton either. It seems like too much Isabella in there. It strikes me as them straining outside of their element to create something they don't totally understand, or maybe are afraid to represent or.. I don't know.. whatever it is it's different though.

Well maybe bothered wasn't the right word to use but I remember you posting something not so positive about the DA:I forums in the anime and manga thread just around the time you were arguing with people in one of the Sera threads before this one. So that's why I used the word bothered but since that is not the case, my apologies for presuming  .

 

Doesn't this happen with every BW companion though? I remember that there was I think 6 months ago or so a person who said that they wished they could give Anora to the Elves in Denerim and let them kill her while Loghain watches (that's actually pretty mild). It's not just Loghain of course but a lot of other characters too. BW fans tend to be very extreme when it comes to the companions they dislike. 

 

And I'm sure that in a year (probably even less) all the Sera hate will have calmed down.

[Seraphim24]

Well maybe bothered wasn't the right word to use but I remember you posting something not so positive about the DA:I forums in the anime and manga thread just around the time you were arguing with people in one of the Sera threads before this one. So that's why I used the word bothered but since that is not the case, my apologies for presuming  .

 

Doesn't this happen with every BW companion though? I remember that there was I think 6 months ago or so a person who said that they wished they could give Anora to the Elves in Denerim and let them kill her while Loghain watches (that's actually pretty mild). It's not just Loghain of course but a lot of other characters too. BW fans tend to be very extreme when it comes to the companions they dislike. 

 

And I'm sure that in a year (probably even less) all the Sera hate will have calmed down.

 

I don't think I was really arguing in that one either. Now see I don't know about those other times, but if you say it's common well ok.

 

I guess you have me curious there as here. Now that you say it's because a lot of BW fans tend to fantasize a bunch about murdering/raping/maiming characters at times, I'm kind of just surprised generally about that gravity of hatred in general.

 

Most fans are pretty extreme, I've noticed, but usually around the things they like, it seems to me, not what they don't like.

 

I mean really, if I don't like a character.. I don't play them... if I don't like most of the characters in a game.. I don't play it... seems simple enough. Especially if I really don't like a character.

 

There was one other reason though I wanted to know what characters they liked if they disliked Sera though and what was to see whether or not I liked those characters.