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[Steelcan]

It's too bad he turned out to be a huge liar in the end.

he lied about who he was, but I see no reason to believe he manufactured a personality and maintained it as an illusion.

[Hazegurl]

I am bit surprised someone wants to kill her. You that do, do you find it so dangerous that if you don't like a woman do you have to kill her? Why not just kick her out of the inquisition?

I don't want her dead, but let's be fair. She does threaten first. Multiple times in fact. I can understand an Inquisitor just outright murder knifing her while in close quarters so that he/she doesn't end up with an arrow in the back.

[Heimdall]

he lied about who he was, but I see no reason to believe he manufactured a personality and maintained it as an illusion.

"Oh I'm just an apostate elf that happened to be nearby, I certainly didn't cause this whole mess in the first place, and I certainly don't know who Cory- I mean the Elder One is."

[robertthebard]

"Oh I'm just an apostate elf that happened to be nearby, I certainly didn't cause this whole mess in the first place, and I certainly don't know who Cory- I mean the Elder One is."

That was my first take as well. However, barring the obvious, glaring lies, we don't know what he's actually like "as a person" when he's not busy tricking us into believing he's not who he is. In fact, tricking us into believing he's "innocent" would seem to fit right into who I understand Fen' Harrel to be. Hope I spelled that right, I think that's first time I actually remembered his name...

[KaiserShep]

he lied about who he was, but I see no reason to believe he manufactured a personality and maintained it as an illusion.

Why not? His entire facade is a huge front, and he knew exactly why all of this was happening, but chose to keep it to himself.

[DKJaigen]

he lied about who he was, but I see no reason to believe he manufactured a personality and maintained it as an illusion.

 

Yeah that's a bit understandable because if you approach people and say your an elven god i will likely raise a few eyebrows.

[AzureAardvark]

Yeah that's a bit understandable because if you approach people and say your an elven god i will likely raise a few eyebrows.

 

We would need a new word; awkward doesn't come close to covering it.

[sangy]

I don't thnk Sera is the problem.  I think the problem is the approval/disapproval system.  I can't say I'm too thrilled about it.  I'd rather get comments from them then an actual in text-on-screen "disapproves".  No matter how mean or nice you are in the game, somebody has an issue with your decisions.  Maybe I balanced things out, because I haven't upset anyone enough to walk away from the Inquisition, but it's still odd.

 

Sera, for one, was a nightmare for me to romance on my first play through.  Things didn't work out, I don't know how, but I messed up.  Second play through went much easier with Cassandra.  Let me say, Bioware did a great job with the characters, in my opinion.  The romances were not as epic as one might hope.  I think DA2 romances were best of all DA installments.  It's not a huge deal.  I just think for this installment, friendships seem stronger than romances.

 

DA:I romances are more similar to DA:O, but DA:O offered a lot more flirting and comments with almost no penalty until you made a final decision.  The fact that I tried to win Sera over as best I could and failed after 115 hours of game play was a bit disappointing.

[Grieving Natashina]

We would need a new word; awkward doesn't come close to covering it.

"That would be...problematic."--Mordin Solus

[Steelcan]

Why not? His entire facade is a huge front, and he knew exactly why all of this was happening, but chose to keep it to himself.

I just don't see a reason to think his true personality is any different than the one he gives off as Solas.

[Zwingtanz]

The prank and rooftop moments as a normally overserious Inquisitor were funny and cute. Otherwise she just reminds me of memes about British people.

[vometia]

The prank and rooftop moments as a normally overserious Inquisitor were funny and cute. Otherwise she just reminds me of memes about British people.

British people don't call biscuits "cookies", though. Or junior officers "loo-tennants". Bloody lootennants. Bloody bloody. Arse biscuits, etc. By which I mean biscuits and not dumplings. Or maybe turds. Actually, no.

Edit: I also wish that the Inquisitor with the Laaaahnden accent didn't sound quite so much like a newsreader interviewing someone.

Modifié par vometia, 18 décembre 2014 - 05:19 .

[AzureAardvark]

"That would be...problematic."--Mordin Solus

 

I'm guessing this would not be the thread for a scale itch joke. Pity. :/

[Shimmer_Gloom]

One more page! One more page!

[robertthebard]

One more page! One more page!

Then we have to turn around and start over???

[AzureAardvark]

Then we have to turn around and start over???

 

Not start over; go deeper.

 

SERACEPTION

[LobselVith8]

The "speculation" is based on "Sera Approves" or "Sera Disapproves". How can one confuse what she likes/doesn't like when the game goes so far as to tell you, based on those reactions, and the better question here is, really, how you don't equate referring to City Elves as flat ears anything but a superiority complex? The whole "We're Dalish, and we're better than Shems and flat ears" stands out, especially in DA O. It's apparent when dealing with Merrill's clan, but not to the same extent as what we learn about the Dalish in the first game.

 

Let's not pretend your interpretation about why Sera approves or disapproves is anything but speculation. Or, more accurately, condemning the Dalish and Briala because it paints an ugly picture of Briala if we consider other reasons to explain why she dislikes being "elfy" (which is like someone telling me they dislike me being so "Latinio-y") or has nothing but disdain for Briala while knowing next to nothing about who she actually is.

 

Furthermore, let's not pretend that being Dalish means automatically thinking you're better than everyone else. That's as asinine as thinking that being an Andrastian human automatically means that you're a racist who thinks that elves aren't people.

 

We've met enough Dalish to know better. Merrill is the elven companion in Dragon Age II who explicitly notes that the plight of the Alienage elves matters, and she devotes her time to help them in Inquisition after they've lost their homes.

 

First you say she doesn't oppose the other "faith based" choices, now you say she opposes them? Which is it? I know for a fact that she approves of ruling as one of the people, because I got it on my Dalish rogue.

 

You seem confused. I addressed the race based dialogue when I pointed out that she has no problem with the Dwarf or Vashoth saying virtually the exact same thing when becoming Inquisitor.

 

Both of which are looked down upon by their Dalish equivalents, yes? The dwarves of Orzammar("Dalish equivalent) look down on surface dwarves, and the Qunari(Dalish equivalent) look down on Tal Vashoth. Both are the same, in Sera's eyes, to the way the Dalish act. So yes, she feels some kinship with the dwarf and Tal Vashoth Inquisitors, with the added bonus of she very definitely seems to prefer the Tal Vashoth PC.

 

You mean the Tal-Vashoth by the Qunari, and the surface dwarves by the dwarves of the Great Thaig of Orzammar? As much as some of the city elves denigrate the Dalish as "savages" and how some of the Andrastian humans revile them as "heathens". Which leads back to the problematic issue of her disapproving of dialogue simply because an elven Inquisitor uses the word 'elf', while she has no problem with the Dwarf, Vashoth, or even mage using the same line.

 

There's not a lot to misunderstand about Briala. She gains Sera's disapproval by pointing at her ears and going "see, I'm the same as you". Only she's not the same. She got where she is by sleeping with Celene, even while Celene was purging her alienage. It sure doesn't seem, based on that, that we can take Briala at face value. She will, after all, watch her entire culture be wiped out and do nothing in order to preserve her station.

 

First of all, I have trouble believing you even read TME if you think that statement is even remotely true. Second, Briala turned her back on Celene precisely because she chose the elves over Celene. She claimed the Orlesian Eluvians "for the elves of Orlais". She even extends an offer to Mihris that she will work with the Dalish on the condition that there's equality for the Dalish and the Andrastian elves.

 

How is that, in any way shape or form like Sera?

 

I agree. They are nothing alike. Briala is actually trying to help the elves, for example, while Sera is more interested in her schemes with the Friends of Red Jenny.

 

I mean, we've just been through how Sera will dump the Inquisitor over the Creators stuff at the end of the game. Doesn't that show that Sera is all about her own principles and ideals, making her the opposite of Briala, who truly was in it for herself.

 

Yes, Sera will dump the elven Inquisitor over her religious beliefs. Which paints a very, very ugly picture of Sera.

 

Because despite all the "I'm in it for the Elves" rhetoric, who immediately benefits? Briala, and she's willing to pay any cost to make sure she gets it, including the lives of the people she's supposed to be in it for.

 

Briala turned her back on Celene's offer to give Briala a nobility status because she felt that Celene would slight the elves, and chose to champion their cause. Pretending that Briala is only interested in it for herself - despite both TME and the Epilogues proving otherwise - does your argument little credit.

[Hazegurl]

Furthermore, let's not pretend that being Dalish means automatically thinking you're better than everyone else. That's as asinine as thinking that being an Andrastian human automatically means that you're a racist who thinks that elves aren't people.

 

We've met enough Dalish to know better. Merrill is the elven companion in Dragon Age II who explicitly notes that the plight of the Alienage elves matters, and she devotes her time to help them in Inquisition after they've lost their homes.

Hey you, stop being logical on this matter! Don't you know that all the Dalish are supremacists and all the city elves have zero connection to their elven heritage.

 

Even though we saw all the city elves in Kirkwall's alienage bow respectfully to Keeper Marethari as she entered in DA2....

[robertthebard]

Let's not pretend your interpretation about why Sera approves or disapproves is anything but speculation. Or, more accurately, condemning the Dalish and Briala because it paints an ugly picture of Briala if we consider other reasons to explain why she dislikes being "elfy" (which is like someone telling me they dislike me being so "Latinio-y") or has nothing but disdain for Briala while knowing next to nothing about who she actually is.

I don't really care what kind of picture it paints of Briala. I have the information that Sera gives me and the information that the game gives me. Your displeasure about what kind of picture that paints of any of the NPCs is irrelevant. Perhaps it paints that picture because, in spite of your personal feelings for Briala, that's who she is.
 

Furthermore, let's not pretend that being Dalish means automatically thinking you're better than everyone else. That's as asinine as thinking that being an Andrastian human automatically means that you're a racist who thinks that elves aren't people.

Actually, let's do pretend, because despite all this pent up rage, we're talking about a pretend person, in a pretend world. Let's look at that though: In Origins, mentioning that Loghain was selling the elves into slavery loses you points in the Landsmeet. Why is that, do you suppose? Who invented the term flat ear, while we're on the topic?
 

We've met enough Dalish to know better. Merrill is the elven companion in Dragon Age II who explicitly notes that the plight of the Alienage elves matters, and she devotes her time to help them in Inquisition after they've lost their homes.

Good for her. A Dalish Inquisitor is doing the same thing. The problem with this is that who is playing the Dalish Inquisitor determines whether or not the Inquisitor is as bad as some of the other Dalish. Speaking of Merrill, however, what about her tribe? Even with the sanction of her Keeper, the rest of the elves in the camp are cold at best, and borderline hostile at worst. So Shem has become a complimentary term now?
 
 

You seem confused. I addressed the race based dialogue when I pointed out that she has no problem with the Dwarf or Vashoth saying virtually the exact same thing when becoming Inquisitor.
 
 
You mean the Tal-Vashoth by the Qunari, and the surface dwarves by the dwarves of the Great Thaig of Orzammar? As much as some of the city elves denigrate the Dalish as "savages" and how some of the Andrastian humans revile them as "heathens". Which leads back to the problematic issue of her disapproving of dialogue simply because an elven Inquisitor uses the word 'elf', while she has no problem with the Dwarf, Vashoth, or even mage using the same line.

Now I'm starting to believe that you're being deliberately obtuse. Sera lays it out for you, the game lays it out for you, and we've laid it out for you. If you haven't grasped the concept by now, you're either trolling us, or you're not going to. I can't do anything about either of those circumstances.
 
 

First of all, I have trouble believing you even read TME if you think that statement is even remotely true. Second, Briala turned her back on Celene precisely because she chose the elves over Celene. She claimed the Orlesian Eluvians "for the elves of Orlais". She even extends an offer to Mihris that she will work with the Dalish on the condition that there's equality for the Dalish and the Andrastian elves.
 
 
I agree. They are nothing alike. Briala is actually trying to help the elves, for example, while Sera is more interested in her schemes with the Friends of Red Jenny.
 
 
Yes, Sera will dump the elven Inquisitor over her religious beliefs. Which paints a very, very ugly picture of Sera.
 
 
Briala turned her back on Celene's offer to give Briala a nobility status because she felt that Celene would slight the elves, and chose to champion their cause. Pretending that Briala is only interested in it for herself - despite both TME and the Epilogues proving otherwise - does your argument little credit.

It's really no uglier than the picture you're painting here. I've already explained that I have kicked people to the curb, with the threat of a restraining order if need be, over religious beliefs. When they got "Born Again", the person they were born into was not my friend, and if I wanted people preaching at me 24/7, I'd subscribe to the 700 Club channel, and watch it all day every day. I haven't, not even sure if there is such a thing, and if so, I wouldn't. It was kick them to the curb, and make them leave me alone, or catch a felony. I opted for the former. I'm sorry that you don't have the strength of character to get people out of your life that offend you, I do. Sera does too, for the exact same reason I did it, she didn't want to hear it, and didn't want to take a chance that it would turn into a 24/7 kind of thing. I understand that you're bitter, but that's your issue, nobody else's.

[robertthebard]

Hey you, stop being logical on this matter! Don't you know that all the Dalish are supremacists and all the city elves have zero connection to their elven heritage.
 
Even though we saw all the city elves in Kirkwall's alienage bow respectfully to Keeper Marethari as she entered in DA2....

Enlighten me, where did the term flat ear come from? It's not human or dwarven, they go for knife ear, yeah? Oh, that's right, I almost forgot, I learned that term while I was running my Dalish Warden through the Origin story, in the Dalish camp. Sorry you're under the impression that it has to be an "all or nothing" ordeal, but frankly, that's not the way the world works. Of course, you do try to show you know it, but that doesn't mean that none or even a substantial number don't have the flat ear view of City Elves, and think that Shems are the reason they're living in poverty.

[Hazegurl]

Oh I love being educated on how the world works. lol! Please explain how the actions and behaviors of some represents every single individual within a group.

[Imryll]

he lied about who he was, but I see no reason to believe he manufactured a personality and maintained it as an illusion.

If he did, he conned Bioware into programming all those "slightly approves" for showing kindness to assorted refugees... 

[robertthebard]

Oh I love being educated on how the world works. lol! Please explain how the actions and behaviors of some represents every single individual within a group.

Based on your post, I figured we were in for a lecture, I even got my notebook and pen so I could take notes in case there was a quiz after.

*Best Drusilla Voice: This is sooooo disappointing.

[Fardreamer]

Found this one

 

[BrokenPolygon]

It's really no uglier than the picture you're painting here. I've already explained that I have kicked people to the curb, with the threat of a restraining order if need be, over religious beliefs. When they got "Born Again", the person they were born into was not my friend, and if I wanted people preaching at me 24/7, I'd subscribe to the 700 Club channel, and watch it all day every day. I haven't, not even sure if there is such a thing, and if so, I wouldn't. It was kick them to the curb, and make them leave me alone, or catch a felony. I opted for the former. I'm sorry that you don't have the strength of character to get people out of your life that offend you, I do. Sera does too, for the exact same reason I did it, she didn't want to hear it, and didn't want to take a chance that it would turn into a 24/7 kind of thing. I understand that you're bitter, but that's your issue, nobody else's.

A recounting of your own personal history of unfortunate relationship conflicts followed by an accusation of bitterness on LobselVith8's behalf? Where exactly does he evidence that he is bitter over anything?

 

How does wanting people to be open-minded or at least tolerant of another person's point of view make them a bitter person?