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[snackrat]

She's inconsistent, hypocritical, rude?

...I thought I'd like her because she seemed zany and carefree, but in-game that just translates to her saying 'arse' in every sentence and then drawing butts on everything. Even her 'randomness' (which, as a style of wit, is already low-bar) ends up predictable.

 

I still like some of her dialogue. But she is the first party member I've NOT recruited in every single playthrough. (Viv followed after. I despise stuck-up superiority.) I never want to bring either of them along when I do stuff, so all I get is their judgement whenever I make a choice they don't like (like recruiting Cole). Screw that. Cole is way more interesting than either of them.

 

Interestingly, a lot of her quest dialogue (and romance dialogue is the vids are anything to go by) are alright. But her banter and floated and reaction and approval dialogues just... augh.

 

For me personally, I don't find her worth it.

[Daerog]

Funny, I find Cassandra an honest person yet she's rarely recognized by people. While I find Sera a hypocritical person and her cause "fighting for the little people" seems hollow to me when she didn't even bother trying to stop the poor servant guy from getting killed by Harmond's mercenaries, and she shows zero empathy toward his death. She also stated a couple times that "need things back to normal so coins can be flowing again" and "stopping war should earn more sovereign than this", and even her profile stated "the world has to be normal so she can play" She is NOT out to make the world better for the little people.

Thanks, but I'll pass. The last thing Thedas needs is the world run by anarchist, complete lunatic, utter moron who wants to turn the world into their personal glorified playground where they can prank, torture and kill people they decide deserve.

 

Well, the servant guy was being a little odd when first met, so unknown how to respond, then he dies, not much else to do about that, but she took her rage out on the one responsible, so I'd say she did have empathy, she just isn't one to fall into tears.

 

Coins do need to be flowing for "the little people." It's how an economy stays healthy and how people can be paid to buy food.

 

What's wrong with wanting more sovereigns? It's not like she is wanting to hoard it, she would spend it and money would flow.

 

People should play more. Life isn't just about serious business.

 

No, she doesn't have a grand master plan to make the world better. She doesn't have the means for that and doesn't pretend to, she just does what she can to make the world bearable for some. Like she said, someone gets revenge, someone gets paid, someone gets a laugh.

 

These are just my thoughts on the character and those events. So, she actually sounds like a good person to me. Rude and sometimes annoying to me, but overall a good person with a good heart, if a little misguided.

[Vormaerin]

To me? She's narrow-minded, arrogant, cruel in her arrogance, and unforgivably vulgar and crass. She actually makes Isabela seem a very classy person in comparison.

 

Lots of people seem to love these traits though, so I can understand why Sera has staunch fans, I'm just never going to be one of them.

 

More that lots of people don't think she has those traits.  She's certainly abrasive and tactless and sometimes juvenile (especially in her jokes), but I don't see any evidence of narrow mindedness or arrogance.  The arguments put forth for saying she is don't hold water in my opinion.  They could be used to brand everyone in the party with those labels.

[Jaison1986]

Both are awesome. There shouldn't have been any comparison in first place.

 

You mean an pirate that commits slavery to pay debts, leaving an city to burn to save face and an trigger happy elf that spends her time playing pranks and uses the "fighting for the little people" to excuse her criminal money making practices?

 

Just how is that awesome?

[Daerog]

Isabela can become more heroic and responsible. People generally go with that, a person with a bad past who is now better. The comics went with that.

 

Sera... money making practices? What money making? She gets whatever gift her Friends give her and she is practically a vagabond. What she does certainly isn't for the money, she could make more if she decided to be an assassin, which she wouldn't be so bad at, or a mercenary group or actually take a real job.

[Paraxial]

Because she's a chav.

[Bekkael]

More that lots of people don't think she has those traits.  She's certainly abrasive and tactless and sometimes juvenile (especially in her jokes), but I don't see any evidence of narrow mindedness or arrogance.  The arguments put forth for saying she is don't hold water in my opinion.  They could be used to brand everyone in the party with those labels.

 

That's your opinion on my opinion. We will never agree nor see eye to eye on it, so there's an end to the discussion.

[robertthebard]

She's inconsistent, hypocritical, rude... I thought I'd like her because she seemed zany and carefree, but in-game that just translates to her saying 'arse' in every sentence and then drawing butts on everything. Even her 'randomness' (which, as a style of wit, is already low-bar) ends up predictable.
 
I still like some of her dialogue. But she is the first party member I've NOT recruited in every single playthrough. (Viv followed after. I despise stuck-up superiority.) I never want to bring either of them along when I do stuff, so all I get is their judgement whenever I make a choice they don't like (like recruiting Cole). Screw that. Cole is way more interesting than either of them.
 
Interestingly, a lot of her quest dialogue (and romance dialogue is the vids are anything to go by) are alright. But her banter and floated and reaction and approval dialogues just... augh.
 
For me personally, I don't find her worth it.

Here we go again with hypocritical. Do you know what that word means, or is it just a handy catch all for you? Better yet, give me some examples of her hypocrisy. Since you're making the claim, you must have a list, right? Because the last guy that threw that around like a shield, he ate it. There was no evidence to support his claim. So, lay it on me, give me specific examples of her hypocrisy.

[Lady Mutare]

She is a annoying ******.  So is Vivienne, but Viv at least knows she is one. 

[Daerog]

While she isn't hypocritical or inconsistent, she can be rude, there is no denying that.

[Ziegrif]

That's your opinion on my opinion. We will never agree nor see eye to eye on it, so there's an end to the discussion.

 

The only way you can settle this is by thumb wrestling!

2 outta 3 wins!

Winner loses their pants!

[robertthebard]

She's inconsistent, hypocritical, rude... I thought I'd like her because she seemed zany and carefree, but in-game that just translates to her saying 'arse' in every sentence and then drawing butts on everything. Even her 'randomness' (which, as a style of wit, is already low-bar) ends up predictable.
 
I still like some of her dialogue. But she is the first party member I've NOT recruited in every single playthrough. (Viv followed after. I despise stuck-up superiority.) I never want to bring either of them along when I do stuff, so all I get is their judgement whenever I make a choice they don't like (like recruiting Cole). Screw that. Cole is way more interesting than either of them.
 
Interestingly, a lot of her quest dialogue (and romance dialogue is the vids are anything to go by) are alright. But her banter and floated and reaction and approval dialogues just... augh.
 
For me personally, I don't find her worth it.

Show me some hypocrisy. That word, I don't think it means what you think it means.


1: a feigning to be what one is not or to believe what one does not; especially : the false assumption of an appearance of virtue or religion


2: an act or instance of hypocrisy

Source

So, where does she suddenly become all "elfy" and start worshipping the Creators? When did she ever make a claim to virtuousness? Links will work, or specific examples. Otherwise, what we're dealing with here is someone that doesn't understand who she is and what she stands for.

[berrieh]

Not my fight in theory, but another definition of hypocritical is: 

behaving in a way that suggests one has higher standards or more noble beliefs than is the case.

 

This fits Sera. She claims to be for the commonfolk but she doesn't really help them and she takes their money and lets them take the risk. Though she also freely admits she's selfish, so it depends on which conversations we're focusing on (and many people may not have heard them all!). Some of this has to do with how she was marketed as a champion of the Common, which she does kind of perpetuate, but then also undermines depending on which dialogue we use. This goes with my diatribe upthread about how she's a terrible Robin Hood. She really sucks at helping anyone. I like the idea of someone fighting against the Nobles - but not with such selfishness, personally. I was hoping she'd be more like my City Elf Warden rogue who stole a bit, killed those who deserved it, and helped the little people, and less like a street thug who caused destruction wherever she goes. To be clear, I think Sera is more confused than hypocritical, but I can understand the notion is all. 

 

(I like Sera, just saying I can see where the "hypocritical" thing comes from.) 

[snackrat]

Hell if I know what makes her hypocritical. The question was why a lot of people hate her, not necessarily me specifically, and those are the three I hear. (Especially inconsistent. Rude I can understand, but she's pretty consistently annoying.)

I'd guess it has something to do with liking the downtrodden unless they're elves? Or you're not allowed to take stuff seriously, unless she wants you to? I don't know. I do know for her personal quests like the raisin cookies, if you give her **** for it suddenly it's too far, but she gives **** for everyone else. Maybe that's it.

Hmm. Yeah, in hindsight that formatting is a little confusing, I'll fix it.

 

My reasoning, specifically, is that she isn't zany and fun, she just draws butts on stuff. She tries to trick people into saying 'arse'. Her response to stuff she doesn't like is "ptthhpppp". Arsebiscuit (okay I'll admit that one amused me, once). Your arse, no wait, your mum's arse. Swapping sugar with salt in the kitchens. More butts on stuff. Stealing Dagna's tools to mess with hinges. It's like babysitting a 8-year-old who thinks toilet humour is the height of comedy.

[robertthebard]

Not my fight in theory, but another definition of hypocritical is: 
behaving in a way that suggests one has higher standards or more noble beliefs than is the case.[/size]
 
This fits Sera. She claims to be for the commonfolk but she doesn't really help them and she takes their money and lets them take the risk. Though she also freely admits she's selfish, so it depends on which conversations we're focusing on (and many people may not have heard them all!). Some of this has to do with how she was marketed as a champion of the Common, which she does kind of perpetuate, but then also undermines depending on which dialogue we use. This goes with my diatribe upthread about how she's a terrible Robin Hood. She really sucks at helping anyone. I like the idea of someone fighting against the Nobles - but not with such selfishness, personally. I was hoping she'd be more like my City Elf Warden rogue who stole a bit, killed those who deserved it, and helped the little people, and less like a street thug who caused destruction wherever she goes. To be clear, I think Sera is more confused than hypocritical, but I can understand the notion is all. [/size]
 
(I like Sera, just saying I can see where the "hypocritical" thing comes from.) [/size]

There are no conversations where she's hypocritical. She has clearly stated her beliefs, and she sticks to them. Hypocritical is pulled out of the asses of people that can't seem to come to terms with "she's abrasive and annoying" for some reason, which is true. I find that to be true, and I also find it to be one of her redeeming qualities. She's not a "Yes man".

[lLord Bhaal]

Envy.

People wish they could be as free as her with their thoughts.

Jealous bastages!

[Bann Duncan]

Shianni   vs Sera 

 

Go!

[robertthebard]

Shianni   vs Sera 
 
Go!

Well, at least Sera was sober, most of the time...

[Warden Commander Aeducan]

Shianni   vs Sera 

 

Go!

Shianni >>>>>>> Sera

Shianni doesn't give a crap if the Warden is too elfy.

[TheJediSaint]

Well, I like her...mostly for the same reasons a lot of people dislike her.  Go figure.

[KaiserShep]

Shianni   vs Sera 

 

Go!

I'd be curious to see what became of Shianni.

[n7stormrunner]

 

 

People who hate Sera just dont understand her (or dont want to understand because of her looks). I love her. The most interesting character IN DAI.

 

When I talked with her she said she grew up in the Denerim alienage. Suddenly everything about her made sense. Her complete lack of faith in the nobility?  Her extreme fear of magic?  Her anger at the exploitation of the little people, and her refusal to ever be pinned down or controlled? All of those things can be explained. I played a city elf myself in DAO. My people got killed and raped by Jarl of Denerims son. Tevinter mages enslaved my people and tortured them. They locked us up in an Alienage serving the nobles. I can understand what Sera was going through because I saw it with my own eyes and experienced it myself. I would support her any time.

 

And after all that, she is still funny and happy most of the time, (if you respect and support her opinion) There is nothing wrong with Sera! She is sometimes very sad, very angry, sometimes silly but always interesting..She has so many different faces and when you try to understand what she is going through you will love her! A great character!

 

 

 

I'm calling b.s. I understand her, but she still  at the bottom of my list for favorite, the fact the she can make oghren look deep is impressive. 

she reminds me of people I grow up with who used any excuse they could to act a fool. the fact the my favorite character in origins were the drunk, guy who tried to kill me and the giant who at one point tries to steal the party from me and always debates my commands, oh and the probably evil witch of the wilds. but I find her too rude and childish to really be likable say alot. sure she can be funny but mostly she is that kid who laughs cause some says duty.

[Vyndral]

Envy.
People wish they could be as free as her with their thoughts.
Jealous bastages!

It is actually the reason I like her. I am jealous. There was a time in bw games, when the abrasive, brutish, thug, hero was a valid option. Try to kill me or my friends? I'd kill ya back. Try to take what was mine? I'd kill ya first. Come in to my house, run your mouth? Time to die. I play a rogue, spec assassin. I want to be a liar, a cheater, a killer, Whatever it takes to get the job done.

As time goes on those play options are taken from me. The main hero is getting nicer every game. The story will not permit me to do what I want. I am actually forced to stop and talk to people right after they tried to kill me. All for the sake of story. Hugs and kisses everyone. After the opening scene I wanted to love Viv too, but maybe I missed something but I never got her to go off again. She was everything I wanted to be in her court. To bad she got the cool scene and I got to sit on my thumbs.

So I am forced into liking, the killers, the brash, those who act just to act, because they can, since I can no longer be that hero. I live through them. It is all I have left. I love you Sera, Jack, Zaeed, Liliana(only can we not have the crises of faith, and help me be a better killer story arc for a third time?), and the others I am missing.

[DKJaigen]

Sera is just a badly written character. I see they where going with 2 stereotypes : lovable rogue and comic relief. But i never ever experienced a comic relief character being so bad at its job since jar jar binks. Its toilet humour and very immature and low standard. sure you can have your moments where a fart joke can be fun but it is constant and it manages to aggravate me to no end. As a comic relieve char this not good she is supposed to me laugh and i find the humour of other chars far better.

 

Then the lovable rogue stuff. And god is it awfully presented despite some good ideas. lovable rogues are the one that are daring and dashing but they dont put other peoples live on the line and overall they have a goal thats not nearly as petty or stupid as sera's. Once again im annoyed with her.

 

Characters always evoke emotion but the right emotion should be evoked. I hate vivienne's guts which is good because she is clearly written for you to hate her guts.

 

But sera only brings a negative to the game and in fact she is so bad that dragon age inquisition would be a better game without her. Putting her on the same level as jar jar binks. Whoever wrote her needs  to get his act together.

[TheGlen]

Actually from a literary perspective, she's a very well written character.  We are arguing her merits.  We have been presented a flawed personality that is either loved or loathed.  She's immature, hypocritical and antagonistic, but at least she's memorable.  She's not boring and milquetoast like Ajantis, Cernd or that blue archeologist I left in the back of the ship.  She may be grating, but at least she's not boring.