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[introverted_assassin]

regarding these various outcomes for Florianne...i had no idea. I have only ever judged her remains. I didn't know about the other methods. Wonder what I'm missing? I always find evidence on all 3(Gaspar, Celene, Briala)...hmm. if someone would kindly pm me to help, I'd appreciate it.

anyway, Sera's my main so...

[The Baconer]

regarding these various outcomes for Florianne...i had no idea. I have only ever judged her remains. I didn't know about the other methods. Wonder what I'm missing? I always find evidence on all 3(Gaspar, Celene, Briala)...hmm. if someone would kindly pm me to help, I'd appreciate it.

anyway, Sera's my main so...

 

You need to have at least 85 Court Approval to get the option to expose her in the ballroom. From there you can either have her arrested or execute her on the spot.

[introverted_assassin]

i think court approval is bugged on mine. while it shows me at 100 in every playthrough, I have never gotten the achievement. I'm a pimp in court lol. Even purposely tried to lose 5 or 10 points(telling Florianne I was seeing someone) to see if it was bugged and it still got back up to 100. I'm on last gen and lord only knows the problems there that will never be fixed. *sips tea*

but this is OT so i'll send a pm perhaps.

[metalfenix]

If you expose and arrest florianne without killing her, the game does not count her as agent for any advisor (it happened to me in my last run, I had her exposed and arrested), it seems the game is only counting her as an agent if you kill her and well...go with the weird judgement thing.

[Boost32]

It was stated, at least the reason for not sharing info about the Joining. Most people, like Jory, would say "well, **** that" on top of the already-large number of people who simply die imbibing the blood cocktail.

And thats one more reason to disband that band of thugs.

[The Baconer]

And thats one more reason to disband that band of thugs.

 

Okay, but that's not actually solving a problem here.

[Boost32]

Okay, but that's not actually solving a problem here.

Ofc it is, we disband the group that almost destroyed the world the same amount of times it saved, and pass their knowledge to the crown/government to have a spec-ops against the Darkspawn and the Blight.

[The Baconer]

Ofc it is, we disband the group that almost destroyed the world the same amount of times it saved, and pass their knowledge to the crown/government to have a spec-ops against the Darkspawn and the Blight.

 

The immediate issue here was the Joining, and the issues behind it that caused it to be treated with such secrecy. You say "throw out the Wardens" as if it would actually solve or alleviate the problem at all, but it doesn't. An actual attempt at a solution would be to simply force it upon people when necessary, but that will no doubt give birth to problems of its own.

[myahele]

It seems as if the companions that disagree with you the most are the ones that are disliked by alot of people: Alistair, Anders, Wynne, more.

 

In regard to Sera, she certainly is opinionated, especially if you play as an Elf which seems to be quite popular.

 

For me, I liked her initially but that was due to the Banter bug not allowing me to hear her conversations with my other companions.

[The Oracle]

Sera doesn't really have strong beliefs though. If you speak to her about it, she's all over the place. She figures there must be a Maker cause everyone says there is. All Sera wants is for things to be black and white, truth or lies. She's not interested in finding out herself though, she just wants someone to tell her so she can continue on as usual.

 

Cassandra on the other hand is pretty much Faith incarnate. No matter what happens, no matter what she's confronted with, her belief in the Maker is always there. Her belief bends, she changes her opinions when evidence to the contrary is shown, but it never breaks. As it's said in the game, she doesn't have have Faith because a spirit touched her mind, the spirit touched her because her Faith was so strong.

[Rel Fexive]

Ofc it is, we disband the group that almost destroyed the world the same amount of times it saved, and pass their knowledge to the crown/government to have a spec-ops against the Darkspawn and the Blight.

 

Blights happen centuries apart.  It is well established in the setting that everyone almost forgets how important the Grey Wardens are in the intervening years and have to be reminded.  No crown or government is going to maintain them in the inter-Blight years for very long.

 

Besides, you trust the next ten generations of Thedas' rulers enough to not to mess it up in the meantime?

 

I'm also confused to what exactly it is you have against them, anyway?  And more importantly, why in this thread?  If you take it elsewhere I'm sure we'd all be happy to discuss it there and leave the silly weirdos who don't like Sera to rant in peace?

 

[robertthebard]

To me it sounds like you are letting your personal feelings get in the way.

Why? Why can't it be an Inquisitor that's annoyed at a Lord that's complicated my war effort with his power grab, and then murders an unarmed civilian right in front of me? Do you honestly believe he'd have stopped if you didn't kill his death squad? He'd have what, "Oh, my bad Inquisitor, sorry you're dead"?

[robertthebard]

It seems as if the companions that disagree with you the most are the ones that are disliked by alot of people: Alistair, Anders, Wynne, more.
 
In regard to Sera, she certainly is opinionated, especially if you play as an Elf which seems to be quite popular.
 
For me, I liked her initially but that was due to the Banter bug not allowing me to hear her conversations with my other companions.

Take her around with Dorian, and get the "magister laugh" banter. I think about it and I laugh.

[Rel Fexive]

It seems as if the companions that disagree with you the most are the ones that are disliked by alot of people: Alistair, Anders, Wynne, more.

 

In regard to Sera, she certainly is opinionated, especially if you play as an Elf which seems to be quite popular.

 

For me, I liked her initially but that was due to the Banter bug not allowing me to hear her conversations with my other companions.

 

Basically, yes.  In short, Sera hates or is scared of the things that apparently a lot of (the most vocal and angry-sounding) players like or think is really really important.  So, magic, elfy-ness, that sort of thing.  Anyone who really likes those things is going to have a problem with Sera.

 

This is no different to people who have a problem with Vivi because she doesn't want mage freedom, or with Anders because he's a mass murderer, or with Alistair because he's too laid back and silly, or with Wynne because she's... too preachy, that's it with her, isn't it?

 

It's just that the ones that don't like Sera are either louder or just won't fecking stop going on about it all the damn time.

[The Oracle]

Ah but the difference, speaking for myself of course, is though I dislike Sera's character, I'm completely for her character being in the game. Sometimes she annoys or exasperates me in game, but she actually gets an emotional reaction out of me, which is what all good characters do. If you're tutting, eyerolling, fuming, laughing or swooning over a character, then they've done their job. The more emotions that can be pulled from you, the more invested you become.

 

So yes, I don't like Sera, but I like her being in the game. Much like Vivienne. I love these divisive characters and it's what Bioware has always done well. Just look at characters like Loghain, someone who still manages to pull visceral reactions from players even years after Origins was first released. Love him or hate him, you remember his character. It's what makes Bioware's games, in terms of characters and dialogue, so very good.

[Rel Fexive]

Ah but the difference, speaking for myself of course, is though I dislike Sera's character, I'm completely for her character being in the game. Sometimes she annoys or exasperates me in game, but she actually gets an emotional reaction out of me, which is what all good characters do. If you're tutting, eyerolling, fuming, laughing or swooning over a character, then they've done their job. The more emotions that can be pulled from you, the more invested you become.

 

So yes, I don't like Sera, but I like her being in the game. Much like Vivienne. I love these divisive characters and it's what Bioware has always done well. Just look at characters like Loghain, someone who still manages to pull visceral reactions from players even years after Origins was first released. Love him or hate him, you remember his character. It's what makes Bioware's games, in terms of characters and dialogue, so very good.

 

Oh yeah, some of the best of characters are often the worst of people.

[The Lone Shadow]

I don't think its because of the character's beliefs that most people have a real beef with, I think its mainly because of their personalities. Dorian is slavery apologist and I haven't seen that much hate against him. I hate the Chantry and yet I don't dislike either Cassandra or Leliana. 

 

When it comes to characters like the Iron Lady, Buttercup, or the Fussy Mage its because their personality is grating.

 

Take the Iron Lady, in her banters she is very rude to the other companions, even when they have done nothing to provoke it. If you look up the banter between her and Blackwall, she is rude to him even when he tries to be polite to her. Most people don't like people like the Iron Lady in real life, so they won't like fictional people like that. Opposing beliefs just add to that dislike.

[The Lone Shadow]

I just thought of something. Most characters wouldn't know to soften her. I do with the diplomat only. In her defense she is the spymaster, and in her current state she only knows how to interrogate and execute. She is not confident with the skill of turning a agent into a double agent.

 

If you tell her not to kill the Natalie you are micromanaging her job. As Skymaster it is her responsibility to deal with all possible threats. Remember how many she murdered to keep the Divine safe. The funny thing about these sisters is that many of them are killers. There was a war table mission that revealed this early on:

 

"With Jean-Gaspard removed from play, Caralina or Monette will almost certainly be the next Duchess of Lydes. As the struggle intensifies, Caralina has sent agents to cause a scandal, judging that Monette does not have the skill to avoid such snares. Monette has relied upon Mother Renette, her mentor in the Chantry, for advice upon how to strengthen her claim to the duchy, and the revered mother, in an attempt to protect Monette, has sent mercenaries to threaten Caralina's life."

 

So the revered mother sent a hit squad after the person. That I thought was comical.

Also, if you send Leliana's team to find the secrets of the clerics in the "The Chantry Remains" this happens:

 

"It is done. I needed only a few examples, clerics who both spoke against the Inquisition and had unsavory secrets they were desperate to keep hidden. One even attempted to kill the agent who spoke to her, and the agent was forced to kill her in self defense. That went further than I would have liked, and may stiffen the Chantry’s resolve to oppose us in the long run, but for now they are cowed and can be counted our political allies."

 

So yeah, the Chantry isn't full of innocent nuns. I was really just point out that she also goes against your orders, unless you soften her and starting scene to soften her feels off. I always tell her to kill Natalie, but even if I didn't its still bothersome that she can go against your orders. Its like... does the inquisitor really have any authority, at all? If your the boss and yet your employers do the exact opposite of what you told them to do are you still the boss? That just irks me to no end, and correct me if I'm wrong, does the quizz get to call her out on it at all. That kind of stuff makes the quizz look like a weak leader. A leader who doesn't have the respect of the people under them is not a leader.

[Get Magna Carter]

Basically, yes.  In short, Sera hates or is scared of the things that apparently a lot of (the most vocal and angry-sounding) players like or think is really really important.  So, magic, elfy-ness, that sort of thing.  Anyone who really likes those things is going to have a problem with Sera.

 

This is no different to people who have a problem with Vivi because she doesn't want mage freedom, or with Anders because he's a mass murderer, or with Alistair because he's too laid back and silly, or with Wynne because she's... too preachy, that's it with her, isn't it?

 

It's just that the ones that don't like Sera are either louder or just won't fecking stop going on about it all the damn time.

I would say that disliking someone because they manipulated you into assisting them in an act of mass murder is very different  (and more understandable) to disliking someone because of their beliefs, etc

 

for me the most vexing character was Sten in DAO.  I promised to rescue the Blacksmith's daughter from the castle and Sten said "Is this another promise you do not intend to keep?" ... right in earshot of the blacksmith

[Silky Goodness]

Sera is kind of an interesting one. As a player who strictly plays mages and the like I was kind of... disappointed when the adorable girl I just met was kind of xenophobic. I of course appreciated and loved her punk rock spirit, but her distrust of spirits and anything magical but me in an interesting position since I wanted to romance her. I did romance her, and it kind of says something I think. She isn't close minded, she's scared. I mean think about it, the public perception of magic is all blood magic, demons and mass destruction. A while rebellion with a bunch of innocence (the people she cares about most) get hurt with little regard for their well being. You can't blame her fear of such things. She does however warm up to magic if you are a mage, and I completely encourage her lack of wanting to be, "elfy," even though I played an elf (something she warms up to as well).

However my major problem with her is her readiness and wanting to kill anyone and everyone she believes is a bad person. I haven't killed one person I put to judgement. I play non lethal in the Deus Ex games even. Killing is a no go for me. I still adore her though. I'm sure she would come to understand why killing is wrong and why magic isn't scary. I would love to see a DLC explore her hinted at magic abilities and maybe create a decision for her to eventually warm up to and choose to explore her magic. Maybe she becomes some kind of DA equivalent to an arcane trickster, but with a bow? I dunno. I'm rabbling and it's 7 am and I have not slept yet.

[Rel Fexive]

I would say that disliking someone because they manipulated you into assisting them in an act of mass murder is very different  (and more understandable) to disliking someone because of their beliefs, etc

 

for me the most vexing character was Sten in DAO.  I promised to rescue the Blacksmith's daughter from the castle and Sten said "Is this another promise you do not intend to keep?" ... right in earshot of the blacksmith

 

The point is, where are the never-ending hate threads for those characters?

 

I guess we could say "old games, old news" and people are more likely to be talking about the new game, but still.

[MyKingdomCold]

Like it or not, Sera is one of the more divisive characters in this game. She, and Vivienne probably, are the only characters who can have topics made about them as to why so many people hate them.

And this is a board discussing this game and not any others.