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[Sharn01]

It's the definition of having her own opinions; whilst she's clearly not perfect, I'm not sure how that particular attitude differs from, say, Solas for example. Or Cassandra or Vivienne or... etc. Some of them I find more annoying than others, but I think that comes down to whether or not I like them as characters rather than any league-table of closed-mindedness.

Vivienne acts as close minded as Sera is though she is actually just reinforcing her agenda, Solas is close minded as well, but less so, as there are dialogue options with him where he questions his decisions.  Cassandra isnt close minded at all, she frequently questions the choices she has made and is making, her personal quest completely revolves around her questioning her own beliefs.  You will lose approval with her short term if she disagrees with you, but will later gain respect from her for having your own opinion, so long as every action you take isnt something she disagrees with.

 

Being open minded doesn't mean you have to change the core of your beliefs, it means you are open to new ideas that can cause you to question your beliefs, and may even cause you to modify them slightly if they are compelling enough.

[robertthebard]

Aside from ignoring how Briala looks down on the race of the elven Inquisitor once she sees that the main character is an elf in their first scene together, you're also acting as though Briala didn't separate from Celene - both romantically and politically - because she believed Celene wouldn't genuinely help the elves.
 
 
I'm pointing out Sera tries to force Lavellan to give up her religion in an ultimatum, which is the issue with their relationship, and you consistently ignore that to try and paint it as though it was a different conversation entirely.
 
 
Pretending as though this is the issue with anyone who dislikes Sera doesn't give any weight to your posts. As for me, Cullen doesn't share my Lavellan's beliefs, and I like him perfectly fine.
 
 
You mean she breaks up with Lavellan unless she gives up her religious beliefs, which is the actual issue you consistently ignore while pretending that people want to change Sera's religious beliefs.

...and here we are, back in this circular argument of "Her sticking to her beliefs, as she has all game, is wrong because it breaks player agency, and my ability to change her to suit me, instead of me having to compromise to suit her". You are, after all, asking her to abandon her beliefs to stay with the PC. I don't care about the objective reasons that people have for disliking Sera. She was written to be just what she is, polarizing; people are going to love her, or hate her. This discussion, however, veers into misrepresenting her: She has been called a hypocrite because she sticks to her beliefs, which is, unfortunately, the exact opposite of what a hypocrite is. I've seen the same persistence in sticking to that position that I have seen with you here, with the irony being that you don't see a problem with the writers allowing you to change her fit what you think, but you don't want to change to fit what she thinks.

You can continue to claim that I'm pretending that this is what it is all day, or all year, or for the rest of your life for all I care. The fact is, she's been telling us since we recruited her that she's not into "elfy", and expecting her to accept Lavellan's new found faith, again, because until Mythal, this isn't an issue, so it is "new found", is expecting her to change her beliefs in order to maintain the relationship. You don't have to convert her to Elfy to change her views, after all. I get that you have to have absolutes, even if you don't feel they should apply to you, but really, asking her to accept the possibility is asking her to change to accommodate you. Of course, over the course of this thread, we have covered this, multiple times, and not matter how I go about presenting it, you cling desperately to this life line as some kind of proof that Sera is inherently bad to the PC. You disregard how it may be inherently bad to Sera to try to force her to accept what you're trying to give her now, even though it flies in the face of everything she believes, and you do this, simply because she's an NPC, and your feelings should come first.

[Eternal Dust]

So after finishing the Tempal of Mythal quest, I've changed my mind. Sera isn't crazy. She's just incurably stupid. Such a shame, I was starting to tolerate her after the rooftop scenes.

[Emu8207]

Personally I love the British accent so I'm kinda biased towards liking Sera.

 

My personal opinion there is no bad character in DAI, the only one I don't like is Cole and even he has some redeeming lines during the card game. None of the characters are on the level of an Anders from DA2 or Wynne from DAO

[Dgyre]

First, I have no problem with Sera being in the game, and I think she, among others, brings a nice range of possible companions, and can be especially useful if you want to have an Inquisitor who is also could be loosely described as "Chaotic Neutral" like Sera.

 

Sera provides range for the companions, and another example of a realistic flawed character.  She is a great addition to the Dragon Age Companions.  Also, any judgement on her based on her speech pattern or appearance is invalid. While pretty much everything here is subjective, that is completely subjective and no character should have to 'look' or 'talk' a certain way to be 'worthy' of a spot as a companion.

 

That said, I absolutely detest the character.  While she does have a few positive goals or ideals, her childish, selfish approach to them really ruins any ability I have to be sympathetic to her.  I can keep her around, I can use her when needed, but overall I find it hard to respect her or her beliefs.

 

I agree with many others that she is close minded.  I really don't care if she shares my Inquisitors Beliefs, but she does not respect others beliefs, and she makes judgements of others based on their social status, not their actual personality or actions.  She is the reverse of an elitist.  She has the same judgmental view as a high ranking noble who thinks everyone is beneath them, in reverse.  Anyone 'big' is assumed to be a jerk, probably not worth leaving alive.  She makes an exception, only mildly, for the Inquisitor(if noble), mainly because he/she is the only one that can fix the main problem, which she is smart enough at least to realize the scope of the problem.  I don't care really that she doesn't treat the overall plot seriously, sometimes its good to take things lightly, but this disdain she has for anyone else who does take it seriously, that is what gets me.  Its a little odd she is even willing to work with the noble inquisitor, as he falls into a class and makes choices that she has indicated in other situations she would kill nobles who were similar.  Or any noble in general really.

 

She is comedic, her dialogue is often hilarious and great for a laugh, but as a person, Sera is very close minded because she doesn't respect other viewpoints, or really respect other people in general.  Her dialogue, her choices, her actions, demonstrate very clearly her main focus is getting things back to normal so she can go on striking back at the upper class in the most fun and humorous ways, instead of the most effective ways for helping.  Rules are bad, laws are bad, the ruling powers are bad.  While many of these statements are true in many cases, she applies them indiscriminately.  Again, she has the same narrow view, just in reverse, as the ruling elite that she despises.

 

She is happy to kill nobles or anyone 'big' without actually knowing if they are good or bad people.

She threatens and demands the Inquisitor think and believe the same as she does if she is going to be close to her.

She shows disdain for other viewpoints.

and many more.

 

Talking to Sera is like trying to explain rules and responsibility to a petulant 10 year old.

 

Again, I'm glad she is in the game, and I have no problem with some people who like her, but the way her character is designed is should not surprise anyone she is disliked as much as she is. 

[Ap0crypha]

Honestly, I don't really mind Sera dumping the Inquisitor over a difference of religion. It happens all the time in real life and frankly, I'd do it too. There are some lines people just won't cross.

 

What I DO mind is how she does it. I would have respected a simple "Look, I can't reconcile my beliefs with yours, so I think we should break up." But she doesn't do that. She delivers you an ultimatum, and yes it is an ultimatum. One covered in sugary-sweet words and pleading and nicknames, but an ultimatum none the less. She tries to emotionally manipulate Lavellan into giving up something important to her, then acts like a child by throwing a hissy fit if Lavellan says no. She refuses to even stay friends afterwards--and if you'd throw away friendship over an issue you brought up yourself and made a big deal out of, then frankly you were never a good friend.

 

Andraste's blood, she does this even if Lavellan doesn't express belief in the Creators. If Lavellan even wonders about what happened in Mythal Sera jumps down her throat and tries to break up unless Lavellan immediately dismisses it. What, she's not allowed to have her own mind, now?

 

It's exceedingly immature. Frankly, that's my biggest problem with her. Every time the Inquisitor or someone else says something that goes against her beliefs, she plugs her ears in and chants "stupid!" over and over, or else resorts to name-calling, instead of having a mature conversation--like after the Temple of Mythal.

 

Inquisitor: I think the elves may have a point.

Sera: No, now you're being stupid. You can't think that because it's stupid!

 

(alt)

 

Inquisitor: There must be some truth to what they said.

Sera: Ugh, now you're getting elfy.

Inquisitor: What?

 

Even other characters note it.

 

Varric: Is this the part where you tell me my face is stupid?

Sera: Your face is stu--shut up!

 

I am trying to save the world. I do not have time for an immature five-year-old brat inhabiting a woman's body. Especially not one who refuses to tolerate other people, insults my friends if they don't bowtow to her, insults me if I don't bowtow to her, kills someone I was trying to interrogate, destroys or vandalizes property, and generally sticks her nose where it doesn't belong.

[ThreeF]

She is the least submissive/most independent out of all the Inquisition characters, I think it's as simple as that.

 

You can manipulate her fairly easy, I think (Vivienne too), that's what I'm doing with her as a diplomatic noble rogue. Can't say I hate her, but she behaves like an obnoxious child and sees everything as being “simple”, which I suppose fits what she represents (she even fears nothing).   In a game where almost every character is a degree of an extreme, Sera still manages to stand out, so I can see how that can be annoying.

[Violetbliss]

I love that she isn't perfect. That's basically all I really need to say about her personally, although I will add that it's really refreshing that she doesn't just go with your opinion or can be swayed to your side with a few words all the time. Conversely i also love that it is possible to make her to do small concessions if you understand her. With her upbringing it's no wonder she is like she is.

 

Thing is, she's just not gonna grow out of her limited view instantly just because of a few months travelling with the inquisition. Your inquisitor needs patience with her to be her friend/and or lover, and if not then I can definitely see how you'd not like her. If you look at Varric, his journey is similiar even though he is very different, more mature. In Kirkwall, him talking full-time charity would have made you question if he was on weird lyrium pills. And that's a long time from then to there.

[DarkAmaranth1966]

Immature, inexperienced, naive I can handle. Calling older, more experienced, more world wise people stupid for being who and what they are, I can't handle and that is what Sera does.

[Big Magnet]

I love that she isn't perfect. That's basically all I really need to say about her personally, although I will add that it's really refreshing that she doesn't just go with your opinion or can be swayed to your side with a few words all the time. Conversely i also love that it is possible to make her to do small concessions if you understand her. With her upbringing it's no wonder she is like she is.

 

Thing is, she's just not gonna grow out of her limited view instantly just because of a few months travelling with the inquisition. Your inquisitor needs patience with her to be her friend/and or lover, and if not then I can definitely see how you'd not like her. If you look at Varric, his journey is similiar even though he is very different, more mature. In Kirkwall, him talking full-time charity would have made you question if he was on weird lyrium pills. And that's a long time from then to there.

Sir from where I come from we don't give opinionated youngsters understanding and concessions.

 

We give them a paddlin' 

[Scerene]

...and here we are, back in this circular argument of "Her sticking to her beliefs, as she has all game, is wrong because it breaks player agency, and my ability to change her to suit me, instead of me having to compromise to suit her". You are, after all, asking her to abandon her beliefs to stay with the PC. I don't care about the objective reasons that people have for disliking Sera. She was written to be just what she is, polarizing; people are going to love her, or hate her. This discussion, however, veers into misrepresenting her: She has been called a hypocrite because she sticks to her beliefs, which is, unfortunately, the exact opposite of what a hypocrite is. I've seen the same persistence in sticking to that position that I have seen with you here, with the irony being that you don't see a problem with the writers allowing you to change her fit what you think, but you don't want to change to fit what she thinks.

You can continue to claim that I'm pretending that this is what it is all day, or all year, or for the rest of your life for all I care. The fact is, she's been telling us since we recruited her that she's not into "elfy", and expecting her to accept Lavellan's new found faith, again, because until Mythal, this isn't an issue, so it is "new found", is expecting her to change her beliefs in order to maintain the relationship. You don't have to convert her to Elfy to change her views, after all. I get that you have to have absolutes, even if you don't feel they should apply to you, but really, asking her to accept the possibility is asking her to change to accommodate you. Of course, over the course of this thread, we have covered this, multiple times, and not matter how I go about presenting it, you cling desperately to this life line as some kind of proof that Sera is inherently bad to the PC. You disregard how it may be inherently bad to Sera to try to force her to accept what you're trying to give her now, even though it flies in the face of everything she believes, and you do this, simply because she's an NPC, and your feelings should come first.

lol using emotional blackmail and guilt trips to coerce a partner to abandon a belief that does you no harm is emotional abuse. Absolutely -nowhere- did my lavellen suggest she should change her beliefs, i just said calmly that i thought it was true, though i never romanced her, but she still got up in my face telling me i was a stupid bish, that all of it was lies and demons. She is a hypocrite because she cant handle any critcism or having her beliefs challenged, while she insults everybody elses in the most abusive ways she can, even though they dont directly hurt her. If your sister or best friend started dating somebody who demanded they abandon something that gives them comfort, that really has no negative impact on anyone, would you tell your friend that making these "adjustments" is an emotionally healthy response? Sera is the one that needs to grow up emotionally. There is -absolutely- no reason to use guilt trips and emotional blackmail against a partner in an attempt to get them to abandon something that is harmless but that -you- cant deal with because of unresolved emotional issues, or lack of emotional maturity. I could understand her having problems with the inq smoking, or if the inq brought in a ton of statues of mythal and forced them on Sera or whatever or tried to convert Sera that it would be an issue, but seras reasons are her own stunted growth.

Even in situations where there is a problem this kind of a response is indicative of somebody who clearly is faaar away from being grown up. When you have a problem in a relationship, you sit down with your partner and calmly explain whats going, but before anything else, you should examine the reason you have a "problem" and if said problem is actually based on something -you- need to deal with. Demanding that the entire world bend to your every emotional whim, is not "cool" or something that is a "character quirk" people should accept. Nobody has said Sera should abandon her religous belief or worldview or conform to anybody else, what people have been saying is that Sera should abandon her belief that she has a right to insist everybody else abandons theirs for her. You and many others in this thread are disingenuously  trying to make a correlation between the two. There is a world of difference between telling Sera to stop believing she has the right to abusively insist people should conform to her very narrow world view, and telling her to abandon -her- worldview. The former is a perfectly reasonable expecation, something that everybody who is mentally grown up realises in their relationships irl. Life is about compromise. What reasons does Sera have for abusively taunting everything or everybody when they express something during party banter relolving their worldview, in a way that doesnt even have anything to do with her? None, aside from the fact that she is just a dumb and emotionally stunted girl, with zero social and relationship skills.  She needs to accept that the world doesnt revolve around her and  learn to compromise and accept the people in her life even though they dont have all "the perfect beliefs", especially considering the fact that she has faaaaar from "perfect" beliefs herself. She blows up in anybodies face as soon as they even remotely touch on a subject she doesnt like or agree with, but question her on anything shitty she does? oh no.

[InfinitePaths]

What people don't understand is that our dear sweetheart Sera has a complicated mind.She is emotionally immature, and in some ways she isn't very intelligent(she is in some), and can't express herself very well.

 

She is very different but deep down, she has a sugary core.Though it is surrounded with a complex personality which doesn't think rationally, it isn't reasonable.She might seem selfish, ignorant and evil, but she is just scared and confused.If you don't understand her and accept her as such, you definitely won't like her.She is not a normal, reasonable person, she is much more for better or worse.

[Ryzaki]

Look I'm actually fine with Sera dumping elf quizzy for differences in beliefs. That's fine.

 

It's the No we can't be friends! Crapola afterwards that blows my mind.

 

Seriously? You bring up religion, I tell you I'm not getting rid of mine, you try to force me to dump it for you and then when I don't you decided to be a mega **** and say we can't even be friends because how dare I pick my religion over you?

[Sully13]

[NM_Che56]

Immature, inexperienced, naive I can handle. Calling older, more experienced, more world wise people stupid for being who and what they are, I can't handle and that is what Sera does.

she calls them out on their bullsh** and for assuming that because they are older and powerful that they are wiser.  

[frankf43]

Personally I love the British accent so I'm kinda biased towards liking Sera.

 

My personal opinion there is no bad character in DAI, the only one I don't like is Cole and even he has some redeeming lines during the card game. None of the characters are on the level of an Anders from DA2 or Wynne from DAO

 

I think having 2 characters who steal the identity of dead people is a bit lazy so in that much I am not a big fan of Blackwall and Cole but besides that I think that all the characters are well written. 

[InfinitePaths]

She calls them stupid beacuse she doesn't know how to outwit them since she doesn't think she is smart enough to rationally debate with them.She isn't confident in her own intelligence and generally thinks sofisticated words and arguments are mostly lies, and she is right.Her beliefs are threatened and she feels too vunerable without her beliefs so she defends herself with profanity and by calling others stupid.It is a self-defense mechanism to protect her own insecurities.

 

I think it's innocent in it's own way and kind of cute (nohetero).

[NM_Che56]

What people don't understand is that our dear sweetheart Sera has a complicated mind.She is emotionally immature, and in some ways she isn't very intelligent(she is in some), and can't express herself very well.

 

She is very different but deep down, she has a sugary core.Though it is surrounded with a complex personality which doesn't think rationally, it isn't reasonable.She might seem selfish, ignorant and evil, but she is just scared and confused.If you don't understand her and accept her as such, you definitely won't like her.She is not a normal, reasonable person, she is much more for better or worse.

And THAT's that!  Exactly!

 

I can't help but wonder if there isn't some sort of meta...thingy that Bioware is going for with her in terms of how people react to her.  

 

She's like that quirky, temperamental , impulsive kid sister type.  She is a bit rough around the edges, but the digger you deep into her character the more there is to see.  Like Shrek, she has layers.

[The Jackal]

If you hate Sera kindly walk into pit of fire. 

[NM_Che56]

She calls them stupid beacuse she doesn't know how to outwit them since she doesn't think she is smart enough to rationally debate with them.Her beliefs are threatened and she feels too wounrable without her beliefs so she defends herself with profanity and by calling others stupid.

 

I think it's innocent in it's own way and kind of cute (nohetero).

 

Get out of my head.

[NM_Che56]

If you hate Sera kindly walk into pit of fire. 

there's that too, yes...

[NM_Che56]

The BEST banter is with her and Dorian about magic.  I hurt laughing so hard!

 

 

7:24

 

 

[NM_Che56]

#tool

[Switish]

I understand the distaste towards her, but she does make valid points. She has opinions and she voices them, rather than prancing around issues that wont resolve themselves. She gets that pomp and bravado are extremely useless when there are people dying here there and everywhere, though she can be disrespectful at times but considering the hate I see towards her its not like shes the only one 

 

She just highlights stupid things that we all do sometimes, especially in high society. 

 

Inq: "Its not that simple."

Sera: "Yes it is. What, just because someone shouted it really loud makes it complicated?"

 

As for her stance on her race and culture, she didn't grow up with the Dalish or elves around her, so who can really blame her for being....well I want to say fearful but I'm not sure its that....of something she doesn't know and frightens her. That which she doesn't agree with are usually dangerous practices or persons, so I can understand in a way.

 

Yeah she could be a little more polite about it, but that would not suit her character. Shes loud and boisterous, being polite is not in her vocabulary. And I love her character for that.  

[NM_Che56]

She is a psychopath with no character development....

 

Sera is like Jack / Subject Zero with no character development or character arc...

Wrong and wrong.  You just didn't bother.  You let a superficial view of her keep you from seeing it.  

 

"she's crass and a smart a**. I don't like her".