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[Ski Mask Wei]

In his defense, what Sera does to the guy is legitemately American History X level of horrible. It ranks among the most violent & disturbing scenes in the franchise as far as I'm concerned.

 

However, I do think this outcome is the worst of the potential scenarios in this quest, and also an indicator that a Friendquisitor failed to help her become a better person.

 

Structurally it reminds me of Zaeed's loyalty mission. You have the choice of either letting the "old self" have their terrible way, to easily gain their approval; or take a chance at tough love & initially upset them, in order to change their POV from there on in.

 

To be honest the violence didn't disturb me I was just surprised she jumped the gun.  My Assquisitor was mad she killed him while we were negotiating and went on a power trip. Oh well, Blackwall didn't like The Assquisitor either.  On my canon (first) playthrough I just told her "I don't want to argue" because she's useful and left it at that.  Never know when a Virmire situation may come up.       

[Rel Fexive]

The main thing I remember about the Harmond scene was my Inquisitrix trying to pump the nasty idiot for information only to get interrupted by an understandably very angry Sera.  That kind of interruption doesn't happen in games very often, but she did warn you!  Afterwards I think my Inquisitrix apologised for, basically, not killing him sooner.  He was a nasty idiot, after all, and we'd put down bad types who'd done far less in the past.

[Inverse_Twilight]

I never really had a problem with Sera killing Harmond. In my game, he signed his death warrant with that dig about my 'Foreign Nature.' I did try making him serve the inquisition once but I prefer to let Sera kill him, he just deserves it. The beat down was pretty gruesome but I thought it fit Sera's character, all rage and frustration coming out unexpectedly.

I was not expecting her to do that in my first playthrough and it surprised the hell out of me, but I did tell her to kill him, so I couldn't really be mad at her for it.

[KaiserShep]

The beatdown is pretty bad I suppose, but I'd argue Solas burning those three apostates alive was far worse. 

 

I agree. I once let Solas deal with them, and he left them as charred corpses. Harmond was probably knocked out cold before he bit the big one, but those three mages probably felt every excruciating second.

[XEternalXDreamsX]

The main thing I remember about the Harmond scene was my Inquisitrix trying to pump the nasty idiot for information only to get interrupted by an understandably very angry Sera. That kind of interruption doesn't happen in games very often, but she did warn you! Afterwards I think my Inquisitrix apologised for, basically, not killing him sooner. He was a nasty idiot, after all, and we'd put down bad types who'd done far less in the past.

Lol, Sera is nuts but it's funny. I'm going through the dialogue with that guy. Just listening to him and she just lays him out... I have my hands out, saying "Holy ****, what the **** are you doing!" But afterwards, "Meh, oh well.. time to go."

[KaiserShep]

In my first playthrough, I just let her kill him when he just blithely mentions the murder like it ain't no thang. I was like "Ok, well we can be all casual about your murder too."

But going through the questions, it was sort of difficult to imagine her not doing anything, given her final words before getting fed up. 

[AntiChri5]

You must be absolutely aware why that (everlasting) argument is a complete dramaturgical fallacy, so holster your buzzwords a little there kimosabe.

 

Sera's kill is portrayed exceptionally disgustingly, and that is absolutely all that matters. By your logic -which again, is sound, but simply not applicable for the sake of it- Super Mario is the bad guy, since all Bowser does is take one woman hostage.

Have you seen some of the weapons and abilities in this game, man?

 

Mages routinely set people on fire, the weapons used by rogues and warriors can have abilities that make people literally explode into viscera upon death.

 

By Inquisition's standards, Sera is downright gentle. Just a good old fashioned fatally brutal beatdown.

[Dieb]

Have you seen some of the weapons and abilities in this game, man?

 

Mages routinely set people on fire, the weapons used by rogues and warriors can have abilities that make people literally explode into viscera upon death.

 

By Inquisition's standards, Sera is downright gentle. Just a good old fashioned fatally brutal beatdown.

 

Nah, like I said, I get that.

 

But as it's been said before, the cinematics/sound department went out of their way to make the scene pretty gross.

 

I believe that in drama, presentation & intention is everything. If it weren't so, they could have had her blow the guy up, which factually is more "violent" than "just" kicking him in the face. And still, somehow, it makes me cringe way more than having Vivienne incinerate fools by the dozens. I mean seriously, it took me 1 1/2 playthroughs to fully remember how most humanoid mooks even look like.

 

But again, it's just my opinion. I like to believe there was a definite intention to make this scene stand out by the obvious sheer savageness of its presentation.

[MEBengal2008]

My first play through I thought about kicking her more than once. I also noticed she was the lone person I could kick, maybe because we did not become friends.

 

I find her speech rather annoying, she says one thing but means another, and the only way to really improve your relationship with her is to be a smart arse. That just is not my normal play through in DA. In DA my normal play through is being a helpful all good character. Normally....

 

Usually I do one run of being the most evil I can be in the game and that is coming up with my next play through. The only issue is that I will be a rogue and that may cause some issues as I only like runing with one rogue, 2 mages and one warrior....

[Cobra's_back]

It is hard to figure out what she is saying. I understand why she hates the Templars and Mages. They both caused many commoners to die, and that is why she greatly disapproves any alliance with either party.

 

There are times when she is totally on target, and has more intelligence than Solas. Solas always tries to get someone in the group to start a rebellion, but he has no concept of what needs to happen after. He is like the guy who finds fault with everything but no solutions. She told him if the commoners revolted against the nobles, it would just create a new class that took advantage of others. She nailed it.

 

The part I don't really understand is her disapproval of an alliance with Abelas. I believe she is the only person who disapproves. If anyone knows please share.

[Veovim]

The part I don't really understand is her disapproval of an alliance with Abelas. I believe she is the only person who disapproves. If anyone knows please share.

I think she's just acting on instinct.  Sera believes in the Maker, but she's really, really insecure in that belief.  Given that insecurity, Abelas, the sentinels, and the Temple of Mythal in general are just one big threat to her.

 

Compare that to other characters with better emotional grounding, like Casandra, who seems willing to consider that maybe there are other gods that co-exist along with the Maker, or Mother Giselle, who opines that the elven gods might represent different aspects of the Maker.  The discovery of the temple makes them stop and think about things, but it doesn't provoke an instinctive backlash.

[Jaison1986]

 

The part I don't really understand is her disapproval of an alliance with Abelas. I believe she is the only person who disapproves. If anyone knows please share.

 

No one knows for sure. My guess it's just her spiteful dislike to anything that is "elfy". So she doesn't like that you are making deals with the elfy guy.

[myahele]

My Inquisitor was always trying the diplomatic route, so her killing him while I'm trying to talk to him was a big no no. At most, I expected her to beat him, but to kill him?

[Cobra's_back]

My Inquisitor was always trying the diplomatic route, so her killing him while I'm trying to talk to him was a big no no. At most, I expected her to beat him, but to kill him?

 

I agree with this. It really doesn't show she has any control or respect for your authority. Solas will at least say "please let me kill them". I use Nobility Knowledge perk and take over the guy's land before she can do anything.

[Rel Fexive]

My Inquisitor was always trying the diplomatic route, so her killing him while I'm trying to talk to him was a big no no. At most, I expected her to beat him, but to kill him?

 

She did warn you though, yeah?  Repeatedly?  Every time you asked him something?  That what she did when I played that scene.  I guess you should've paid more attention! 

[myahele]

I agree with this. It really doesn't show she has any control or respect for your authority. Solas will at least say "please let me kill them". I use Nobility Knowledge perk and take over the guy's land before she can do anything.

 

Yeah, me too. But I had to start over from an save a few minutes before the event occurred because I was busy questioning him and her "warnings" didn't seem too threatening ... sure i (and many others?) didn't expect her to outright kill the guy. 

 

The "warnings" were just saying how she's getting angrier and angrier

 

I think she's the only companion that actually kills someone without your permission.

[Rel Fexive]

Yeah, me too. But I had to start over from an save a few minutes before the event occurred because I was busy questioning him and her "warnings" didn't seem too threatening ... sure i (and many others?) didn't expect her to outright kill the guy. 

 

I think she's the only companion that actually kills someone without your permission.

 

Makes a nice change to have a companion that can do things without asking pretty please first, doesn't it?

 

Like, Solas is all "I'M REALLY ANGRY!!1! THEY KILLED MY FRIEND!1!!1!  Can I have your permission to kill them please?  No?  Oh, okay then, I'll just go off and sulk think for a bit then."

 

This is better, or at least more realistic, surely?

[myahele]

Spoiler

Leliana will kill Felix, but that's in the future

If you side with the mages

[Inverse_Twilight]

Makes a nice change to have a companion that can do things without asking pretty please first, doesn't it?

 

Like, Solas is all "I'M REALLY ANGRY!!1! THEY KILLED MY FRIEND!1!!1!  Can I have your permission to kill them please?  No?  Oh, okay then, I'll just go off and sulk think for a bit then."

 

This is better, or at least more realistic, surely?

I kinda like that Sera is unpredictable and doesn't treat your Inquisitor differently because she is in charge. It's kind of refreshing because everyone else rushes to kiss the Inquisitors butt.

[The Lone Shadow]

She is not the only companion to kill someone without your permission.  Leliana will kill the chantry priestess in her quest, even if you say "No, Leliana, no killing."

[Inverse_Twilight]

She is not the only companion to kill someone without your permission.  Leliana will kill the chantry priestess in her quest, even if you say "No, Leliana, no killing."

It is true that she kills someone without your permission, but Leliana isn't really a companion. She is an adviser and doesn't have to follow your orders.

[Cobra's_back]

Makes a nice change to have a companion that can do things without asking pretty please first, doesn't it?

 

Like, Solas is all "I'M REALLY ANGRY!!1! THEY KILLED MY FRIEND!1!!1!  Can I have your permission to kill them please?  No?  Oh, okay then, I'll just go off and sulk think for a bit then."

 

This is better, or at least more realistic, surely?

 

You miss the point. She asked to join the inquisition, and she asked you the leader of the inquisition to go with her. When she did that her actions are now the inquisition's actions.

 

She has taken over the leader's position, and executed the guy under the inquisition's banner. If she just wanted to kill him, she should have done it on her own not involve the inquisition.

[The Lone Shadow]

I kinda like that Sera is unpredictable and doesn't treat your Inquisitor differently because she is in charge. It's kind of refreshing because everyone else rushes to kiss the Inquisitors butt.

 

I wouldn't say that the other companions are trying to kiss you're butt. Vivi and Solas don't. Get enough disapproval from the iron lady and she starts some passive aggressive bull***, and Solas will berate you and be sarcastic bastard. The only difference between them and Sera is that she can be an a sh*t to you even with moderately high approval.

 

Edit.

 

I'd say everyone is pretty much being decent to you, not in butt kissing territory. Its just that Sera has an abrasive personality.

Modifié par The Lone Shadow, 08 juillet 2015 - 09:35 .

[Cobra's_back]

She is not the only companion to kill someone without your permission.  Leliana will kill the chantry priestess in her quest, even if you say "No, Leliana, no killing."

 

Leliana executes the person. She has a higher command level than Sera. Leliana does it because the Chantry priestess is an enemy to the inquisition.

 

The guy was not an enemy to the inquisition.

[Cobra's_back]

It is true that she kills someone without your permission, but Leliana isn't really a companion. She is an adviser and doesn't have to follow your orders.

 

Also, true that as Skymaster she knew the women was a threat to the organization.