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#51
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Yep a very ancient branch but still part of the royal dynasty they have the strongest claim.

 

 

The warden Commander in Wardens peak was the heiress of ferelden till she was forced to become a warden and 'give up" her claim t the the throne. She has living descendants today still.  They would have a valid claim to the throne if Alistair and my warden do not have children.

 

Aye but the exact relationship between the Dryden's and the Theirins is never fully established, they just state the Sophia Dryden as Arland Theirin's contender for the throne. Plus there is the fact the Dryden's even in the Dragon Age have a 'black name' which is not going to do them any favours at the Landsmeet.

 

In a way Ferelden is more the exception than the rule, in that (with the exception of the orlesian occupation) it has had one continuous royal dynasty from its founding into the Dragon Age. Whereas Orlais has had multiple ruling family changes and the Pentaghasts were overthrown by the Van Markhams before the two families were united in marriage.



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While Keiran has a strong claim to the throne (especially if Morrigan is Alistair's half sister), there are two issues with your head canon there. 1. Anora has higher rank than you so rebelling against her probably wouldn't work too well for you. 2. Keiran is probably a mage, so he can't hold title.

 

Wait...WHAT!?


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Its a conspiracy theory that Morrigan was fathered by Maric when he encountered Flemeth during the rebellion. Its a good theory but there's no proof.


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Also yea, this issue has been nagging at me for several years now. I am one of those people who like to see Royal Dynasties continue, regardless if they are good or bad for the country at large. So seeing that Alistair still has no heir troubles me greatly. The Theirin Blood unites Ferelden in ways nothing else can. They take so much pride in the legacy of Calenhad that it is not something I can see being so easily replaced. The royal blood is part of their national identity. As for Celene, considering The Masked Empire, I doubt she will ever lay with a man to begin with, nevermind long enough to get an heir established. Orlais is doomed regardless there. Is Gaspard is made Emperor? who knows, but his reign will cause chaos due to his warmongering. Either way, chaos is unavoidable. Nevarra? who can say, The Pentaghast family is massive, that country also has a strong movement to remove them from power altogether. 



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Its a conspiracy theory that Morrigan was fathered by Maric when he encountered Flemeth during the rebellion. Its a good theory but there's no proof.

 

I'm pretty sure it was established that Flemeth kills every single man she sleeps with. So I find this highly unlikely.



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The whole heir to Ferelden situation was a HUGE consideration on my part when going through the Landsmeet. Anora's alleged barren state meant that I wasn't about to make her Queen in any way. Ferelden would risk some sort of war of dynastic succession at her death, whether she ruled alone or with Alistair. Even though politically it would have been easier to marry her to Alistair and have done with it. I chose to give Alistair alone the crown because there was a good shot, if still not the best, that he'd be able to father a child with another woman.

I understand that BioWare needs to try to consolidate the original choices as the timeline goes on, but I do wish there was some acknowledgement that if Alistair reigns alone that he married. They could have still written in that he's been unsuccessful in producing an heir, likely due to the taint, and have the same end result of the line of Theirrin kings dying off and a new dynasty establishing itself. My Warden chose to forgo the more expedient option in favor of *attempting* to preserve the Theirrin line; she didn't need to be successful, but this choice was important. Especially since Alistair was her LI; she chose to put Ferelden's future above her own happiness, knowing she'd have to watch Alistair marry another woman and have children with her while she herself remained his mistress.

Even though Kieran was Alistair's son in my playthrough, I can't see that amounting to much. Morrigan loathed Alistair and will likely never tell Kieran about him. Alistair also doesn't seem too interested in his "demon baby" based on dialogue from DA:O.

Honestly, just based on the fact that the Cousland line is highly respected, as old as the Theirin line, and Fergus Cousland is alive in every playthrough I think we can expect, via passing references in DA4 (or DA5 if the timeline doesn't stretch far enough for Alistair/Anora to be viably dead) that either he or a child of his will get the throne. The next game will be in the North of Thedas and I think it'll be quite some time before Ferelden is directly returned to, so Fereldan politics won't be high on the list of things to extensively complicate in the lore.


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Anora never stayed with Al in any of my games. I drank the potion who says Al and I didnt have a child?



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Anora never stayed with Al in any of my games. I drank the potion who says Al and I didnt have a child?

 

The writing team for Dragon Age?

 

Of course according to DA:I the hero of ferelden is looking for a cure for the calling, if they find one, then the situation would be different.



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Nevarra has a rather large royal family though even if the king has no direct children 

 

Which is why this is Civil war territory. When the king has no official heir and the "accepted" heir (his brothe) has no heir and is elder as well? Throw in the recent history of a coup attempt as mentioned by Cassanda? Neverra is so screwed.....

 

What makes this especially scary is that if both Orlais and Neverra are too focused internally on who is to rule, this would be the perfect opportunity for either (or both) the quanaria nd Tevinter to attack.....



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You know there is a noble house even older then the Couslands or maybe even the Theirin  that may or may not have living members its all depending of your choice in Awakening.



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Having no heirs is a really bad problem, but having too many possible heirs is really bad too.  It's really, really weird that Ferelden, Nevarra and Orlais (if Celene remains enthroned) all have heir issues.

 

Nevarra is royally screwed when the king dies.  There could even be a Nevarran civil war.

 

Orlais is... Orlais.  Funnily enough, I'm pretty sure Gaspard would have become Emperor if Celene died, so starting a war that kills tens of thousands when you could just assassinate her was really, really stupid.

 

Ferelden's throne will probably go to the Guerrins or the Couslands.


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Having no heirs is a really bad problem, but having too many possible heirs is really bad too.  It's really, really weird that Ferelden, Nevarra and Orlais (if Celene remains enthroned) all have heir issues.

 

Nevarra is royally screwed when the king dies.  There could even be a Nevarran civil war.

 

Orlais is... Orlais.  Funnily enough, I'm pretty sure Gaspard would have become Emperor if Celene died, so starting a war that kills tens of thousands when you could just assassinate her was really, really stupid.

 

Ferelden's throne will probably go to the Guerrins or the Couslands.

He tried to kill her but he failed and he was stabbed by her when he tried. And we all know who is the best at the game so Gaspard did what he was best at and that is leading a army.



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Anora never stayed with Al in any of my games. I drank the potion who says Al and I didnt have a child?


Who said you did? Did Al drink the potion too? Was there some hidden codex that says the potion makes you fertile again? Is there a major bout of denial head canon going on?
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IIRC Anora mentioned Cailan did sleep around a bit, so maybe the next Fereldon heir will be a bastard of Cailan's or claim to be anyways. That scenario would make for an easy rebellion/civil war/usurper story that doesn't conflict with whomever you put on the throne.



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IIRC Anora mentioned Cailan did sleep around a bit, so maybe the next Fereldon heir will be a bastard of Cailan's or claim to be anyways. That scenario would make for an easy rebellion/civil war/usurper story that doesn't conflict with whomever you put on the throne.


I could actually see that happening.

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Also yea, this issue has been nagging at me for several years now. I am one of those people who like to see Royal Dynasties continue, regardless if they are good or bad for the country at large. So seeing that Alistair still has no heir troubles me greatly. The Theirin Blood unites Ferelden in ways nothing else can. They take so much pride in the legacy of Calenhad that it is not something I can see being so easily replaced. The royal blood is part of their national identity.


Just as Loghain Mac Tir was given nobility status and became very popular and highly respected following River Dane, the Hero of Ferelden was elevated - both in actuality, becoming the Warden-Commander and Arl of Amaranthine, and also in the hearts of all Fereldens.

It was an ideal time for the HoF to coalesce power to ensure the long-term stability of Ferelden - especially a Cousland HoF.
 

As for Celene, considering The Masked Empire, I doubt she will ever lay with a man to begin with, nevermind long enough to get an heir established.


It takes only a few minutes to conceive a child. If Celene deems it important to birth an heir, I would expect her to make that sacrifice.
 

The whole heir to Ferelden situation was a HUGE consideration on my part when going through the Landsmeet. Anora's alleged barren state meant that I wasn't about to make her Queen in any way.


It was also a huge concern of mine, though I didn't take rumors about Anora's infertility too seriously.
 

Ferelden would risk some sort of war of dynastic succession at her death, whether she ruled alone or with Alistair. Even though politically it would have been easier to marry her to Alistair and have done with it. I chose to give Alistair alone the crown because there was a good shot, if still not the best, that he'd be able to father a child with another woman.


I put Anora on the throne and sent Fergus Cousland a-courting. Even if Anora turned out to be infertile, Fergus could have produced bastards to keep Ferelden's succession secure. Fergus had already fathered a child. Uniting Ferelden under the leadership of the 2 most powerful noble lines seemed to me to be the best way to ensure ongoing stability.
 

I understand that BioWare needs to try to consolidate the original choices as the timeline goes on, but I do wish there was some acknowledgement that if Alistair reigns alone that he married. They could have still written in that he's been unsuccessful in producing an heir, likely due to the taint, and have the same end result of the line of Theirrin kings dying off and a new dynasty establishing itself.


Here's the thing: We've seen that Bioware intends to respect player's choices regarding Alistair's fate. He can show up as a King, a Grey Warden, or a drunk in Kirkwall, and also can appear in DAI. He may also have been the one who made the ultimate sacrifice in DAO, or he may have been executed. They would have to retcon all of that in order to set Alistair as canon King.

If the OGB exists, it could be the HoF's, Alistair's, or Loghain's.

That events were set up to enable Fergus to survive DAO (sans family) tells me there is a pretty good chance that, if the future rulership of Ferelden is ever addressed, Fergus (or his heirs) may play a part in it. Fergus' survival, fertility, and lack of family are the only factors that are consistent through all playthroughs.

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I wasn't aware that that was also on our table, figuratively speaking. While some people do have Alistair on the throne, I think even the canon that BioWare uses for the novels/comics etc does, for my canon, Alistair is a drunk, dead, or a Warden with no claim to the throne, and Anora rules alone. In the event that she dies w/out an heir, which, based on what we learn in Origins could be possible, I'd suppose either Highever, or Redcliffe would be next in line.

 

Default lore/dragon age as alistar on the throne alone. it's in comics and books.



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Just as Loghain Mac Tir was given nobility status and became very popular and highly respected following River Dane, the Hero of Ferelden was elevated - both in actuality, becoming the Warden-Commander and Arl of Amaranthine, and also in the hearts of all Fereldens.

It was an ideal time for the HoF to coalesce power to ensure the long-term stability of Ferelden - especially a Cousland HoF.
 

It takes only a few minutes to conceive a child. If Celene deems it important to birth an heir, I would expect her to make that sacrifice.
 

It was also a huge concern of mine, though I didn't take rumors about Anora's infertility too seriously.
 

I put Anora on the throne and sent Fergus Cousland a-courting. Even if Anora turned out to be infertile, Fergus could have produced bastards to keep Ferelden's succession secure. Fergus had already fathered a child. Uniting Ferelden under the leadership of the 2 most powerful noble lines seemed to me to be the best way to ensure ongoing stability.
 

Here's the thing: We've seen that Bioware intends to respect player's choices regarding Alistair's fate. He can show up as a King, a Grey Warden, or a drunk in Kirkwall, and also can appear in DAI. He may also have been the one who made the ultimate sacrifice in DAO, or he may have been executed. They would have to retcon all of that in order to set Alistair as canon King.

If the OGB exists, it could be the HoF's, Alistair's, or Loghain's.

That events were set up to enable Fergus to survive DAO (sans family) tells me there is a pretty good chance that, if the future rulership of Ferelden is ever addressed, Fergus (or his heirs) may play a part in it. Fergus' survival, fertility, and lack of family are the only factors that are consistent through all playthroughs.

 

Maybe, maybe not. Might not take the first few times. That happens sometimes. Regardless I doubt she will ever bother, it a shame really. I like her as Empress, but her being there causes problems in this regard.



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Default lore/dragon age as alistar on the throne alone. it's in comics and books.

It's the lore in the comics, but not the novels. However, as far as the games are concerned, only the novels are canon and not the comics.

 

You know there is a noble house even older then the Couslands or maybe even the Theirin  that may or may not have living members its all depending of your choice in Awakening.

Who??? Forgive me, but I don't recall any powerful noble family in Awakening. Aside from the Mac Tirs, the Guerrins, the Couslands, and the Theirins, the next big family that I could think of would be the Howes. If you're talking about the Howes, while they started out as rivals to the Couslands, they eventually became vassals to the Couslands (I forgot why, but it was explained in noble Warden origin).



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It's the lore in the comics, but not the novels. However, as far as the games are concerned, only the novels are canon and not the comics.

 

Who??? Forgive me, but I don't recall any powerful noble family in Awakening. Aside from the Mac Tirs, the Guerrins, the Couslands, and the Theirins, the next big family that I could think of would be the Howes. If you're talking about the Howes, while they started out as rivals to the Couslands, they eventually became vassals to the Couslands (I forgot why, but it was explained in noble Warden origin).

Actually they started as the lords of the Cousland familly probaly even before there was a family called Cousland and they  ruled both Aramantine and Highever. They were powerful nobles way before the first known Cousland made himself useful to one of the Howes. They are probably the oldest house in Ferelden.



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Not quite, the Howes had blood ties to the previous lords but weren't in the same family but the blood ties is why they felt Highover should have gone to them, however the Couslands were more popular and were able to secure support securing high over and later generations rose to Teryn giving the Howes quite the complex over the centuries.



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Not quite, the Howes had blood ties to the previous lords but weren't in the same family but the blood ties is why they felt Highover should have gone to them, however the Couslands were more popular and were able to secure support securing high over and later generations rose to Teryn giving the Howes quite the complex over the centuries.

You are right the former lords of the Couslands were the Elston Family one that was eliminated by Flemeth but they were cousins to the existing noble family the Howes which if I understood corectly they were the lords of the Elston Family.



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While Keiran has a strong claim to the throne (especially if Morrigan is Alistair's half sister), there are two issues with your head canon there. 1. Anora has higher rank than you so rebelling against her probably wouldn't work too well for you. 2. Keiran is probably a mage, so he can't hold title.

Complete made up rubbish by Fans who can't seem to get past the idea that a Male and Female can spend time alone without sex being involved. I suggest reading the books and Comics; especially the Comics.