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[Ryzaki]

So she stuck to her convictions which is slightly less agonizing than romancing Merrill while also raising her rivalry stats by denying her help with the Eluvian? Why do the elven characters always have to be so needy? 

 

Yes, Sera is annoying on a whole new level because she poops on every holy and magical belief in Thedas. But she's young, impoverished, grew up around the 5th Blight and saw the Mage/Templar war happen. That doesn't guarantee a good attitude from the downtrodden. She's worse than Scully in X-Files but only because she's dumber than dirt and wishes to remain ignorant. Welcome to a fantastic medieval world.

 

That's...not sticking to her convictions. The elven PC wasn't pushing their beliefs on her. They weren't making her believe. Hell they don't even bring it up. It's Sera. She brings it up, and then she wants you to agree with her (I guess because she has so little faith in her belief that she needs that validity and when you don't she rejects you).

 

Hell know that I think about it one of the first wartable missions you can get is helping some sleazy noble by either harassing the refugees into moving from his land or using Cullen's soldiers to protect him instead of them! Does Sera object? NOPE.

 

Except every other member of the Inquisition manages to avoid that.

[Primalrose]

I think Sera is a very well written character. The fact that she provokes a strong reaction in so many players is proof of that alone. She is a quirky, uneducated lowborn, trying to survive the best she can and understand the world. Her weirdness is tolerable after a while, although it does feel like you're keeping a child in line.

[Andreas Amell]

That's...not sticking to her convictions. The elven PC wasn't pushing their beliefs on her. They weren't making her believe. Hell they don't even bring it up. It's Sera. She brings it up, and then she wants you to agree with her (I guess because she has so little faith in her belief that she needs that validity and when you don't she rejects you).

Hell know that I think about it one of the first wartable missions you can get is helping some sleazy noble by either harassing the refugees into moving from his land or using Cullen's soldiers to protect him instead of them! Does Sera object? NOPE.

Except every other member of the Inquisition manages to avoid that.

I don't think any companion has reacted to choices made on the War Table outside their own quests.

Sera was sticking to her beliefs, or rather her skepticism. She reacted to the appearance of Corypheus with denial and she denied anything sacred about the Temple of Mythal.

[NakedEmperor]

Because she reminds me of Vicky Pollard from little brittain

 

[LaughingBanana]

Laughing at my Lavellan after she's heartbroken due to finding out the meaning of the slave tattoo and breaking up with Solas? After that one-two gut punch? Even after my Lavellan accomodate her--hell, even playing along with her jokes?

 

Not cool.

[Heimdall]

Laughing at my Lavellan after she's heartbroken due to finding out the meaning of the slave tattoo and breaking up with Solas? After that one-two gut punch? Even after my Lavellan accomodate her--hell, even playing along with her jokes?

Not cool.

Watch the scene more carefully next time.

1. Sera doesn't know Solas broke up with Lavellan, she makes it clear she doesn't know what happened. Expecting sensitivity on that point is on you.

2. Sera laughs at the Dalish but actually goes out of her way to say that she isn't laughing at Lavellan, telling her she's better off now because she knows better. Insensitive timing? Yes, but she assumes the Inquisitor without the tattoos is no longer such a fan of Dalish culture, I'd think the same.

[LaughingBanana]

Watch the scene more carefully next time.

1. Sera doesn't know Solas broke up with Lavellan, she makes it clear she doesn't know what happened. Expecting sensitivity on that point is on you.

2. Sera laughs at the Dalish but actually goes out of her way to say that she isn't laughing at Lavellan, telling her she's better off now because she knows better. Insensitive timing? Yes, but she assumes the Inquisitor without the tattoos is no longer such a fan of Dalish culture, I'd think the same.

 

Well, to tell you the truth, she actually kind of grew on me. I enjoyed taking her to the field and hear her various banters with various characters. I even like her pranking scene and made my Lavellan participate in it.

 

It's just that occasionally what she says really annoy me.

 

And besides, how come she doesn't know Solas broke up with Lavellan? If she doesn't know, then from where she gains information about the tattoo being a slave mark? The *only* time it came up is when Solas breaking it up with Lavellan.

[Sully13]

Who cares.

[Heimdall]

Well, to tell you the truth, she actually kind of grew on me. I enjoyed taking her to the field and hear her various banters with various characters. I even like her pranking scene and made my Lavellan participate in it.
 
It's just that occasionally what she says really annoy me.
 
And besides, how come she doesn't know Solas broke up with Lavellan? If she doesn't know, then from where she gains information about the tattoo being a slave mark? The *only* time it came up is when Solas breaking it up with Lavellan.

Because you tell her, in that same conversation.

[LaughingBanana]

Because you tell her, in that same conversation.

 

Hahaha.

 

It's been a while, I forget. Shame on me.

 

Regardless, I think it's inappropriate for her to disparage Lavellan like that.

[Nathair Nimheil]

Hence Sera choose to laugh at the Inquisitor's face when she learn about the meaning of Vallaslin. Talk about rubbing salt into fresh wounds.

Except that she doesn't. She laughs at the Dalish. She specifically says "You know now but all those Dalish ..."

[Nathair Nimheil]

Whatever bad experience she had with other elves, she now associates with the Inquisitor.

No. There is a specific attitude and point of view which Sera loathes. It is the common ethos of the Dalish which is why she disdains the Dalish. Now the Inquisitor is openly embracing that exact same belief and, guess what, Sera still loathes it.

Seriously, why is this so hard to grasp? From the first time you meet her Sera has been absolutely open about hating "Elfiness", "When fairy stories make your ears droop for lost glory, but "glory" squats in the woods and smells like halla arse." She hates Elven supremacists, elven separatists, elven exceptionalism. So when you say "Hey! You know I think that whole Dalish idea might be right!" what do you expect? She says "This doesn't fit, can't fit! I'm not Elfy!" and she's right: It doesn't fit. It won't fit.

Say you've been dating someone who, since the day you met her, has been prominently skeptical. She wears "Keep America Secular" t-shirts and has a Carl Sagan tattoo. So, one day, you come home and say "Hey, you know what? I saw a video of this Ken Ham guy and maybe Darwin was all wrong, maybe the Earth really is six thousand years old and people really did use to ride dinosaurs and Ima start sending money to that Ark park he's building, whadda you think hon?" What exactly would you expect to happen? A long and happy relationship founded on her thinking you're a credulous moron and you thinking that she's a closed minded blasphemer?

There is a reason "irreconcilable differences" and "incompatibility" are a common legal shorthand for "reasons a marriage is over".
 

It seems she can't understand there are some people who accept each other, regardless of personal beliefs or religion.

There's a big difference between understanding that some people can accept each other if they differ on some beliefs and demanding that she must continue to find you attractive and remain in an intimate relationship even if she loathes your particular beliefs. For some people some beliefs are simply beyond the Pale. There is no rational reason to expect or require otherwise. How would you react if your new gf started wearing Che Guevara shirts or Ayn Rand shirts or attending KKK rallies or going to Occupy protests or donating money to NOM or to Planned Parenthood or joined PETA or started eating meat or...

Principles. Sera has them.

[Heimdall]

Hahaha.

 

It's been a while, I forget. Shame on me.

 

Regardless, I think it's inappropriate for her to disparage Lavellan like that.

Well, yeah, she's tactless and a bit insensitive, but it isn't the monstrous act some people make it out to be.

[WildOrchid]

Principles. Sera has them.

 

Everyone has principles. Some doon't agree with them, some do. I just wish people could see why Sera acts that way, or even accept her principles and move on. I mean, Solas is a race supermachist (sp?) or Dorian who believes slavery is good (correct me if i'm wrong) I don't see anyone questioning them. Nobody is perfect. But oh god the moment Sera says she doesn't like dalish "culture" or even ass&ole nobles, everyone wants to burn her and also her being faithful to her beliefs. I don't know if i should laugh or cry.

 

So it's really Sera's way of talking or brutal honesty that puts people off? I just don't know. Half the posters here complain about Sera's way of talking or being "rude" because lol. That's how Sera talks. She calls everything stupid, even the cookies she makes. That's her way of talking instead of the pompous way some do.

[Ryzaki]

I don't think any companion has reacted to choices made on the War Table outside their own quests.

Sera was sticking to her beliefs, or rather her skepticism. She reacted to the appearance of Corypheus with denial and she denied anything sacred about the Temple of Mythal.

 

True enough. But the other companions don't give you "don't believe X or we're not friends." ultimatums either.

 

Really? What part of believing something meant rejecting all others that didn't?

 

Not staying in a romance? That's fair.

 

Saying after all you did for her you can't even remain friends? Uh...

 

But yeah I'm very grateful you can kick her out whenever and she has no impact on the plot. I only wish I could've gotten a another tempest rogue to fill her spot.

[Darth Death]

The fact that she seemingly invokes so much hate is a clear sign that she is an excellently done character. A badly done character wouldn't be able to get such a reaction.

Personally she's one of my favourites for this very reason, as well as being a delight when you're on good terms with her.

I disagree with this notion. It isn't hard to create a character that everyone hates, no, it's much easier to do that. If there's any credit I can give concerning her character, it's that she's believable. 

[dreamgazer]

She was intentionally created to be abrasive, petulant, and lowborn, so it doesn't surprise me that there are people who dislike her.

I don't happen to be one of 'em.

[WildOrchid]

True enough. But the other companions don't give you "don't believe X or we're not friends." ultimatums either.

 

Really? What part of believing something meant rejecting all others that didn't?

 

She remains friends with the others/ except elf. She has huge issues with dalish elves due to her wounded past (her line to dalish after the break up points that), i don't know why it's so hard to grasp.

If you break up with her as human or qunari or dwarf, she still wants to be friends with you if you ask it. Hell, I even got an approval for asking it.

[Ryzaki]

She remains friends with the others/ except elf. She has huge issues with dalish elves due to her wounded past (her line to dalish after the break up points that), i don't know why it's so hard to grasp.

If you break up with her as human or qunari or dwarf, she still wants to be friends with you if you ask it.

 

I'm not sure why this is okay because she only is like that to one race?

 

If a bi LI was sexist to one gender would "well he's not sexist to the other!" seriously fly as an excuse?

[WildOrchid]

I'm not sure why this is okay because she only is like that to one race?

 

If a bi LI was sexist to one gender would "well he's not sexist to the other!" seriously fly as an excuse?

 

Because, god, she has issues with dalish elves as i've said. That's it. I'm not saying it's ok, but that's how Sera works. She wants to stay far away from something that f00ked her past over, as much as possible because it pains her.

 

Besides it's not like she broke up with you via fight or something. She took it calmly, even begged you and it came to an end. That's it. That's what irl people do, believe it or not.

[Ryzaki]

Because, god, she has issues with dalish elves as i've said. That's it. I'm not saying it's ok, but that's how Sera works. She wants to stay far away from something that f00ked her past over, as much as possible because it pains her.

 

Because we all know the dalish Inquisitor who has done nothing but help her at this point has screwed her over by daring to believe the temple of Mythal might've been based in some truth.

 

 

Besides it's not like she broke up with you via fight or something. She took it calmly, even begged you and it came to an end. That's it. That's what irl people do, believe it or not.

 

This is not what I have an issue with. It's the "we can't be friends." afterwards after she made her ultimatum "you really gonna let what I feel about some ruins end our relationship?" Refusing to be even friends with someone after all you've gone through because they feel differently about some ruins than you do? Really? You weren't even friends in the first place at that point.

 

It's not even like the PC brings it up and tries to convert her.

[WildOrchid]

Because we all know the dalish Inquisitor who has done nothing but help her at this point has screwed her over by daring to believe the temple of Mythal might've been based in some truth.

 

Yep. Limits exist in relationships and Sera's limit was the dalish thing.

We all have them, no matter how good the other person was to you.

[Ryzaki]

Yep. Limits exist in relationships and Sera's limit was the dalish thing.

We all have them, no matter how good the other person was to you.

 

I never said limits weren't okay or that her breaking up with the Quizzy wasn't realistic? I simply said it's absurd she refuses to remain friends and she wasn't ever a friend to end a friendship over something she refused to drop.

[WildOrchid]

It's not even like the PC brings it up and tries to convert her.

 

I'll admit, that scene should've have had a compromise or something, but really that was the writing.

 

Or for teh dramaz.....

[Elanor]

At first I couldn't stand her. I didn't understand what she was saying to me. xd 

After some time I started to kinda like her. She's annoying though, I have to admit it but she has good moments. I like a pranks and sitting on roof thing. 

 

What is happening when you don't agree with her? Did she leave you? Or it's just rival relation with her?