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[Rel Fexive]

You miss the point. She asked to join the inquisition, and she asked you the leader of the inquisition to go with her. When she did that her actions are now the inquisition's actions.

 

She has taken over the leader's position, and executed the guy under the inquisition's banner. If she just wanted to kill him, she should have done it on her own not involve the inquisition.

 

I assume your Inquisitor chastised her for her behaviour then?  If so, I don't see the problem.

 

As for involving the Inquisition, she asked for help seeing how the Inquisitor had already helped her with the missions that got them to that point.  Then she finds out the arse-biscuit needs his face rearranging, and not being one for complicated and drawn-out planning warns the Inquisitor she's going to do one on the guy.

 

If you don't stop her, you've only got yourself to blame.

[Rel Fexive]

Leliana executes the person. She has a higher command level than Sera. Leliana does it because the Chantry priestess is an enemy to the inquisition.

 

The guy was not an enemy to the inquisition.

 

He's an enemy to the people he should be protecting - his own people!  He killed allies of the Inquisition!  He's a smug git who murders for his own aggrandisement!

 

The Inquisitor has fought and killed people who've done much less than that.

[Cobra's_back]

I assume your Inquisitor chastised her for her behaviour then?  If so, I don't see the problem.

 

As for involving the Inquisition, she asked for help seeing how the Inquisitor had already helped her with the missions that got them to that point.  Then she finds out the arse-biscuit needs his face rearranging, and not being one for complicated and drawn-out planning warns the Inquisitor she's going to do one on the guy.

 

If you don't stop her, you've only got yourself to blame.

 

You assumed wrong. Like I said, I had the Nobility Perk. I took over the guys land before she ever got upset. In short, know a person's limitations.

[Jaison1986]

I assume your Inquisitor chastised her for her behaviour then?  If so, I don't see the problem.

 

As for involving the Inquisition, she asked for help seeing how the Inquisitor had already helped her with the missions that got them to that point.  Then she finds out the arse-biscuit needs his face rearranging, and not being one for complicated and drawn-out planning warns the Inquisitor she's going to do one on the guy.

 

If you don't stop her, you've only got yourself to blame.

 

The point is that she attacks the guy without your say so. That's an serious case of insubordination. Most military groups don't take that kindly at all. 

[Cobra's_back]

He's an enemy to the people he should be protecting - his own people!  He killed allies of the Inquisition!  He's a smug git who murders for his own aggrandisement!

 

The Inquisitor has fought and killed people who've done much less than that.

 

No he was not a direct enemy of the inquisition. He never planned to attack the inquisition. Sera used the inquisition for this local complaint. Your real mission is Cory. You do know that side quest are optional. I haven't killed people who have done far less. 

 

The bottom line was that she side tracked the inquisition, and then took control, if your Inquisitor didn't step in fast enough. 

[Cobra's_back]

The point is that she attacks the guy without your say so. That's an serious case of insubordination. Most military groups don't take that kindly at all. 

 

Most military groups would give her jail time.

[The Lone Shadow]

Leliana executes the person. She has a higher command level than Sera. Leliana does it because the Chantry priestess is an enemy to the inquisition.

 

The guy was not an enemy to the inquisition.

 

That's true, but it doesn't erase the fact that she is going against your orders. You are the leader of this organization, you have been choosing how to handle things, such as war room mission. Leliana and the other two advisers come to you with options on how to deal with a problem and you pick the best one.  You are her boss. Also, the whole thing depends on whether or not she is hardened. If she is softened, she will let the priestess go.

[Rel Fexive]

You assumed wrong. Like I said, I had the Nobility Perk. I took over the guys land before she ever got upset. In short, know a person's limitations.

 

True, you did say that.  Which means you took charge like a leader.  So where's the problem?

 

The point is that she attacks the guy without your say so. That's an serious case of insubordination. Most military groups don't take that kindly at all. 

 

She's not strictly in the chain of command, though, beyond being answerable to the Inquisitor personally.  I believe there are options to tell her off afterwards or, of course, controversially, kick her out.  So you can deal with it if you don't like it.

 

No he was not a direct enemy of the inquisition. He never planned to attack the inquisition. Sera used the inquisition for this local complaint. Your real mission is Cory. You do know that side quest are optional. I haven't killed people who have done far less. 

 

The bottom line was that she side tracked the inquisition, and then took control, if your Inquisitor didn't step in fast enough. 

 

Random lyrium smugglers.  Rogue (not red) templars.  Bandits.  Apostage mages.  The Freemen.  All those aggressive animals. Even darkspawn.  Even DRAGONS.  What did they ever do to the Inquisition?  Don't they all fall outside its remit somewhat?

 

And Sera didn't sidetrack the Inquisition any more than, say, Blackwall did.  Sorry, "Blackwall".  Or Vivi and her hunting quest.  Or Cole and his weird whatever-ness.  Or, well, all of them, right?

 

I think it's good that someone  gets to disobey you a bit for a change.  Otherwise everyone toes the line all the time and that's a bit dull, really, isn't it?

[Cobra's_back]

That's true, but it doesn't erase the fact that she is going against your orders. You are the leader of this organization, you have been choosing how to handle things, such as war room mission. Leliana and the other two advisers come to you with options on how to deal with a problem and you pick the best one.  You are her boss. Also, the whole thing depends on whether or not she is hardened. If she is softened, she will let the priestess go.

 

Leliana is programmed by your actions. If you soften her, she won't kill her. So in a way she is doing the job as you intended it.

[The Lone Shadow]

Leliana is programmed by your actions. If you soften her, she won't kill her. So in a way she is doing the job as you intended it.

 

Sure, but the problem I have with that is the first soften or harden quest. It feels odd for my quizz to start giving out orders when their position in the inquisition is ambiguous. Are you just a figurehead and Cassandra is the real leader? Do you just boost moral and close rifts while Cassandra calls the shots? While Cassandra seems to have given the quizz some room to call the shots, the time when that scene comes up my quizz's position feels vague. However, when that scene and the second harden soften choice comes up you are officially the leader.

 

But this is just my experience, it would feel wired for my quizz, who felt she had no real authority, to start telling others how to do their job. So she just kept quite during that scene.  

[Cobra's_back]

True, you did say that.  Which means you took charge like a leader.  So where's the problem?

 

 

She's not strictly in the chain of command, though, beyond being answerable to the Inquisitor personally.  I believe there are options to tell her off afterwards or, of course, controversially, kick her out.  So you can deal with it if you don't like it.

 

 

Random lyrium smugglers.  Rogue (not red) templars.  Bandits.  Apostage mages.  The Freemen.  All those aggressive animals. Even darkspawn.  Even DRAGONS.  What did they ever do to the Inquisition?  Don't they all fall outside its remit somewhat?

 

And Sera didn't sidetrack the Inquisition any more than, say, Blackwall did.  Sorry, "Blackwall".  Or Vivi and her hunting quest.  Or Cole and his weird whatever-ness.  Or, well, all of them, right?

 

I think it's good that someone  gets to disobey you a bit for a change.  Otherwise everyone toes the line all the time and that's a bit dull, really, isn't it?

 

Most of these are side quest. You don't have to do them.  As for Red Lyrium smugglers: Cory boy uses it to fuel his army.

 

None of these are worst except the dragons. 

 

Because: All of the above attacks your party members. There are no options to take them prisoner. The noble doesn't attack. Therefore, the proper action would be court time or what I did. 

[Cobra's_back]

Sure, but the problem I have with that is the first soften or harden quest. It feels odd for my quizz to start giving out orders when their position in the inquisition is ambiguous. Are you just a figurehead and Cassandra is the real leader? Do you just boost moral and close rifts while Cassandra calls the shots? While Cassandra seems to have given the quizz some room to call the shots, the time when that scene comes up my quizz's position feels vague. However, when that scene and the second harden soften choice comes up you are officially the leader.

 

But this is just my experience, it would feel wired for my quizz, who felt she had no real authority, to start telling others how to do their job. So she just kept quite during that scene.  

 

I see what you mean and that is true. It was odd the way they did this. 

[London]

I hated Sera at first - I argued that her even being in my inquisition was OOC as I didn't see why the Inquisitor Would spend time on her, play tricks on people with her, or travel with her over one of the 100 generals or whatever that would be in Army. Also why would she get her own room over higher ranking members of the inquisition?

Her personality grew on me though and after the roof scene she is one of my favorite people. Liking her makes her presence in the Inquisition work for me.

[The Lone Shadow]

I'm the opposite, I liked her at first and over time I started hating her.

 

Her position in the inquisition didn't seem entirely OOC to me, since she does have connection to the Friends of Red Jenny's, who can act as an additional spy network for the inquisition. As shown during her recruitment mission, she led you to a guy who was pretty much like, "So, Herald you discovered my evil plot to undermine the inquisition." Despite us never getting a chance to really interrogate him, he made it clear enough to me that he was an enemy of the organization.

 

Even though her explanation of how the Friends work doesn't make them sound very useful on the surface, but if you look deeper at it. The Friends are made up of servants and the lower class, people who work in close contact with nobility. Nobility who think that they don't have to worry about the inferior underclass, so they are much less careful around them enough that they might blab about their hostilities towards you when their servants are around. These servants then might give a tip to Sera about this and then she will tell you so that you can effectively deal with this potential threat.

 

Why an inquisitor would want to spend time with her at the start, falls mostly on who your quizz is. My first quizz felt stressed out and overwhelmed by her new title and position. So playing around with Sera got her mind off of it and gave her chance to go back to being just a person. Also, Sera sees the quizz more as a person from the get go, unlike many of the other companions, such as Varric who says to you that he sometimes forget that you aren't like those statues of Andraste holding bowls of fire. Being seen as a religious symbol  can be very difficult for someone to deal with and having Sera see past that can be very refreshing.

 

That being said, I still don't like her. Her abrasiveness personality and b***ness towards my elf quizz made me dislike her.

[robertthebard]

You miss the point. She asked to join the inquisition, and she asked you the leader of the inquisition to go with her. When she did that her actions are now the inquisition's actions.
 
She has taken over the leader's position, and executed the guy under the inquisition's banner. If she just wanted to kill him, she should have done it on her own not involve the inquisition.

Evidently you weren't paying attention: You involved the Inquisition, before this little episode even happens. Sera made a suggestion that you march some troops through, and you evidently thought that that was a good idea, because you did it. Now that there's backlash what, you want to wash your hands of it? Sera cannot make war table decisions for you, you, the player, actually have to make those decisions. You made the decision to send the troops, or you wouldn't get this little episode, so that NPC's blood is on your hands as much as Sera's, and I'm not talking about Harmon, I'm talking about the NPC he kills. So it's ok for that lord to murder an unarmed man in your presence, and then attempt to kill you, but it's not ok for Sera to kill him?

Sans Harmon's interference, it would have been a march through to intimidate land grabbing nobles, followed by some kind of gifts from the friends. Instead, it's a dead friend, and Sera's very emotional reaction to it, despite all the claims that she doesn't care what happens to the little people.

[Dabrikishaw]

I don't have a problem with Sera killing Lord Harmon while I'm asking him questions, if I wanted him dead I'd just tell Sera to kill him. Instead, I partner with him without using the Noble Knowledge perk, then kick Sera out.

[MyKingdomCold]

Too much trouble. I think next time I'll kick her out after getting the jar of bees recipe

[Dabrikishaw]

Are the Jar of Bees any good btw? I never used them.

[MyKingdomCold]

pretty good. better than Sera at least

[Jedi Master of Orion]

No he was not a direct enemy of the inquisition. He never planned to attack the inquisition. Sera used the inquisition for this local complaint. Your real mission is Cory. You do know that side quest are optional. I haven't killed people who have done far less. 

 

The bottom line was that she side tracked the inquisition, and then took control, if your Inquisitor didn't step in fast enough. 

 

Without commenting on the larger issue, I feel like "side tracking the Inquisition" seems like an even less reasonable objection than her killing people. How much of the Inquisition's time is spent focusing on side quests and side issues instead of Corypheus? A lot.

[KaiserShep]

No he was not a direct enemy of the inquisition. He never planned to attack the inquisition. Sera used the inquisition for this local complaint. Your real mission is Cory. You do know that side quest are optional. I haven't killed people who have done far less. 

 

The bottom line was that she side tracked the inquisition, and then took control, if your Inquisitor didn't step in fast enough. 

 

 

This logic doesn't follow. First, she didn't use anything. The most she could ever do is ask, and the Inquisitor's under no obligation to be concerned, even after reading Cullen's report, which confirmed she was indeed telling the truth. 

 

Second, she didn't sidetrack the Inquisition; the Inquisitor did that of his/her own free will. S/he agreed to allocate manpower to march, knowing full well that it would have a meaningful effect on the nobility, and then agreed to take part in a shady drop in hopes of getting a reward, when by all rights the Inquisitor could have just moved on and not bothered, because Josephine could probably just bring in more coin for you than some Thedosian Anon jokester could. 

[Inverse_Twilight]

pretty good. better than Sera at least

Sera is a kick ass archer. Her specialization is so overpowered and I love how she can kill enemies in seconds using her flasks. Even if I didn't love her character, I would keep her around for her skill in combat.

[Dabrikishaw]

I can no longer view Tempest as overpowered.

[Inverse_Twilight]

I can no longer view Tempest as overpowered.

How is it not overpowered? The focus ability alone can kill an entire horde of demons in 4 seconds.

[Dabrikishaw]

How is it not overpowered? The focus ability alone can kill an entire horde of demons in 4 seconds.

Thousand Cuts is great for bosses, but I prefer killing mobs normally. Or using Hidden Blades casually. The only other notable talent is Flask of Fire when it's upgraded. Before the patch Flask of Fire wouldn't use up your Focus so you could always use Thousand Cuts or Mark of the Rift everywhere, that's what made it overpowered in my eyes.

 

Now? It's a fun spec with quirky powers that can be strong if you space out your talents(Not use Thousand Cuts and Flask of Fire) properly, but not what I'd call overpowered.