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[Heimdall]

I've always thought Sera's attitude toward elves comes from people expecting her to feel a kinship for other elves and how that clashes with her upbringing.  She was raised by a human women, among humans, in a well off estate, not in an alienage.  All she really has in common with other elves is the shape of her ears.  She also displays disdain for the very idea of race being an important part of personal identity.  The beliefs of dalish elves probably rubs her the wrong way more than the others because of the elf-supremacy aspect.

 

I imagine she must have met a clan once and gotten an earful about her she should act and believe in proper elfy ways.

 

Then there's her Andrastianism, and the threat the elven gods pose to that in her existential dread of "Nothing"...  Yeah, I think there are many layers to Sera's feelings about elves.

[andy6915]

I've always thought Sera's attitude toward elves comes from people expecting her to feel a kinship for other elves and how that clashes with her upbringing.  She was raised by a human women, among humans, in a well off estate, not in an alienage.  All she really has in common with other elves is the shape of her ears.  She also displays disdain for the very idea of race being an important part of personal identity.  The beliefs of dalish elves probably rubs her the wrong way more than the others because of the elf-supremacy aspect.

 

I imagine she must have met a clan once and gotten an earful about her she should act and believe in proper elfy ways.

 

Then there's her Andrastianism, and the threat the elven gods pose to that in her existential dread of "Nothing"...  Yeah, I think there are many layers to Sera's feelings about elves.

 

Her fear of the void has to do with elven gods?

[Orian Tabris]

Can we like, lock this thread already? This has been nothing but BS by entitled whiners from almost the very beginning.

 

So many people lack the ability to distinguish between 'fictional character' and 'real person'. You're not expected to like someone like Sera in real life, but for the purposes of fiction, she's intended as an interesting character to be explored. She lacks manners, she's abrasive and impulsive, and she hasn't been shown how to be mature, but that's a result of her upbringing (or lack thereof), and her various personal issues.

 

If so many whiners can't see that, then maybe they're the problem. The same could be said regarding Vivienne.

 

Seriously people, shut your opinionated mouths, and let's have a fun thread regarding DA.

[Heimdall]

Not "The Void" as in the place we've heard about in lore, but the existential fear of "Nothing" that there are no gods, no afterlife, that there is nothing.  That's how I interpreted Sera's fear in the Fade, a fear of nothingness.

[andy6915]

Not "The Void" as in the place we've heard about in lore, but the existential fear of "Nothing" that there are no gods, no afterlife, that there is nothing.  That's how I interpreted Sera's fear in the Fade, a fear of nothingness.

 

I interpret it as a fear of the void. Specifically, her fear of ending up there. Whether that is because of her personality of because she's actually Andruil and is scared to end up there again after she hunted there for centuries and lost her mind because of it before Mythal killed her divinity and knowledge of how to reach the void ever again... Is up to the individual who interprets it that way.

[Wulfram]

Are we sure she wasn't traumatised by watching The Neverending Story as a child?

[Dabrikishaw]

I thought she was kind of a baby when she threw that temper tantrum with Pel Harmon. Kind of wished she'd do that against me if I pissed her off enough so I could break her neck or something.

To be honest I don't have a problem with what Harmon did. He's a Fereldan Lord removing Orlesians from his land and killing Sera's contacts can be synonymous with "killed members of a terrorist organization" if you don't agree with the Red Jennies.

 

I've only used the Nobility Knowledge perk once. Next time I speak to Harmon I'll ally with him instead before booting Sera out.

[Dabrikishaw]

If you make him an agent, she actually doesn't mind that much, and laughs about him being leashed.

That's a different option, the speech perk one. The one I'm talking about was just a regular dialogue option, and Sera didn't initially approve like she does with the perk one.

[KaiserShep]

Wait, is he an agent if you force him to serve the Inquisition? I thought that only happened with the alliance route.

To be honest I don't have a problem with what Harmon did. He's a Fereldan Lord removing Orlesians from his land and killing Sera's contacts can be synonymous with "killed members of a terrorist organization" if you don't agree with the Red Jennies.
 
I've only used the Nobility Knowledge perk once. Next time I speak to Harmon I'll ally with him instead before booting Sera out.

Except that's not really how this goes down for Harmond. He's not concerned about the origins of the refugees. He never mentions it, so it would be off base to presume his motivations beyond the Jennies and servants challenging his land grab scheme. He himself says outright that it was just about amassing his fortune, so basically, he killed people because they were meddling in his land squabble, not because he felt his life or even livelihood was in serious jeopardy.

[KaiserShep]

I always go for the nobility perk but Harmond doesn't become an agent, though I don't really care if he does or not.

[KaiserShep]

It just makes me want to kill him harder. Why offer anything if you ain't gonna deliver?

[Boost32]

I like Sera, she was the annoying little sister that you hate to love.
She only disagreed with my Inquisitor when he declared that the Inquisition belonged to the faithful, all the others choices she agreed (conscripting the templars, forcing the truce in Halamshiral, rebuilding the Wardens and even conscripting Harmond).
And I really liked the scenes in the rooftop and the one were they thrashed the Dalish religion.

[Dabrikishaw]

Wait, is he an agent if you force him to serve the Inquisition? I thought that only happened with the alliance route.


Except that's not really how this goes down for Harmond. He's not concerned about the origins of the refugees. He never mentions it, so it would be off base to presume his motivations beyond the Jennies and servants challenging his land grab scheme. He himself says outright that it was just about amassing his fortune, so basically, he killed people because they were meddling in his land squabble, not because he felt his life or even livelihood was in serious jeopardy.

What I said was my reasons for not having a problem with him ultimately doing any of that. He doesn't really need to say that's why he's doing it. 

 

At the end of the day for me, Harmon didn't do anything so disproportionally  out of line that I would find him dis-likable.

[The Baconer]

Verchiel is nowhere near Ferelden, and the area south of it, where people were being killed and displaced, wasn't even his land. He was forcing people out of their homes in order to contest another noble's claim to the area. Further, if I recall correctly, forcing Harmond into the Inquisition yields literally nothing. As in, no power, no influence, agent.

 

Letting Sera turn him into salsa at least provides some entertainment.

[Dabrikishaw]

Verchiel is nowhere near Ferelden, and the area south of it, where people were being killed and displaced, wasn't even his land. He was forcing people out of their homes in order to contest another noble's claim to the area. Further, if I recall correctly, forcing Harmond into the Inquisition yields literally nothing. As in, no power, no influence, agent.

 

Letting Sera turn him into salsa at least provides some entertainment.

His family is Fereldan. He obtained lands in Orlais, and got into a dispute with an Orlesian noble that necessitated him to start driving out the locals and repopulate it with his own people.

[The Baconer]

His family is Fereldan. He obtained lands in Orlais, and got into a dispute with an Orlesian noble that necessitated him to start driving out the locals and repopulate it with his own people.

 

He wasn't compelled to do anything. The lands that were contested were outside the territory he initially obtained. He pushed south because he wanted to, and people were killed or displaced over his own greed.

[Dabrikishaw]

He wasn't compelled to do anything. The lands that were contested were outside the territory he initially obtained. He pushed south because he wanted to, and people were killed or displaced over his own greed.

Yeah, I'm not contesting any of that.  

 

Lord Harmond's just a Fereldan patriot to me.

[The Baconer]

Yeah, I'm not contesting any of that.  

 

Lord Harmond's just a Fereldan patriot to me.

 

He's not even a patriot. Harmond is only about Harmond, the nationalities of the people in play are immaterial.

[Dabrikishaw]

He's not even a patriot. Harmond is only about Harmond, the nationalities of the people in play are immaterial.

Lord Harmond was nothing less than a Fereldan patriot, and an example for every bann to follow.

[Beren Von Ostwick]

Lord Harmond was nothing less than a Fereldan patriot, and an example for every bann to follow.

 

*Loghain greatly approves (but I don't)*

[The Baconer]

Lord Harmond was nothing less than a Fereldan patriot, and an example for every bann to follow.

 

I prefer Santitas over Doritos.