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Ferelden's Heir?


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#101
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The "easy" solution would be to have a Codex entry pop up in DA4 with news of the Birth of an Heir in Ferelden as Prince Duncan if Alister is king or Prince Loghain if Anora is the sole Monarch.

What about if you are queen with alistair/ king with Anora?

 

Anyways, Fereldan has a safeguard in that they can elect a new king, which the other countries, Nevarra and Orlais can not.



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What about if you are queen with alistair/ king with Anora?

 

Anyways, Fereldan has a safeguard in that they can elect a new king, which the other countries, Nevarra and Orlais can not.

Orlais can actually there is a council that does that. Thanks to them Celene became empress.



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What happens if the Warden is king Alistair's mistress? If he isn't married to Anora it looks like he's still single as of Inquisition. Perhaps a cured elven/human mage warden would be able to give him an heir that he could make legitimate. Elf-blooded humans just look human anyways. 



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I do not know if it works like that because in that event where the Howe family is noble again the child that Delilah and that merchant have is the one who gets land and title thanks to his uncle. Anyway Alistair is oficially the son of the king and a servant girl and he became king. Or in case of royalty there are different standards?

 

 

There's an epilogue slide that says Nathaniel saves Fergus' life and he gives Nathaniel a small holding in gratitude which passes to Delilah's son. Not that BW treats the slides as canon particularly the DA:A ones but still it could be if another noble wants to they can elevate even fallen houses and give them noble status again. 

 

It's been 10 years in-game I think it's time for Ferelden to get a canon monarch especially now that they've created a similar variable with the Orlesian throne.  Long live King Fergus!

 

Fergus gives Nathaniel a new holding. The Howes are noble again, but their centuries-old line was broken and now they're effectively a new noble family. A "small holding" probably means he's probably just a Lord at most, far removed from the politics of the throne.

 

 

On a different note, I get the feeling like the Inquisition is being set up to take over all of southern Thedas. The epilogue said it's as powerful as a country. Its potential interventions on the war table include facilitating a peace treaty between Ferelden and Orlais and assassinating an advisor to the King of Nevarra. In my epilogue, it was said that Celene clings to the alliance with the Inquisition to stay in power. Could the Inquisition effectively gain control over these nations? As they experience their succession crises, perhaps the Inquisition will need to send soldiers to "restore order." Based on real life medieval history, it's not unprecedented for a military order to conquer nations. The Teutonic Knights ruled Prussia, and the Livonian Order ruled Estonia and Latvia. Heck, there's even a precedent in Thedas since the Wardens rule the Anderfels. It could happen for the Inquisition.



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I would love to know how Fiona gotten rid of the taint. Also if she gotten pregnant with having the taint The HOF could get with child.

It has been stated that if one of the parents has the taint, then it is possible but highly unlikely to conceive. However if both parents have the taint then it is completely impossible to conceive. So a HoF/Anora could produce an heir as could an Alistair/Anora pairing, but not an Alistair/HoF pairing.Including bastards you could also get one from HoF/Leliana or HoF/Zervan(wait can you keep Zervan as a lover and marry Allistair.....I'm going to assume that you can for purposes of this post).



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The Wardens don't rule the Anderfels so much as just keep de facto order because the monarchy doesn't bother to extend its influence much outside Hossberg.

 

Also Nathaniel passes those lands over to Delilah's son, so Nathaniel's status himself doesn't change. Im also not sure if we can say for certain that makes them Noble again either. Unlike in Orlais you can own land in Ferelden without being of noble status, hence the freeholders.



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The Wardens don't rule the Anderfels so much as just keep de facto order because the monarchy doesn't bother to extend its influence much outside Hossberg.

 

Also Nathaniel passes those lands over to Delilah's son, so Nathaniel's status himself doesn't change. Im also not sure if we can say for certain that makes them Noble again either. Unlike in Orlais you can own land in Ferelden without being of noble status, hence the freeholders.

I think he is a noble because he has noble ancestry and land. And you do not lose noble status because you are married with a commoner(assuming that women and men have the same rights and are viewed equally in society) I know this because Loghain married a clerk and daughter of a cabinet maker that was not noble as he and Anora confirmed. And Loghain was still a noble(even if not at birth) after that.



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Alistair is still a Grey Warden if anyone remembers, and after some time after their initiation they become unable to have children. So there. Unless Anora gets herself some bastard child then next in line is probably Arl Teagan and his offspring, if he has any.



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Alistair is still a Grey Warden if anyone remembers, and after some time after their initiation they become unable to have children. So there.

 

Yeah that isn't true. At no point do they state that. Fiona says its less common for Grey Wardens to have children but it does happen. They also can't have children with eachother.

 

If you're referring to Morrigan's dialogue during the dark ritual, that had to do with the progression of the darkspawn taint visa vis aborsbing the soul of urthemiel,

not with the warden's own capacity to have children.



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I saw this and I was like....Ferelden hair? Not much better than Orlesian hair.



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The "easy" solution would be to have a Codex entry pop up in DA4 with news of the Birth of an Heir in Ferelden as Prince Duncan if Alister is king or Prince Loghain if Anora is the sole Monarch.

 

Certainly, just a codex entry announcing the birth of a prince or princess in any scenario would work



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Unfortunately the boon you get at the ending of Origins isn't carried over to the sequels. My main warden was a Cousland, married Anora, and also chose the boon that grants him Gwaren. That puts Couslands in control of both teyrnirs in Ferelden, so in that case I'd imagine Fergus and his heirs would have the strongest claim on the throne and would be able to move Ferelden towards a more centralized monarchy.

 

Kieran, being the Warden's bastard, would be the only complication and could cause trouble later with his witch thief mother backing him. Leliana was his mistress too, and I nudged her towards being a ruthless Divine in Inquisition though I don't know how that'd play into things. Unfortunately, Inquisition was bugged and had both Morrigan and Leliana in a loving relationship with the Warden, even though he stabbed Morrigan in Witch Hunt.

 

All of this is too compelling and complicated for BioWare to design around, however, if the timeline ever reaches that point. What will most likely happen is Ferelden, with its love of democracy, will rally around Teagan in a Landsmeet and choose him unanimously. Thus, an ineffectual arl will rob the Cousland house of its rightful place and glory. <_<



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Unfortunately the boon you get at the ending of Origins isn't carried over to the sequels. My main warden was a Cousland, married Anora, and also chose the boon that grants him Gwaren. That puts Couslands in control of both teyrnirs in Ferelden, so in that case I'd imagine Fergus and his heirs would have the strongest claim on the throne and would be able to move Ferelden towards a more centralized monarchy.

 

Kieran, being the Warden's bastard, would be the only complication and could cause trouble later with his witch thief mother backing him. Leliana was his mistress too, and I nudged her towards being a ruthless Divine in Inquisition though I don't know how that'd play into things. Unfortunately, Inquisition was bugged and had both Morrigan and Leliana in a loving relationship with the Warden, even though he stabbed Morrigan in Witch Hunt.

 

All of this is too compelling and complicated for BioWare to design around, however, if the timeline ever reaches that point. What will most likely happen is Ferelden, with its love of democracy, will rally around Teagan in a Landsmeet and choose him unanimously. Thus, an ineffectual arl will rob the Cousland house of its rightful place and glory. <_<

 

Sounds rather self insert. But  having an heir isn't dependent on the boon in any way.