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[hairlessOrphan]

When Sera first meet you she says "Uh you're an elf, I hope you're not too elfy," Her telling you about her people comes later in the conversation. She has already made a preconception of you just because you're an elf. I understand she may define herself as an accident, being an elf. But that point is moot, because the entire point of this thread was to post why you dislike Sera and I did. One of the reasons I dislike her was because she dislike her own people (elves). No matter if she thinks of herself as an elf or not, it's annoying how she disdains them being one herself (biologically).  

 

I find this fascinating. Do you think of her as a race traitor, or something?

[luism]

I take it sera is the jar jar binks of the inquisition

I like her but she reminds me of a female me. She even hates raisins like I do.

[Nathair Nimheil]

What happens between these two?

If Sera were actually about group identity then Josephine would represent The Enemy; toffee-nosed Royal courtier, absolutely steeped in Orlesian aristocracy... but Sera likes her. Sera also has a lot of very friendly banter with the heir-to-the-Nevarran-throne-Seeker-of-the-Establishment Cassandra. And, etc. Sera cares about what you do.

[KaiserShep]

When Sera first meet you she says "Uh you're an elf, I hope you're not too elfy," Her telling you about her people comes later in the conversation. She has already made a preconception of you just because you're an elf. I understand she may define herself as an accident, being an elf. But that point is moot, because the entire point of this thread was to post why you dislike Sera and I did. One of the reasons I dislike her was because she dislike her own people (elves). No matter if she thinks of herself as an elf or not, it's annoying how she disdains them being one herself (biologically).  

 

I guess another thing here is that a little meta-knowledge can go a long way with understanding her response, because after playing the City Elf origin, I can really see why some elves would really want to distance themselves from the culture inherent with that background, because it flat out sucks. Add to that the self-righteousness exhibited by the Dalish and their hangups over ancient history and you have a fair list of reasons why some elves who grew up around humans and the poor of all stripes would show a great deal of disdain. You can kind of get that idea from her when she describes Solas as having his head crammed up a thousand years ago. I can only imagine what she'd think of Merrill.

[Heimdall]

When Sera first meet you she says "Uh you're an elf, I hope you're not too elfy," Her telling you about her people comes later in the conversation. She has already made a preconception of you just because you're an elf. I understand she may define herself as an accident, being an elf. But that point is moot, because the entire point of this thread was to post why you dislike Sera and I did. One of the reasons I dislike her was because she dislike her own people (elves). No matter if she thinks of herself as an elf or not, it's annoying how she disdains them being one herself (biologically).

Gee, I wonder how many times this will need to be explained.

Sera does not hate elves. She hates Dalish arrogance, the "us versus them" attitude towards humans, and the assumption of shared kinship because she's an elf. If you dig deeper, you'll see this. That's what she means by "elfy". She doesn't hate elves as a race.

[hairlessOrphan]

I don't think he's saying they are. He's saying that Sera isn't tribal. Her feelings toward the common man are ideological, not part of a tribal identity.

 

Yeah, and I'm saying her feelings are both. In fact, when her ideology centers around a social identity...

[Heimdall]

If Sera were actually about group identity then Josephine would represent The Enemy; toffee-nosed Royal courtier, absolutely steeped in Orlesian aristocracy... but Sera likes her. Sera also has a lot of very friendly banter with the heir-to-the-Nevarran-throne-Seeker-of-the-Establishment Cassandra. And, etc. Sera cares about what you do.

That's the funny thing about Sera, she gets along with just about everyone except Vivene (I think she even gets along with Dorian but I don't remember the banter) and Solas. Hell, she really doesn't like Cole but Cole seems to love the inside of her head

[KaiserShep]

Sera likes Dorian, and describes him as "fun" to the Inquisitor. In banter, Dorian will argue with Sera a lot about magic, at which point Sera will actually say that she likes him, but she just doesn't like his magic. I'm pretty certain that the only characters that she has anything negative to say about to the Inquisitor directly are Solas and Vivienne, more so the latter. "She's a b****, and she knows it, or she better."

Edit: Cole! "That thing's just wrong."

[Nathair Nimheil]

When Sera first meet you she says "Uh you're an elf, I hope you're not too elfy," Her telling you about her people comes later in the conversation. She has already made a preconception of you just because you're an elf.

No. She's worried because you are a Dalish elf. When she says "elfy" she means "Typically-Dalish-all-about-being-a-racist-elf-traditionalist." What's more, she doesn't just assume that you are, she says she hopes you are not.

 

No matter if she thinks of herself as an elf or not, it's annoying how she disdains them being one herself (biologically).

She doesn't. Dalism(?) is cultural and ideological. It is not biological.

[Heimdall]

So there you have it, she gets along with nobles and mages just fine as long as they aren't arrogant snobs

[Vylix]

I think I'd like Sera if I were not playing a Dalish. Half the **** is already rubbed in our inquisitor's face enough without her doing it as well, yet we have insufficient reactions in my opinion. Like for example the end of the Solas romance, The inquisitor should be pretty upset as is she doesn't need Sera laughing to her face about the Vallaslin. One of my elf characters wouldn't care much, she's less elfy anyways, but playing as a more elfy elf I kind of wish there was a response to kick her from the inquisition (or even slap her. we do get to punch Solas in some circumstances after all) directly related to her being a twit about that.

The double standards also irk me. If i say "An elf stands for all of us" she disapproves, but when my fiance says "A dwarf stands for all of us" she approves.

 

But non elf play through? Yeah, after I've gotten use to how she says everything from my other characters I think I'd enjoy having her around more.

[Battlebloodmage]

Sera likes Dorian, and describes him as "fun" to the Inquisitor. In banter, Dorian will argue with Sera a lot about magic, at which point Sera will actually say that she likes him, but she just doesn't like his magic. I'm pretty certain that the only characters that she has anything negative to say about to the Inquisitor directly are Solas and Vivienne, more so the latter. "She's a b****, and she knows it, or she better."

Sera doesn't hate Vivienne as much as Cole though. At least, she'd still try to troll Vivienne. With Cole, Sera refuses to even speak to him and call him "that thing" and "it". Cole is the only one who can actually troll and ****** Sera off.

[KaiserShep]

No. She's worried because you are a Dalish elf. When she says "elfy" she means "Typically-Dalish-all-about-being-a-racist-elf-traditionalist." What's more, she doesn't just assume that you are, she says she hopes you are not.

 

I admit, I have a hard time liking the Dalish at all. My PC's are typically diplomatic to this lot, but just doesn't have a bleeding heart for them. Half of the time I wipe out Merrill's clan because it's morbidly cathartic XD

[10K]

I'm so done with this I'm not even taking about Dalish culture, I'm taking about why I dislike Sera. I have already said my peace, it's pointless to drag this on. 

[KaiserShep]

Sera doesn't hate Vivienne as much as Cole though. At least, she'd still try to troll Vivienne. With Cole, Sera refuses to even speak to him and call him "that thing" and "it". Cole is the only one who can actually troll and ****** Sera off.

 

Man, I just cannot for the life of me remember that Cole exists.

[Heimdall]

Sera doesn't hate Vivienne as much as Cole though. At least, she'd still try to troll Vivienne. With Cole, Sera refuses to even speak to him and call him "that thing" and "it". Cole is the only one who can actually troll and ****** Sera off.

To be fair, I think about half her dislike for him is specifically because he keeps digging around in her head. (And he is SO happy when she finally slips and uses "him")

And he seems totally oblivious to it. I feel like I'm looking at two young siblings in the backseat of a car when they banter: "Make it annoy someone else!"

[hairlessOrphan]

Man, I just cannot for the life of me remember that Cole exists.

 

I think Cole has the best banter, not because he's entertaining by himself, but because he tells you things about all the other characters that you wouldn't find out otherwise. Glimpses of Blackwall's past, Vivienne's past, and etc...

[KaiserShep]

I think Cole has the best banter, not because he's entertaining by himself, but because he tells you things about all the other characters that you wouldn't find out otherwise. Glimpses of Blackwall's past, Vivienne's past, and etc...

Yeah this is what makes him interesting, but I just keep forgetting about him in these discussions.

 

I guess the thing about Cole in my playthrough was that he became more of a mirror of the other characters, rather than a character himself.

[AresKeith]

No. She's worried because you are a Dalish elf. When she says "elfy" she means "Typically-Dalish-all-about-being-a-racist-elf-traditionalist." What's more, she doesn't just assume that you are, she says she hopes you are not.

 

I have noticed that she generally used that word when it involved Dalish stuff

[Nathair Nimheil]

I have already said my peace, it's pointless to drag this on.

And yet here you are...

[Heimdall]

Yeah this is what makes him interesting, but I just keep forgetting about him in these discussions.
 
I guess the thing about Cole in my playthrough was that he became more of a mirror of the other characters, rather than a character himself.

Befits his nature as a spirit though.

[KaiserShep]

It does, but it does make him a bit harder for me to remember

[hairlessOrphan]

Yeah this is what makes him interesting, but I just keep forgetting about him in these discussions.

 

I guess the thing about Cole in my playthrough was that he became more of a mirror of the other characters, rather than a character himself.

 

Yeah, this exactly. He was definitely more of an idea than a full character. But that was ok with me because I thought the idea was well-executed - he lifted the lid in some surprising and unexpected ways and gave me a different way to look at some of the other characters.

[Pacman]

Edit: Cole! "That thing's just wrong."

 

If you make Cole human she will start calling him "he" if you ask her about Cole in skyhold. There is also a banter between Cole and Sera about it with Inquisitor being able to participate, plus when in skyhold he can read Sera's mind to you and it says something along the lines of 'called him "him"'.

 

Does that mean that Sera actually grows as a character, since she accepts someone else and changes her opinion about them over the course of the game?