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[Cobra's_back]

Well, it's like my City elf Warden would say: "F*** Orlais". Basically, if my inquisitor could leave Orlais to collapse without it taking the rest of Thedas with it, she would have probably done it. She's only in it to kill monsters and hopefully get away from the wretched chantry one day.

As for their impressions, nuts to what they think. They're all about murder anyway; they just do it behind masks and proxies.

 

The Duchess helps you find Cory boy's spies that is a direct asset to your efforts. It's not about Orlais. It's about stopping Cory.

 

May I ask who you put on the throne?

 

I put in Celene with Briala/Celene reunited. That helps the Elves. Took me a while to find that locket.

[The Baconer]

Stabbing the Duchess is probally one of the worst moves. What kind of impression does the Inquisitor gives if they kill someone at the ball who is already helpless? Killing her without a trial is a pretty hasty move.

 

I for one expose the duchess and then recruit her as an spy for the Inquisition. And she actually shows some semblance of loyalty, as the info she gives about Corypheus spies is legit.

 

It's all about establishing the power dynamics. Celene says that Florianne will be tried before a judge, then the Inquisitor pretty much states "And that judge is me." Right after stabbing her, you instruct the Empress to come and meet somewhere private, followed by a conversation in which you may declare that all three of the claimants now work for you.

 

In the end, not only is justice served, but you let the aristocracy at Halamshiral know who the real boss is.

[Jaison1986]

It's all about establishing the power dynamics. Celene says that Florianne will be tried before a judge, then the Inquisitor pretty much states "And that judge is me." Right after stabbing her, you instruct the Empress to come and meet somewhere private, followed by a conversation in which you may declare that all three of the claimants now work for you.

 

In the end, not only is justice served, but you let the aristocracy at Halamshiral know who the real boss is.

 

Well, I prefer to stay classy. I honestly did not gave a flying **** of what was happening in Halamshiral. So I felt no urge to have the Duchess killed. It's hard to care about justice when you are deatached of the situation. So having Florianne submited was enough for me.

[The Baconer]

Well, I prefer to stay classy. I honestly did not gave a flying **** of what was happening in Halamshiral. So I felt no urge to have the Duchess killed. It's hard to care about justice when you are

deatached of the situation. So having Florianne submited was enough for me.

 

The justice being rendered is based off of Florianne trying to aid Corypheus in his conquest, which would have potentially killed millions. That is the core of what you're fighting against as the Inquisitor, surely you don't feel detached from that?

[Dabrikishaw]

The justice being rendered is based off of Florianne trying to aid Corypheus in his conquest, which would have potentially killed millions. That is the core of what you're fighting against as the Inquisitor, surely you don't feel detached from that?

Yeah, killing Florianne  doesn't have to have anything to do with Orlesian justice, you're taking down another agent of a world-ending madman.

[Jaison1986]

The justice being rendered is based off of Florianne trying to aid Corypheus in his conquest, which would have potentially killed millions. That is the core of what you're fighting against as the Inquisitor, surely you don't feel detached from that?

 

A fair point. But if I kill Flioranne, what then? I have nothing to gain for that. Allowing her to live and to serve me however benefits the Inquisition. It's an question of thinking of what's best when it comes to the bigger picture.

 

For example, thinking in this mindset, the right thing to do would be do exile the wardens for their terrible crimes, no? But if we do that, we might as well be dooming Thedas. Some times, the pragmatic approach is the best one.

[The Baconer]

A fair point. But if I kill Flioranne, what then? I have nothing to gain for that. Allowing her to live and to serve me however benefits the Inquisition. It's an question of thinking of what's best when it comes to the bigger picture.

 

Actually, you can still use her corpse and gain the same amount of influence as letting her survive.

 

 

For example, thinking in this mindset, the right thing to do would be do exile the wardens for their terrible crimes, no? But if we do that, we might as well be dooming Thedas. Some times, the pragmatic approach is the best one.

 

No, that isn't the same situation. I would actually say that, in the event that I would exile them, that it would be done as a temporary measure to place the Wardens outside Corypheus' influence, while also depriving him of bodies to hop to if he were to be destroyed. Allying with them is nice, but we should also note that it is a pretty big gamble with that in mind, so there is absolutely a pragmatic argument in exiling them.

[TheJediSaint]

I'm in that weird category of people who likes Sera and Vivienne at the same time.

We should form a club.

[Jaison1986]

Actually, you can still use her corpse and gain the same amount of influence as letting her survive.

 

 

 

No, that isn't the same situation. I would actually say that, in the event that I would exile them, that it would be done as a temporary measure to place the Wardens outside Corypheus' influence, while also depriving him of bodies to hop to if he were to be destroyed. Allying with them is nice, but we should also note that it is a pretty big gamble with that in mind, so there is absolutely a pragmatic argument in exiling them.

 

Well, personally I think exposing Corypheus spies is more relevant then scaring off nobles with the Duchess corpse.

 

But in the end that backfires terribly however, considering the ending were the wardens are exiled states  they are in the verge of disappearing for good.

[The Baconer]

Well, personally I think exposing Corypheus spies is more relevant then scaring off nobles with the Duchess corpse.

 

The same people whose names are exposed by her operation are likely the same individuals who are scared straight when they are "visited" by her boxed remains in the night.

 

 

But in the end that backfires terribly however, considering the ending were the wardens are exiled states  they are in the verge of disappearing for good.

 

Which is why I usually don't exile them.

[The Oracle]

I don't hate Sera but I would definitely not have her as part of my inner circle if the game didn't foist her there. She's handy for her Red Jenny contacts and that's about it. As for keeping you grounded, I would argue that other characters do a far better job of it than her. Iron Bull actually takes you out to meet your soldiers. He sits you down with them, lets you hear their thoughts and opinions. You gain insight into what it's like for those people that make up the foundation of the Inquisition. Cole does this even more. Through him, you hear about the daily struggles of the people in Skyhold. You find out about them in a way that makes them people and not tools. The man given a brief, bittersweet reminder of home before he dies. The moment of joy in all the worry a barmaid feels when she sees some cats chase a mouse. Blackwall spends much of his spare time making toys for the kids in Skyhold.They're small glimpses but it reminds you of the life going on in the keep.

 

Sera, for all her talk of the common people, actually seems to have very little interest in interacting with them. She in full support of you if you do, but her main concern seems to be causing havoc for sh*ts and giggles. She enjoys pranking people, getting one over on them and while she claims it's to "bring the big people down to size" we never find out if it has that effect. For all we know, the servants in Skyhold are probably just as pissed off, having to clean up after her all the time. She's meant to represent the "common folk" but in my opinion, she probably only represents a very small percentage of the working class of Thedas, I imagine most just want to work in peace, raise their kids and live as quiet and happy life as they can.

[Boost32]

The Wardens should vanish. We don't need them, their knowledge should be made public and every kingdom make their own taint spec-ops to combat the Darkspawn.

[The Baconer]

The Wardens should vanish. We don't need them, their knowledge should be made public and every kingdom make their own taint spec-ops to combat the Darkspawn.

 

Isn't the prospect of becoming "taint spec-ops" the reason their knowledge isn't public?

[KaiserShep]

The Duchess helps you find Cory boy's spies that is a direct asset to your efforts. It's not about Orlais. It's about stopping Cory.

May I ask who you put on the throne?

I put in Celene with Briala/Celene reunited. That helps the Elves. Took me a while to find that locket.

I've mixed and matched outcomes a few times, but my last one blackmailed all three, which is my favorite outcome, and made the Duchess an agent, though I killed her every other time. Only reason I spared her there was because I wasn't sure if I could blackmail after doing it, so I wasn't taking chances. Admittedly, this one fits most with Dorian's line about the inquisitor having them all wrapped around her little finger.

Plus, I wasn't sure if the Duchess would just kill the people around her like she did when I first tried to apprehend her.

[Dabrikishaw]

Solo Gaspard, all day everyday.

[Kadust]

I don't hate her, but the introvert in me finds her annoying and exhausting.

[robertthebard]

OMG,  The guy did attack then surrenders. At that point when he is talking to you what do you do as a diplomat? I use the Nobility perk. Anything else is execution. The why is because he is unarmed at this point.
 
Did he commit a crime? The answer is yes.
What should you do when someone surrenders? As a diplomat make him pay for it. A day in court, but the game gives you another option.
 
Edit: Questions for you:
 
Did you play the diplomat? Did you get the Nobility Perk? If you did Sera is not upset you get Great Approval.
 
What did you do with the Duchess? As a Diplomat you could have save Celene, won the court, and taken the Duchess alive. What did you do?

The "guy" I'm referring to is the unarmed citizen that Harmon kills before he tries to kill you. At that latter part, any semblance of "mercy" is off the table; identify your targets before you attack, if you don't want to die. Sera never gets to interrupt my interrogations, because I tell her to kill him. Why? I've already seen what kind of "man" he is, and frankly, I'm not impressed. He may as well be the Templars or Mages trying to force people out of their homes; do you show them mercy too?

The Duchess has been my court jester, dead in the courtyard and judged as a box, and dead in the ballroom, so far. Depends on my Inquisitor of the moment, not on what "I" think. The same can be said for the Wardens at Adamant. But Harmon, it's the best implementation of the Murder Knife ever for him, because that's all the consideration he deserves.

[Jaison1986]

The "guy" I'm referring to is the unarmed citizen that Harmon kills before he tries to kill you. At that latter part, any semblance of "mercy" is off the table; identify your targets before you attack, if you don't want to die. Sera never gets to interrupt my interrogations, because I tell her to kill him. Why? I've already seen what kind of "man" he is, and frankly, I'm not impressed. He may as well be the Templars or Mages trying to force people out of their homes; do you show them mercy too?

The Duchess has been my court jester, dead in the courtyard and judged as a box, and dead in the ballroom, so far. Depends on my Inquisitor of the moment, not on what "I" think. The same can be said for the Wardens at Adamant. But Harmon, it's the best implementation of the Murder Knife ever for him, because that's all the consideration he deserves.

 

To me it sounds like you are letting your personal feelings get in the way.

[Cz-99]

'Cause she's an elf, and elves are responsible for everything that's wrong with the world.

[TheJediSaint]

'Cause she's an elf, and elves are responsible for everything that's wrong with the world.

She's not that efly.

[Mikka-chan]

I like Sera.  (And Viv.)

 

I think the reasons why she is hated are stated pretty well, though.  Her breakup with the Dalish Warden who keeps/develips the belief in the Dalish gods is harsh, but honestly, breaking up for religious reasons makes sense- happens aaallll the time.  To me, her reaction to the Solas romancing Dalish is worse: the snarky line about the elf having to have the elf for the babies to mean something (really?- you think my character is just a brood mare?!), and then top that off with the scene if you get your blood writings remove and she's basically like "HAH YOU WERE ALL WRONG" while your Inquisitor is standing there all shamed and possibly heartbroken with a broken expression on her face.

 

And, yeah, despite brutally murdering tons of people in these games, I found her beatdown of that (fairly horrible, from what we know) dude honestly pretty scary.  All three protagonists can do worse things (I find Hawke selling out his little sister to Meredith while wearing a stupid smirk one of the worst things in game, even if people say Hawke can't do 'evil stuff'), definitely, but it's not usually as detailed as Sera completely beating the crap out of some dude while your Inquisitor (can) plead with her to stop.  Murder knife, throw it, splirt of blood, over.  This scene shows a detailed beatdown, which is a bit unusual.

 

 

 

...My first character was actually a Dalish romancing Solas, but as long as they didn't go in to personal beliefs, they got along fine.  That makes sense to me: I have a ton of friends who I like, but who I would in no circumstance want to discuss politics/religion/other similar stuff with.  My second character, I actually tried to be an ******* with to *everyone* (save for Cass and Viv, who were his besties)- somehow, I still managed to get her friendship roof scene (possibly because he used his noble connections to recruit the ******* she can beat down?), and despite him trying to be rude as he could be (COOKIES SUCK), she still apparently adored him.  (Blackwall, at least, properly hated him from day one, and never did his personal quest.)  My third character was a Qunari who romanced her, and then I really did start to like Sera (who was mostly a target of my indifference before).  Sera is childish, abraisive, terrified of things she doesn't understand- and yet surprisingly good hearted and steadfast in the end.

 

I don't think she's one of Bioware's most likable characters, but I do find her very understandable: she's in over her head, she lashes out, she isn't willing to look past her stubborn beliefs and she can be downright nasty to people she's not fond of.  This is more of a case of 'If we were friends in real life, I'd throw you in a lake' (but, honestly, most of the DA:I character's I'd throw in a lake), 'but as this is fiction, I think you are very well written and interesting and facinating in your own way'.

 

...Also, her finally calling Cole 'him' is a moment of Heartwarming and Squee, and her diary (especially if romanced!) is adorable.  So, points.

[Boost32]

Isn't the prospect of becoming "taint spec-ops" the reason their knowledge isn't public?

It was never stated the why they don't share their knowledge.
Still want to disband this shitty group.

[Get Magna Carter]

I'm in that weird category of people who likes Sera and Vivienne at the same time.

what's weird about that?

 

Sera is a vigilante.

I have no problem with people who oppose vigilante justice disliking her on principle as a result.

I'm not comfortable with vigilante justice in the real world but am generally fine with it in fiction.

Getting the bad guys who elude justice.

In the regions of Thedas we have seen justice is even more strained than in the real world due to the rich and

powerful being able to get away with crimes.

Sera's desire to hurt nobles who use their wealth or influence to get away with murder is understandable.

so what do you expect Sera to do when she's angry at a noble who has murdered and then offered a bribe to the Inquisitor if the Inquisitor does not immediately reject the bribe?

[The Baconer]

It was never stated the why they don't share their knowledge.
Still want to disband this shitty group.

 

It was stated, at least the reason for not sharing info about the Joining. Most people, like Jory, would say "well, **** that" on top of the already-large number of people who simply die imbibing the blood cocktail.