She's too much like a daughter in law I can't stand. Thinks she's entitled to a good life just for being born, thinks anyone who disagrees with her, is richer, smarter, harder working, who has actually earned the good life is stupid for not giving it all to her her when she did nothing to earn it. Thinks people who disagree or do not cater to her whims are stupid and doing it on purpose to keep her form having things and, is a money grubbing chit.
Were she a real modern person, it's d be just like my unwanted DIL. Dad: "I'm getting a new laptop next week." DIL: "I'll make a place on my desk for your old one [giddy laugh]" She assumes she gets the old one w/o even asking if she can have or buy it, or if Dad has other plans for the old computer, or if it even still works. She assumes she is entitled to it just because she's the DIL. Me: "GRRRR@, That Chit can get off it and go buy her own computer. Oh I forgot she thinks we should cow tow to her just because she's ENTITLED because, nobodies who don't work for it are entitled to take whatever they want from those of us who do earn it."
I refuse to allow the DIL in my home or, go to her home and, I refuse to give her a penny, or anything else. Same for Sera, she is not going to be a part of my game unless she changes her attitude and wises up.
This strikes me as largely imaginary. When does she do any of those kinds of things?
I gotta at people who honestly believe Briala gives a flying f**k about the elves over her own personal power by the time the winter palace quest happens, she's a wannabe noble by that point
This strikes me as largely imaginary. When does she do any of those kinds of things?
"Stopping a war should bring in more coin." - She want's more money coming in to the Inquisition - she thinks she'll get more if it comes in.
Every time you do anything that allies you with Nobles, according to her "They beat down, you beat down, stupid."
Her whole reason for being there is all about what she gets. She cares nothing for stopping the war or closing the breach except that she will get more money if it's all "back to normal"
She thinks she's entitled to the money the Inquisition brings in, she thinks she's entitled to more money for life when the war is over and the breach closed. She thinks she's entitled to tell a mage inquisitor to stop using magic because, she doesn't like it. She thinks she is entitled to have a say in things she never did anything to prove she was worthy of having a say in.
Maybe in your world house guests and kids get to say how the house is ran and, who gets what but, not in mine. They are subordinates, as Sera is and, they need to act like it and, be glad for what is given them - not demand more, they are not entitled to what they have not earned. She has no understanding of politics or alliances so, does not earn the right to say anything about those things, yet she opens her mouth and gets mad about it anyway. She knows nothing of magic or mages yet she thinks she's entitled to tell you not to use magic.
Same as if I told you to give me your car because, yeah I have two but, I like yours and, because I'm a nobody that doesn't know anything about cars beyond how to drive one, I'm entitled to your car. It makes no sense. Now if I came up to you with 20 grand and asked politely to buy your car, you might sell it to me. If Sera asked you to explain things she didn't understand, and didn't retaliate with "Stupid, beats down." but listened and thought about it, then you might be willing to teach her. She makes no offer to make herself acceptable yet expects you to make yourself acceptable to her.
She never says anything to the effect of being entitled to the money the Inquisition itself brings in, and far as I can tell, she never pilfers Josephine's coffers for any of it. She already makes money though the Jenny shenanigans. In any case, I don't really see why it matters. Iron Bull is there for money and Vivienne is there for political gain. It seems to me that it's more important that the character is at least up front with their motivations. It's not like she's an ancient elven deity trying to correct her f*ckups on the downlow or something.
I gotta at people who honestly believe Briala gives a flying f**k about the elves over her own personal power by the time the winter palace quest happens, she's a wannabe noble by that point
I gotta at people who think they know better than what bioware themselves clearly have written when you give Briala power in the epilogue it says all she does is fight for the elves, even to her own detriment and "status" as she gets a lot of resistance.
"Stopping a war should bring in more coin." - She want's more money coming in to the Inquisition - she thinks she'll get more if it comes in.
Sounds like you yourself implied that second part.
Every time you do anything that allies you with Nobles, according to her "They beat down, you beat down, stupid."
Ok....... sounds like just her opinion there.
Her whole reason for being there is all about what she gets. She cares nothing for stopping the war or closing the breach except that she will get more money if it's all "back to normal"
She wants things back to normal.. like all the others? Which companion wants to stay in a state of perpetual war with demons? Which companion doesn't have to care about finding ways to stay alive?
Maybe in your world house guests and kids get to say how the house is ran and, who gets what but, not in mine. They are subordinates, as Sera is and, they need to act like it and, be glad for what is given them - not demand more, they are not entitled to what they have not earned. She has no understanding of politics or alliances so, does not earn the right to say anything about those things, yet she opens her mouth and gets mad about it anyway. She knows nothing of magic or mages yet she thinks she's entitled to tell you not to use magic.
No specific examples here. Although being a human I would think gives them a right to say something about those things. Plenty of people know too much about facts, alliances, politics, and almost nothing about human nature.
Same as if I told you to give me your car because, yeah I have two but, I like yours and, because I'm a nobody that doesn't know anything about cars beyond how to drive one, I'm entitled to your car. It makes no sense. Now if I came up to you with 20 grand and asked politely to buy your car, you might sell it to me. If Sera asked you to explain things she didn't understand, and didn't retaliate with "Stupid, beats down." but listened and thought about it, then you might be willing to teach her. She makes no offer to make herself acceptable yet expects you to make yourself acceptable to her.
What? Anyway I've said this a trillion times but "she won't do what I want and be what I want, she has a strong personality" is perhaps the exact same thing from Sera's perspective. Have you made an offer to make yourself acceptable to her? Why is it that you can't meet this personality? (When others can?)
She thinks she's entitled to the money the Inquisition brings in, she thinks she's entitled to more money for life when the war is over and the breach closed. She thinks she's entitled to tell a mage inquisitor to stop using magic because, she doesn't like it. She thinks she is entitled to have a say in things she never did anything to prove she was worthy of having a say in.
I think you said this money comment in the earlier paragraph. I don't know, is she entitled to money? Was there a bargain struck? If there wasn't. As for magic, well apparently you are entitled to tell her she's not entitled to comment on certain things, what if I say you are not entitled to tell a person whether they are entitled or not? Where are these rules coming from? Just because someone doesn't practice some art or discipline doesn't mean they can't comment on it. If they don't know what they're talking about who cares what they say anyway.
"Stopping a war should bring in more coin." - She want's more money coming in to the Inquisition - she thinks she'll get more if it comes in.
Every time you do anything that allies you with Nobles, according to her "They beat down, you beat down, stupid."
Her whole reason for being there is all about what she gets. She cares nothing for stopping the war or closing the breach except that she will get more money if it's all "back to normal"
She thinks she's entitled to the money the Inquisition brings in, she thinks she's entitled to more money for life when the war is over and the breach closed. She thinks she's entitled to tell a mage inquisitor to stop using magic because, she doesn't like it. She thinks she is entitled to have a say in things she never did anything to prove she was worthy of having a say in.
Maybe in your world house guests and kids get to say how the house is ran and, who gets what but, not in mine. They are subordinates, as Sera is and, they need to act like it and, be glad for what is given them - not demand more, they are not entitled to what they have not earned. She has no understanding of politics or alliances so, does not earn the right to say anything about those things, yet she opens her mouth and gets mad about it anyway. She knows nothing of magic or mages yet she thinks she's entitled to tell you not to use magic.
Same as if I told you to give me your car because, yeah I have two but, I like yours and, because I'm a nobody that doesn't know anything about cars beyond how to drive one, I'm entitled to your car. It makes no sense. Now if I came up to you with 20 grand and asked politely to buy your car, you might sell it to me. If Sera asked you to explain things she didn't understand, and didn't retaliate with "Stupid, beats down." but listened and thought about it, then you might be willing to teach her. She makes no offer to make herself acceptable yet expects you to make yourself acceptable to her.
Um, no? Her concern isn't how much coin the Inquisition has, her concern is returning things to normal, so that she can go back to her lifestyle, which certainly wasn't making her rich. How much money does she make off the "The Inquisition Needs Bees" War Table mission, or "Drop and Grab", or the March missions? I can tell you right now that she makes 0 money off the March mission, since when we go to get her reward, it's an ambush set up for her:
Note that while things ended badly for the commoner in this video, the rest of the commoners that were caught in the middle of these two Nobles vying for more land had their lives improved due to Sera's influence. We get the mission from Sera, so if we decide to act on it, it's because of her influence, since w/out her, it won't come up at all.
Her War Table missions benefit the Inquisition far more than they benefit her, if they indeed do benefit her at all. How many times is she seen standing there with her hands in the Inquisition's coffers? I get that you're upset with your DiL, but really, you're projecting a lot of stuff on to Sera because of that that simply doesn't apply to Sera. Does she want a return to the way things were? Certainly, however, if we're going to say that that's a Bad ThingTM, doesn't that then apply to everyone that joins the Inquisition, including our advisors, and every companion we recruit, except maybe Cole, who wants to help people? After all, everyone is trying to restore order, which means return things to normal, right? Hence "restore", instead of "establish" order.
Sera goes on about arrogant nobles who think they are better than everybody else, yet Sera herself acts smug and superior, calling everything and everybody stupid for their beliefs, putting people down and being callous toward her party members, and the inq, even when they try to be kind and friendly to her. Most of the nobles ive met in the dragon age universe, throughout all of the games, have been kinder than Sera.
"Stopping a war should bring in more coin." - She want's more money coming in to the Inquisition - she thinks she'll get more if it comes in.
Every time you do anything that allies you with Nobles, according to her "They beat down, you beat down, stupid."
Her whole reason for being there is all about what she gets. She cares nothing for stopping the war or closing the breach except that she will get more money if it's all "back to normal"
She thinks she's entitled to the money the Inquisition brings in, she thinks she's entitled to more money for life when the war is over and the breach closed. She thinks she's entitled to tell a mage inquisitor to stop using magic because, she doesn't like it. She thinks she is entitled to have a say in things she never did anything to prove she was worthy of having a say in.
Maybe in your world house guests and kids get to say how the house is ran and, who gets what but, not in mine. They are subordinates, as Sera is and, they need to act like it and, be glad for what is given them - not demand more, they are not entitled to what they have not earned. She has no understanding of politics or alliances so, does not earn the right to say anything about those things, yet she opens her mouth and gets mad about it anyway. She knows nothing of magic or mages yet she thinks she's entitled to tell you not to use magic.
She doesn't want the IQ to use so much magic because she doesn't want people to be scared by the IQ in a bad way. She knows what most normal people'd think "Most people are scared. I mean there are a lot of mages here but most people never see one. Never! You're weird and I know you, so you are not scary, but lots of people don't know you. I don't want you to be just a scary mage" "I want to scare some people, our enemies" " It's not an arrow. You don't get to point it. Be careful, alright?"
"I'm fighting to make things better and learn the truth and sh*t, and it just keeps getting scarier" "Yes! Get in good before it's too big to like. That'll keep your breeches where they should be" >>> fighting for the little people she gets in the Inquisition before it becomes big and forgets all about the little people.
I gotta at people who think they know better than what bioware themselves clearly have written when you give Briala power in the epilogue it says all she does is fight for the elves, even to her own detriment and "status" as she gets a lot of resistance.
Briala only cares about the elf. She will do whatever and she already did get a lot of people (human) killed by fueling the civil war. Sera sees people as people whatever they are elf or human. Of course Sera doesn't agree with Briala's way.
She doesn't want the IQ to use so much magic because she doesn't want people to be scared by the IQ in a bad way. She knows what most normal people'd think "Most people are scared. I mean there are a lot of mages here but most people never see one. Never! You're weird and I know you, so you are not scary, but lots of people don't know you. I don't want you to be just a scary mage" "I want to scare some people, our enemies" " It's not an arrow. You don't get to point it. Be careful, alright?"
"I'm fighting to make things better and learn the truth and sh*t, and it just keeps getting scarier" "Yes! Get in good before it's too big to like. That'll keep your breeches where they should be" >>> fighting for the little people she gets in the Inquisition before it becomes big and forgets all about the little people.
Briala only cares about the elf. She will do whatever and she already did get a lot of people (human) killed by fueling the civil war. Sera sees people as people whatever they are elf or human. Of course Sera doesn't agree with Briala's way.
lol oh please, get off it, first you people say she doesnt care about elves, i show you what happens in the epilogue and, now youve switched out to she only cares about elves and gets humans killed, which humans exactly? She doesnt get humans killed, she gets resistance from NOBLES who want to keep the "little people" down, which just so happens to be mostly elves.
Sera goes on about arrogant nobles who think they are better than everybody else, yet Sera herself acts smug and superior, calling everything and everybody stupid for their beliefs, putting people down and being callous toward her party members, and the inq, even when they try to be kind and friendly to her. Most of the nobles ive met in the dragon age universe, throughout all of the games, have been kinder than Sera.
Obviously, the likes of Bann Teagan Arl Eamon, Bann Alfstanna and the sort would probably not earn the ire of the Red Jennies, but then we had real pieces of sh** like Vaughan Kendells and Arl Rendon Howe. Of course, we don't meet every minor noble meandering about Thedas.
Obviously, the likes of Bann Teagan Arl Eamon, Bann Alfstanna and the sort would probably not earn the ire of the Red Jennies, but then we had real pieces of sh** like Vaughan Kendells and Arl Rendon Howe. Of course, we don't meet every minor noble meandering about Thedas.
lol thats not the point, the point is that Sera is just as arrogant as the people she supposedly fights against.
But what does it matter? It's not like these people are targeted for their arrogance; they're targeted for abusing the people that work for them. Heck Vivienne practically invented the thing, but it's not really important, because she obviously isn't malevolent.
How she kills a guy when you are in the middle of negotiating with them. I wanted to just get rid of her (and I did have the option), but she's the best archer on the team and I needed her. God she is an awfully annoying piece of crap though.
She never says anything to the effect of being entitled to the money the Inquisition itself brings in, and far as I can tell, she never pilfers Josephine's coffers for any of it. She already makes money though the Jenny shenanigans. In any case, I don't really see why it matters. Iron Bull is there for money and Vivienne is there for political gain. It seems to me that it's more important that the character is at least up front with their motivations. It's not like she's an ancient elven deity trying to correct her f*ckups on the downlow or something.
This is one of those funny comments where someone tries to make another look better because she's not as bad as someone else. This is my theory for why people watch certain reality TV shows, so they can say; "hey, I'm not that bad."
Sera is a bad person, by and large. She's a thief, after all, is narrow-minded and very immature, and a bit of a bigot. Of course, a lot of other people in the game are also bad people, like Viv, Iron Bull, Briala, Celene, and a host of others. This game is full of people who are just plain bad, cruel, thoroughly self serving, etc. Sera is just one in a crowd of general jerks and unpleasant folks.
lol oh please, get off it, first you people say she doesnt care about elves, i show you what happens in the epilogue and, now youve switched out to she only cares about elves and gets humans killed, which humans exactly? She doesnt get humans killed, she gets resistance from NOBLES who want to keep the "little people" down, which just so happens to be mostly elves.
How many copies of the DA books were in Sera's room? I don't recall seeing any, but apparently you did? She has the same information going into WE/WH as I did, having not read the books, and frankly, you have to put Briala in power to get the results you're talking about here. I never did, and never saw this, and never read the books, so what I know of Briala is what's presented in game, which is why she hasn't gotten into a position of power in my games. I see the same things Sera does, and I'm not impressed, especially as a Dalish.
You can metagame it if you like, but metagaming isn't a requirement. In order for me to come to the same conclusions you do about Briala, I have to carry knowledge into the game that my Inquisitors aren't privy to. I don't, because I'm not privy to the knowledge either, I haven't read the books. I also don't disregard how she's trying to keep the War running prior to WE/WH, by attacking both sides, thus costing human lives as well as elves. I get that Briala is some kind of Folk Hero to you, but to me, she's just another Noble playing the Game. I will, eventually, have to put her in some kind of power, I think there's an achievement that will be hard to get if I don't go all out into the Game in WE/WH. So far, however, the two Inquisitors that got that far weren't interested in having her in power.
All of which is off topic for this thread, however. Sera's view of Briala is painted based on my view, since neither one of us have read the books.
This is one of those funny comments where someone tries to make another look better because she's not as bad as someone else. This is my theory for why people watch certain reality TV shows, so they can say; "hey, I'm not that bad."
Sera is a bad person, by and large. She's a thief, after all, is narrow-minded and very immature, and a bit of a bigot. Of course, a lot of other people in the game are also bad people, like Viv, Iron Bull, Briala, Celene, and a host of others. This game is full of people who are just plain bad, cruel, thoroughly self serving, etc. Sera is just one in a crowd of general jerks and unpleasant folks.
Briala isnt self-serving in the way you seem to be suggesting, she lives for her cause, and sacrifices much for it. nor is she bigoted for that matter, she never expresses bigoted beliefs about humans in the book or the game. Viv actualy has quite a bit of compassion for some people, for example the tranquil, she is very protective of them. If you do Iron Bulls personal quest you get to apoint where you can sacrifice his team for an alliance with the qunari, Bull chooces his team, if you agree with him they survive. He then becomes a tal-vashoth, no longer welcome in his society and will be killed on the spot if he goes. Not everything is black and white you know.
This, again, really? She doesn't know who these people are, but I've already linked a video to demonstrate that. It was, of course, summarily ignored, because then this argument doesn't hold water.
The first minute of the video actually refutes your claim.
lol oh please, get off it, first you people say she doesnt care about elves, i show you what happens in the epilogue and, now youve switched out to she only cares about elves and gets humans killed, which humans exactly? She doesnt get humans killed, she gets resistance from NOBLES who want to keep the "little people" down, which just so happens to be mostly elves.
I've never said Briala doesn't care about the Elf. Get your fact straight. What is this "you people"? Have you gone the the Dales, where towns got destroyed , people being burned to black charcoal because of the civil war? Do I need to link the video where the Inquisitior found the 2 dead ambassadors of Celene and the Grand Duke that she killed so that the war would continue ?
Lemme just re-open my TME copy and show you some lines.
Val Royeaux would be possible. Briala felt the pull of the magic through her, felt it twist to match her intention. But Val Royeaux would also put Celene in a position to end this war quickly and easily.
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“It will be a hard winter,” Mihris said from behind her, shivering. “If neither Gaspard nor Celene finishes this quickly, many people will die.”
“Wars often have that effect,” said Felassan as he came out into the light, squinting.
...
“Which army are you going to hamstring?”
Briala looked over at Felassan, smiling, even as she started to shiver from the winter’s chill. “Whichever one seems to be winning. What was it? Anaris and Andruil?”
Felassan smiled. “You prolong their fight, and in the chaos, your people work free from their bonds?”
“It can work, I think.” Briala held her arms around her.
Briala isnt self-serving in the way you seem to be suggesting, she lives for her cause, and sacrifices much for it. nor is she bigoted for that matter, she never expresses bigoted beliefs about humans in the book or the game. Viv actualy has quite a bit of compassion for some people, for example the tranquil, she is very protective of them. If you do Iron Bulls personal quest you get to apoint where you can sacrifice his team for an alliance with the qunari, Bull chooces his team, if you agree with him they survive. He then becomes a tal-vashoth, no longer welcome in his society and will be killed on the spot if he goes. Not everything is black and white you know.
Ermm..I said those things about Sera, not Briala.... Either way, nothing you said contradicts my point, or even addresses it, so I'm not sure what you're trying to say.
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at people who honestly believe Briala gives a flying f**k about the elves over her own personal power by the time the winter palace quest happens, she's a wannabe noble by that point
