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[Dabrikishaw]

*Loghain greatly approves (but I don't)*

I don't much care for Loghain actually, hope that doesn't make me a hypocrite.

 

I prefer Santitas over Doritos.

Never heard of Sanitatas, so I had to look them up.  They look good.

[Rel Fexive]

Lord Harmond was nothing less than a Fereldan patriot, and an example for every bann to follow.

 

Yes, let's have all of them treating the folk they are supposed to be responsible for, and protect, like expendable game pieces to be exterminated on a whim to gain wealth/land/prestige.  After all, it's worth it to get some land away from those nasty Orlesians, who like to play their Game and treat people like expendable game pieces to be exterminated on a whim to gain wealth/land/prestige.  The bastards.

[Guitar-Hero]

Best thing in the game is Sara, i would romance her so hard if she wasn't gay, hell i did but my straight magic didn't work on her.... Hmm, maybe because i refer to it as "straight magic" and the word long john silver is usually involved.

 

I would say that its the same reason some people don't like Yennefer from TW3, because they haven't read the books, except there aren't any books where she is featured soo...  Im gonna go with that some people just didn't like stuff, some people don't like puppies or icecream and some people like not liking stuff, some people like twillight some don't. I love Sara and i asume you do too, that means we have something in common which is the first step to world peace.  

[robertthebard]

Lord Harmond was nothing less than a Fereldan patriot, and an example for every bann to follow.

Yep. Every Bann should be forcing the peasants from every other Bann off their lands, after all, what's the worst that could happen, civil war? However, to apply your view of Harmond to Sera, she was every bit as justified in turning him to wine as he was to lure you into an ambush. He was "barely invested" in being Sera's enemy that he went to great lengths to find out who talked, apparently, since it's likely Sera didn't talk, and I know I didn't. However, if "might makes right", Sera had the power, so she's right.

[Toasted Llama]

Best thing in the game is Sara, i would romance her so hard if she wasn't gay, hell i did but my straight magic didn't work on her.... Hmm, maybe because i refer to it as "straight magic" and the word long john silver is usually involved.

 

I would say that its the same reason some people don't like Yennefer from TW3, because they haven't read the books, except there aren't any books where she is featured soo...  Im gonna go with that some people just didn't like stuff, some people don't like puppies or icecream and some people like not liking stuff, some people like twillight some don't. I love Sara and i asume you do too, that means we have something in common which is the first step to world peace.  

I don't know who the hell this "Sara" person you're talking about is, but this thread is about Sera.

[The Lone Shadow]

Maybe he means Saria from Zelda.

[Guitar-Hero]

I don't know who the hell this "Sara" person you're talking about is, but this thread is about Sera.

Wow hostile, alright you win. 

[andy6915]

Maybe he means Saria from Zelda.

 
Oh, you mean Link's one true love?

 

Spoiler

 

 

[The Lone Shadow]

 Link and Saria in the future when Link is an adult.

 

Link: Yes, this is my girlfriend and no she is not ten years old. She's just short.

[zenstrata]

Sera was seriously cramping my style.

 

I always play a dalish elf as my primary.

 

My main goal throughout all of the dragon age games has been to restore the elves to what they once were.  In Dragon Age Origins at the end I re-created an elvish nation (which was conveniently ignored in the next two games. . thanks for lying to us and not really giving us choice in our games Bioware - actually no thanks, that was a bad move to ignore that whole possibility)

 

None of my characters ever believed in the 'maker' as a god.  I always followed the old elvish traditions, I view the 'maker' as a convenient excuse that humans turned into a religion to oppress, control, and enslave large groups of beings and generally oppress and put a stranglehold on magic and those who can control it.  The most my characters think of the entire idea of the 'maker' as a possible person of power who once existed and had influence at some time in the past, but I do not follow the dominant human thoughts on matter.

 

Sera comes along and spits on everything my characters stand for.  She is immature (reacts like a 12 year old to most situations), crass, vulgar, and very closed minded.  

 

Having her in my party was making me feel like I could not play the game the way I wanted to, because I was trying to raise her affection initially, and the only way to do that was by playing completely counter to my characters beliefs.

 

I had hopes of actually being able to change sera's mind, at the very least to have her become a little more accepting of The Dalish - the same way I was able to rescue Leliana from following that oppressive religious 'maker' viewpoint in the first game. . . which Bioware again decided to conveniently ignore as even being a possibility in the options they allowed to carry over from the previous games.. . Thanks again for being terrible and ignoring that as an option for us, actually again no-thanks - that was another annoying move on Biowares part.  They brought Leliana back and turned her into just as big of a 'maker' fanatic as she started out in game 1, I found that pretty sad.

 

Anyway, those are my thoughts on the matter.  I do not keep Sera in my adventuring party, and am much happier she isn't there.  Especially after reading this thread and discovering Sera is a completely lost cause, and not worth spending the time on.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

You never stopped Leliana from believing in the Maker, even within the confines of the first game.

[zenstrata]

You never stopped Leliana from believing in the Maker, even within the confines of the first game.

Oh yes I did.  I hardened her, and she fell in love with my Dalish Elf female, and we went off to live together (i.e. she stayed with me, my elf survived and killed the dragon, because I had Alistair perform the dark ritual with Morrigan, and afterward because I had such a strong relationship with Alistair, I was able to convince him to marry Anora who reigned as king and queen.  Alistiar gave me lands for the Dalish or any other elves who wanted to move there and live free, and in the game Leliana professed that she was happy I had saved her from her belief in the 'maker'.  Just because you didn't find it in your playthroughs does not mean it was not possible as an option.  In my game Leliana should be living with the first warden from game 1 in the new Dalish nation.

[The Lone Shadow]

In the first game, the only thing you are changing about Leliana is whether she should return to her old princess - stabbity bard roots or continue on her sweet merciful chantry sister persona.

 

Also, yes the game is much more pleasant for a dalish if you leave out Sera.

[zenstrata]

In the first game, the only thing you are changing about Leliana is whether she should return to her old princess - stabbity bard roots or continue on her sweet merciful chantry sister persona.

 

Also, yes the game is much more pleasant for a dalish if you leave out Sera.

No, you can convince Leliana (with the proper choices), to stop believing in the 'maker' and stay with you.  You need to get her to fall in love with you, and not leave you at the end of the game (which is very difficult I might add) after hardening her but Not having her kill her old mentor.  It might have had something to do with being a dalish elf also. . and always disagreeing with her beliefs in the maker religion in general while pushing a more open viewpoint about other possibilities.  Its been a long time since i played, but I know it should be possible, because I distinctly remember doing it.

[The Lone Shadow]

Oh yes I did.  I hardened her, and she fell in love with my Dalish Elf female, and we went off to live together (i.e. she stayed with me, my elf survived and killed the dragon, because I had Alistair perform the dark ritual with Morrigan, and afterward because I had such a strong relationship with Alistair, I was able to convince him to marry Anora who reigned as king and queen.  Alistiar gave me lands for the Dalish or any other elves who wanted to move there and live free, and in the game Leliana professed that she was happy I had saved her from her belief in the 'maker'.  Just because you didn't find it in your playthroughs does not mean it was not possible as an option.  In my game Leliana should be living with the first warden from game 1 in the new Dalish nation.

Really? Well, damn Bioware why you retcon so much

[zenstrata]

Really? Well, damn Bioware why you retcon so much

yeah. .. I am a little peeved at bioware for this, I feel like they didn't let me bring my own choices into Inquisition on this matter, when they said they would. .. and then didn't.  Probably due to voice acting reasons.  They would have needed to add the grey warden from game 1 back into the game, or put someone else entirely as the spymaster for Inquisition if they had let these choices stay as options.  Not to mention changing the storyline for the elves as well...

[Jedi Master of Orion]

Oh yes I did.  I hardened her, and she fell in love with my Dalish Elf female, and we went off to live together (i.e. she stayed with me, my elf survived and killed the dragon, because I had Alistair perform the dark ritual with Morrigan, and afterward because I had such a strong relationship with Alistair, I was able to convince him to marry Anora who reigned as king and queen.  Alistiar gave me lands for the Dalish or any other elves who wanted to move there and live free, and in the game Leliana professed that she was happy I had saved her from her belief in the 'maker'.  Just because you didn't find it in your playthroughs does not mean it was not possible as an option.  In my game Leliana should be living with the first warden from game 1 in the new Dalish nation.

 

Leliana still believes in the Maker when she's hardened, that is my point. Her dialogue still contains indicators as such. I'm also pretty sure that she doesn't say that you "saved her from belief in the Maker." When she's hardened, she thanks you for reminding her that she felt right as a bard.

 

[zenstrata]

So I did some research, I could have confused her saying that you saved her from a life in the chantry as saving her from the belief in the maker.  Even so, I don't feel like she would have continued following chantry beliefs after falling in love with a dalish who very clearly did not.

[The Lone Shadow]

Why not? She believes in the Maker but doesn't believe in a lot of what the Chantry has done, particularly when it comes to the treatment of elves and mages. She's not Sera in that "You have to denounce your elven faith or I'm breaking up with you."

[Walrider]

So I did some research, I could have confused her saying that you saved her from a life in the chantry as saving her from the belief in the maker.  Even so, I don't feel like she would have continued following chantry beliefs after falling in love with a dalish who very clearly did not.

 

Why not? People date others of different religious beliefs all the time.

[Rel Fexive]

So yes, Sera is pretty but hates the things you like. So? Thats not her "fault", and you can't change her fundamental opinions on things, which has always been true for companions in all Bioware games. Welcome to (Bioware) life.

Put another way, you can't, for example, make Cass or Leliana turn from her faith, Varric betray his friends, Solas give up on spirits, or Dorian abandon his dream to redeem Tevinter either. This is no different. Only difference is she doesn't like things that are popular with many players.

So, when you found out she and your Inquisitrix weren't compatible you should've.... oh, I don't know.... stopped trying to romance her, and maybe romanced someone else.

The only person to blame for pursuing a romance that didn't work for your character is you!

[andy6915]

Why not? She believes in the Maker but doesn't believe in a lot of what the Chantry has done, particularly when it comes to the treatment of elves and mages.

 

And this is still true in DAI. If she becomes Divine, she changes the Chantry far more than the other 2 do. She believes in the Maker, but think a lot of what the Chantry says is rubbish and needs changing. Put her is a position to change the Chantry as much as she thought it needed it, and she does so.

[The Lone Shadow]

Sera reminds me of this video now that I think about it. https://www.youtube....h?v=iluqmUGG6Yo

[Serelir]

I don't hate Sera, but I don't actually like her as a person, which is different from liking her as a character. She's an interesting, complicated, irritating character, and that adds depth to the game. It'd be really boring if everyone was nicey nice and agreeable all the time. I absolutely loathe Vivienne, for example, but she's an excellent foil. It's actually pretty weird that so many characters like my Inquisitor, since she's a Dalish mage. 

 

What I dislike about some of the "favorite companion/class/place/game" threads is that people consider any criticism as heinous disloyalty. I don't mind that people hate some of my favorite characters in the series. What's most satisfying for me is a character who can change over time, who can consider other opinions and grow. Likewise, conversations with other players about characters whom they like and I dislike and vice versa have led me to re-examine some of my initial reactions. Sera, for example, reminds me of someone who's caused too much drama and hurt in my life, so I avoided talking to her on my first playthrough. I'm trying to give her a chance on my next go round, and even though I disagree with her much of the time, I'm trying to arrive at an understanding of her motivations and abrasiveness and to work with her despite our differences.

[XEternalXDreamsX]

Hmmm, I just noticed Sera can wear Medium (only human trained) armor. Can she wear Elf exclusive armor or is it too elfy? I I can't find anything on it and I am not at home to check.