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[Bleachrude]

Dothe novels ever hint to who is ruling Ferelden?

[SpookyDjinn]

Dothe novels ever hint to who is ruling Ferelden?

No they don't.
Flemeth simply states that Loghain will ultimately betray Maric and his Country, and that a Blight will all but destroy it. And that Maric will not be a round to see it. At that point Flemeth speaks with Maric alone in her hut for hours. When he comes out, he looks more than a little.....pale and grim at what she's told him.

[TheRevanchist]

No they don't.
Flemeth simply states that Loghain will ultimately betray Maric and his Country, and that a Blight will all but destroy it. And that Maric will not be a round to see it. At that point Flemeth speaks with Maric alone in her hut for hours. When he comes out, he looks more than a little.....pale and grim at what she's told him.

 

Then he gets captured and drained of his dragon blood for cult things and his son is forced to kill him.

[Akrabra]

Maric lead such a wonderful life!

[Fufunette]

Well I wouldn't live as Maric did... He saw her mother being killed, he killed his lover, he had to hide one of his son and never saw him grow up and then, died horribly... :/

[Aurawolf]

Great, something else for the Inquisition to clean up later.

 

Anyway, Bioware could really go Game of Thrones with this whole thing as Navarra, Orlais and Ferelden all implode leaving the Free Marchs and Tavinter in giant land grabs. No wonder they brought the Inquisition back, they will be needed to keep the world running with massive civilian deaths.

 

As far as a future ruler for Ferelden's heir it wouldn't be hard to have hid another one of Maric's illegitimate children around or if you read in DAI have one of Andraste's long lost daughters come forward to claim the throne. There are quiet a few interesting possibilities for the future story wise.

[Sith Grey Warden]

You are right the former lords of the Couslands were the Elston Family one that was eliminated by Flemeth but they were cousins to the existing noble family the Howes which if I understood corectly they were the lords of the Elston Family.

 

You do understand correctly. From the wiki:

 

"The outpost of Highever was originally held by the Elstan Family, who were a secondary branch of the then-freeholder family of Howes. During the Towers Age, Bann Conobar Elstan was murdered by his wife, Flemeth, thus ending the bloodline. Sarim Cousland, captain of Conobar's guard, took the lands and title.

 

The Couslands declared their independence from Amaranthine, starting a war that lasted thirty years. When the war ended, Highever won its independence and possession of half the land that had once been southwestern Amaranthine."

 

 

 

The Howes ruled Amaranthine before the first Cousland ascended from guard-captain to noble, and at that time, Amaranthine included Highever. We still don't have a concrete date on either family's origin, though. Both began some time between when the Alamarri settled Ferelden 3000 years ago and Calenhad uniting Ferelden 400 years ago. I'd expect that neither pre-dates Andraste as Maferath was a chieftain and the Alamarri lived in clans. So that narrows the time-frame to somewhere between -160 Ancient when Maferath's rule of Southern Thedas ended and 5:33 Exalted when Calenhad becomes Teyrn of Denerim.

 

We don't know how old other noble lines are, though. The Guerrins, Wulffs, Brylands, and potentially the Kendalls would have stronger claims as the Howes. We don't know that the Howe line is older.

 

More importantly, though,the Howes are no longer nobles. Thomas died in the war, Delilah married a commoner, and Nathaniel could be dead or a Warden. Even if he's alive and not a Warden, he's a pariah. After Fergus, Teagan might have a strong claim by being Cailan's uncle, but he'd scarcely be in a better a position than Arl Wulff, Arl Bryland, or Arl Kendall. There's also Arl Lendon from the tabletop RPG, and there could be yet more Arls we just haven't heard of yet.

[HereticDante]

Hence my query. Unless Alistiar or Anora and Alistair have a child, Ferelden looks set for another civil war or at least a major succession crisis.

[Sith Grey Warden]

Hence my query. Unless Alistiar or Anora and Alistair have a child, Ferelden looks set for another civil war or at least a major succession crisis.

 

Indeed. Even with Fergus around, his claim is far from impeccable. There also has to be a new Teyrn of Gwaren. The title could be given to the Warden, but if it's not, we don't know who gets it. Queen Anora would probably confer it upon another noble as she can't oversee it directly while she's queen, and the nobility would probably hate to see the monarch hold another huge title. If she's not queen, she's either executed or locked in the dungeon. The Keep doesn't even let us choose which, so she has to be completely out of the picture in that timeline. The new Teyrn would probably be another noble line promoted, perhaps a local Bann. Their claim would be a little weaker than Fergus, but an astute politician could easily gain enough support to cause a civil war.

 

And again, any Arl could make the claim. We know Sophia Dryden was Arlessa when she made her bid, so an Arl could have such standing. Theoretically, any noble could, but I doubt anyone less than an Arl would be a serious candidate.

 

As far as the Calenhad bloodline itself is concerned, there's no way that it's truly died out. Sure, you'd have to go back to Queen Moira's theoretical siblings or further to find living relatives, but there's no way that Calenhad has no living descendants 400 years later besides Alistair. Whatever significance the dragon blood has, it's probably diffused through the entire Fereldan nobility by now.

[HereticDante]

I'm not so sure. I think there's a good chance that SOMEBODY out there has Calenhad's blood and doesn't know it. But I can't picture the Orlesians being anything but exceedingly thorough in killing off anyone with royal blood who could potentially make a claim to the throne, no matter how far down the line of succession they might be.

[Bleachrude]

Funny thing about the Teryn of Gwaren. Maric was able to give this Teryn to Loghain BECAUSE the Teryn of Gwaren  was his by right of inheritship from his FATHER (the previous Teryn of Gwaren)

 

I propose that the original idea behind linking the mac tirs and the theirins was for the eldest child of anore/cailan to beome ruler of Ferelden and the 2nd child to become the Teryn of Gwaren...

 

The succession crisis in Ferelden is really bad since while people like Wulff and Bryland probably had no problem with Bryce Cousland inheriting, the much younger Cousland wouldn't be afforded the same luxury

[TheRevanchist]

Indeed. Even with Fergus around, his claim is far from impeccable. There also has to be a new Teyrn of Gwaren. The title could be given to the Warden, but if it's not, we don't know who gets it. Queen Anora would probably confer it upon another noble as she can't oversee it directly while she's queen, and the nobility would probably hate to see the monarch hold another huge title. If she's not queen, she's either executed or locked in the dungeon. The Keep doesn't even let us choose which, so she has to be completely out of the picture in that timeline. The new Teyrn would probably be another noble line promoted, perhaps a local Bann. Their claim would be a little weaker than Fergus, but an astute politician could easily gain enough support to cause a civil war.

 

And again, any Arl could make the claim. We know Sophia Dryden was Arlessa when she made her bid, so an Arl could have such standing. Theoretically, any noble could, but I doubt anyone less than an Arl would be a serious candidate.

 

As far as the Calenhad bloodline itself is concerned, there's no way that it's truly died out. Sure, you'd have to go back to Queen Moira's theoretical siblings or further to find living relatives, but there's no way that Calenhad has no living descendants 400 years later besides Alistair. Whatever significance the dragon blood has, it's probably diffused through the entire Fereldan nobility by now.

 

I don't think it's such an impossible possibility. Even in the real world, not every dynastic line had lots of extended family. I do believe that somehow, the Dryden's are related on some distant level. However they are clearly considered "dead" in the eyes of Ferelden nobility. I can't imagine this situation honestly. Three countries at once having the same problem, when historically it's odd for this to ever happen at all. Tevinter and/or Qunaddar is about to get a very big opportunity in the next couple decades. The rise of Nevarra will grind to a halt, the "decline" of Orlais will accelerate and Ferelden will collapse into the bad old days of in fighting. The Calenhad blood is literally the glue that holds that country togeather, it makes me sad to see this situation developing. 

[Aesir26]

IF your warden is a man, there is a line of dialogue that has her softening a little toward Alistair, but yea, she's pretty harsh in her response to him.  Understandable considering the life she's had to lead.

 

Spoiler

And ironically, as we learn in Inquisition, she's not really his sister.

 

No heir in sight in Inquisition, though I get a letter from Fergus Cousland, so I know he's doing alright.  Probably has a couple of kids.  The line of Calanhad will die out with Alistair (unless Morrigan's son is his).

 

In relation to the spoiler I can only say "Well, that's fifteen sovereigns lost".

[helpthisguyplease]

You do understand correctly. From the wiki:

 

"The outpost of Highever was originally held by the Elstan Family, who were a secondary branch of the then-freeholder family of Howes. During the Towers Age, Bann Conobar Elstan was murdered by his wife, Flemeth, thus ending the bloodline. Sarim Cousland, captain of Conobar's guard, took the lands and title.

 

The Couslands declared their independence from Amaranthine, starting a war that lasted thirty years. When the war ended, Highever won its independence and possession of half the land that had once been southwestern Amaranthine."

 

 

 

The Howes ruled Amaranthine before the first Cousland ascended from guard-captain to noble, and at that time, Amaranthine included Highever. We still don't have a concrete date on either family's origin, though. Both began some time between when the Alamarri settled Ferelden 3000 years ago and Calenhad uniting Ferelden 400 years ago. I'd expect that neither pre-dates Andraste as Maferath was a chieftain and the Alamarri lived in clans. So that narrows the time-frame to somewhere between -160 Ancient when Maferath's rule of Southern Thedas ended and 5:33 Exalted when Calenhad becomes Teyrn of Denerim.

 

We don't know how old other noble lines are, though. The Guerrins, Wulffs, Brylands, and potentially the Kendalls would have stronger claims as the Howes. We don't know that the Howe line is older.

 

More importantly, though,the Howes are no longer nobles. Thomas died in the war, Delilah married a commoner, and Nathaniel could be dead or a Warden. Even if he's alive and not a Warden, he's a pariah. After Fergus, Teagan might have a strong claim by being Cailan's uncle, but he'd scarcely be in a better a position than Arl Wulff, Arl Bryland, or Arl Kendall. There's also Arl Lendon from the tabletop RPG, and there could be yet more Arls we just haven't heard of yet.

That is why I said depending on your choices in Awakening you can make the Howes nobles again. Even if the next one is the child of Delilah. It seems in Ferelden you can still be of a noble house even if its your Mother's house. Example Maric is a Theirin and of royal blood because of his mother not his father. And that seems to mean something.

[NotBeouwulf]

Ferelden shouldn't have too much of a problem as it is an elected Monarchy. Though they have de facto followed primogeniture succession, each monarch is technically chosen at a landsmeet. Thus it wouldn't be impossible within their system to choose a king outside the current royal bloodline.

The Orlesian Royal Family is probably fairly large with a robust succession system. With Gascard gone the Council of Heralds will find someone else before Celene goes.

Neverra has potential problems though.

[Leoroc]

There's no reason to believe it will all happen at once anyway. They don't have to all die in the same year, or even decade. Some places can also resolve it quicker if someone has already set themselves up as successor. Gaspard did with Celene (she just happened to live instead) and Anora had with Cailan

[duckley]

In my version - there is an heir.... Morrigan and Alistairs's son.

[LadyVaJedi]

I would love to know how Fiona gotten rid of the taint. Also if she gotten pregnant with having the taint The HOF could get with child.

[DRTJR]

The "easy" solution would be to have a Codex entry pop up in DA4 with news of the Birth of an Heir in Ferelden as Prince Duncan if Alister is king or Prince Loghain if Anora is the sole Monarch.

[robertthebard]

You do understand correctly. From the wiki:
 
"The outpost of Highever was originally held by the Elstan Family, who were a secondary branch of the then-freeholder family of Howes. During the Towers Age, Bann Conobar Elstan was murdered by his wife, Flemeth, thus ending the bloodline. Sarim Cousland, captain of Conobar's guard, took the lands and title.
 
The Couslands declared their independence from Amaranthine, starting a war that lasted thirty years. When the war ended, Highever won its independence and possession of half the land that had once been southwestern Amaranthine."
 
 
 
The Howes ruled Amaranthine before the first Cousland ascended from guard-captain to noble, and at that time, Amaranthine included Highever. We still don't have a concrete date on either family's origin, though. Both began some time between when the Alamarri settled Ferelden 3000 years ago and Calenhad uniting Ferelden 400 years ago. I'd expect that neither pre-dates Andraste as Maferath was a chieftain and the Alamarri lived in clans. So that narrows the time-frame to somewhere between -160 Ancient when Maferath's rule of Southern Thedas ended and 5:33 Exalted when Calenhad becomes Teyrn of Denerim.
 
We don't know how old other noble lines are, though. The Guerrins, Wulffs, Brylands, and potentially the Kendalls would have stronger claims as the Howes. We don't know that the Howe line is older.
 
More importantly, though,the Howes are no longer nobles. Thomas died in the war, Delilah married a commoner, and Nathaniel could be dead or a Warden. Even if he's alive and not a Warden, he's a pariah. After Fergus, Teagan might have a strong claim by being Cailan's uncle, but he'd scarcely be in a better a position than Arl Wulff, Arl Bryland, or Arl Kendall. There's also Arl Lendon from the tabletop RPG, and there could be yet more Arls we just haven't heard of yet.

However, with the events in Awakening, wouldn't the Howe's claim, no matter how legitimate, be forfeit, since they were stripped of lands and titles? Not a direct response to your post, I realize, but this is what triggered the thought. I think that any claim they may have had is out the window at this point.

[helpthisguyplease]

However, with the events in Awakening, wouldn't the Howe's claim, no matter how legitimate, be forfeit, since they were stripped of lands and titles? Not a direct response to your post, I realize, but this is what triggered the thought. I think that any claim they may have had is out the window at this point.

Yeah but they can get it back and in the situation that they get it back if you make certain choices in Awakenings. Well they get the noble title back.

[Sith Grey Warden]

 

That is why I said depending on your choices in Awakening you can make the Howes nobles again. Even if the next one is the child of Delilah. It seems in Ferelden you can still be of a noble house even if its your Mother's house. Example Maric is a Theirin and of royal blood because of his mother not his father. And that seems to mean something.

 

It has nothing to do with gender. Delilah was born a noble, but when she chose to marry a commoner and live like a commoner, she pretty much loses that standing. Much like how the Drydens are no longer nobles, any descendants of Delilah lack much of a claim. Queen Moira married the Teyrn of Gwaren, not a commoner. It would've been beyond scanadlous had she married some random merchant.

 

 

I would love to know how Fiona gotten rid of the taint. Also if she gotten pregnant with having the taint The HOF could get with child.

 

 

Not necessarily. We don't know exactly how the Wardens' infertility works. It's possible that in the women, it doesn't prevent conception but interferes with the fetus's development. As the mother's body shares nutrients with the fetus, perhaps the taint also enters into it, causing a very early miscarriage. I would argue that such an explanation is more likely as Fiona defying the taint's infertility and being cured of the taint are just too big and unlikely to be completely independent of each other.

 

HOF's best hope of getting pregnant is to find that cure in the western lands.

[helpthisguyplease]

It has nothing to do with gender. Delilah was born a noble, but when she chose to marry a commoner and live like a commoner, she pretty much loses that standing. Much like how the Drydens are no longer nobles, any descendants of Delilah lack much of a claim. Queen Moira married the Teyrn of Gwaren, not a commoner. It would've been beyond scanadlous had she married some random merchant.

I do not know if it works like that because in that event where the Howe family is noble again the child that Delilah and that merchant have is the one who gets land and title thanks to his uncle. Anyway Alistair is oficially the son of the king and a servant girl and he became king. Or in case of royalty there are different standards?

[Patchwork]

However, with the events in Awakening, wouldn't the Howe's claim, no matter how legitimate, be forfeit, since they were stripped of lands and titles? Not a direct response to your post, I realize, but this is what triggered the thought. I think that any claim they may have had is out the window at this point.

 

There's an epilogue slide that says Nathaniel saves Fergus' life and he gives Nathaniel a small holding in gratitude which passes to Delilah's son. Not that BW treats the slides as canon particularly the DA:A ones but still it could be if another noble wants to they can elevate even fallen houses and give them noble status again. 

 

It's been 10 years in-game I think it's time for Ferelden to get a canon monarch especially now that they've created a similar variable with the Orlesian throne.  Long live King Fergus!