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[Maclimes]

It seems to me that the role played by Loghain/Alistair/Stroud ("Hawke's Warden friend") was originally intended to be the Hero of Ferelden. A lot of the dialogue, especially by Hawke and Leliana, refers to "the Warden" instead of using the character's name. That's usually done when a character doesn't HAVE a consistent name (like the various protagonists).

 

There's one scene that feels really awkward, and stood out in my mind. After your first confrontation with the magister who is corrupting the Wardens in the Western Approach, Hawke says, "I'll go with the Warden and do blah blah". It felt really awkward. Why not say, "I'll go with Loghain" or "I'll go with Alistair"? It's only three lines. There's plenty of places in the game where multiple versions of a line were recorded like that (for example, being introduced to Loghain or whoever).

 

Also, the entire Fade sequence would be far more powerful, to the player, if the Warden was THE Warden. When you first meet Justinia, she says something like, "Hello Warden. Hello Champion. And hello Inquisitor." It's like it was written for all three protagonists to be there together. And the choice you make at the end between Warden/Hawke would be even wilder with YOUR Warden and YOUR Hawke playing the role there.

 

So, if I'm right (and I think I am), why? Why was the Warden replaced with Loghain/Alistair/Stroud? It seems like that would take MORE resources to do. Was it because they didn't want to commit to a single voice for the Warden? Do they have different plans for the Warden going forward? What's up?

 

(Also, for those with a sacrificed Warden, they could simply use the Orlesian Warden who takes his/her place in the Awakening expansion).

[Tielis]

If this was their original plan, I'm glad somebody talked them out of it.  Choosing between my Warden and Hawke?  Pfft... this would be the last BioWare game I ever bought.

 

Gratuitous tragedy is gratuitous.

[Ranadiel Marius]

So because they decided to save money by condensing three lines into one in a few places, that means that they were originally planning on using a completely different set up, but decided to a bad on it after recording some of the lines? O.o Cool story.

The Warden's story is over, just let it go.

[herkles]

I kind of wish that if both alistair and Loghain were not available but bethany/carver were available that they would be the choice for the warden contact or at the very least being able to see them at adament fighting for your side.

[Chari]

Maybe

But if so I'm glad they decided not to do it

I adore my Wardens but I'd hate to kill Carver's sister, Fenris' girlfriend. Like, just imagine their angst. Nope

[Esteed789]

To me this just sounds like the conspiracy theorists that insist "Roswell happened and here's why".  They pretty consistently said throughout development that our Warden wasn't going to physically appear in the game.  People didn't want to believe it, but it didn't change the message.  Now the game comes out and lo and behold Bioware was telling the truth...and people still don't want to accept it.

[dsl08002]

I believe that it was intended but im glad it wasnt the case, it would have been a to easy choice.

Im sure however that bioware look into making the warden perfect with voice and everything but not just yet.

[Maclimes]

I'm not desperate for some appearance by the Warden. I'm happy with the way things are, and like many of you, I'm glad I didn't have to choose between my Warden and my Hawke.

 

It just seems like too interesting of a setup to be a coincidence: A three man team, made up of the Inquisitor, the Champion, and ... a Warden. 

[Knight of Dane]

The Warden's story isn't over. They're on a mission to learn how to reverse the Calling. 

 

And yes and no. Becoming a Grey Warden is just that. You're no longer who used to be, but an idea. So I imagine a lot of Wardens get referred to as 'Warden' by outsiders unless they have a significant rank within the Order like Warden-Commander.

 

The games lore seem to suggest that, which is also why the Qunari respect the Wardens despite never actually meeting them on home soil. They exist for a single purpose.

[Todrazok]

Doubt it, referring to Stroud/Alistair/Loghain as "the warden" is simply a title that applies to all of them, thus saving some variation in dialogue and quest text. 

[Former_Fiend]

Given that you'd need at least six voice actors to cover the warden(british for human noble/mage city elf/elf mage, american for the dwarves, irish for the dalish, two of each for genders), and you'd still need Loghain/Alistiar/Stroud incase the Warden was dead, no, I don't believe that the Warden was ever intended for that particular role.

[herkles]

Given that you'd need at least six voice actors to cover the warden(british for human noble/mage city elf/elf mage, american for the dwarves, irish for the dalish, two of each for genders), and you'd still need Loghain/Alistiar/Stroud incase the Warden was dead, no, I don't believe that the Warden was ever intended for that particular role.

could have just picked two vas. 1 for men and 1 for female, of course people would have complained.

[Maclimes]

They could just narrow it down to ambiguously British and North American. 

 

This. Exactly like they did for the Inquisitor.

 

And you wouldn't need Stroud, Loghain, or Alistair's voices at all. If your Warden died doing the Ultimate Sacrifice, an Orlesian Warden goes to Amaranthine to do the events of Awakening, and that would be the character used in these scenes. Either way, it's the last Warden you played in Origins.

[Bucky]

I actually would have loved having to choose between Hawke and HoF.

 

I don't see how they could have ever put a voiced Warden in the game without upsetting a good chunk of players though.

[Vikarus]

I for one am so glad they didn't include the Warden. There were so many voices to pick from in Origins, if I didn't hear, "Can I get you a ladder so you can get off my back?" I would have been irate. Not only that but the Warden had no set personality, so unless they were a mute, odds are they would have been out of character. I don't ever want to see the Warden again unless it's in in full armor in the background in a brief and silent cameo, or in their own game, where they're once again a mute and we get a large selection of dialogue.

As for this quest, I agree with everyone that "Warden" is just to save time voice acting, and also as a term of respect. I think they should have used a different default Warden than Stroud for us to choose, though. Hawke or Stroud isn't really much of a choice when we have no personal attachment to the man. Why not someone from Awakening who couldn't die like Oghren or Velanna?

[Former_Fiend]

They could just narrow it down to ambiguously British and North American. 

 

Even then, that's four extra voice actors - still have to account for male and female wardens - on top of the the three you'd already have. That's four extra voice files that may not be heard at all due to sacrifice imports. 

[Former_Fiend]

Orlesian Warden-Commander as the Hero of Ferelden back up with the same VAs. Problem solved. People that did the DR and US both get to experience the character without wasted resources.

 

Wouldn't that kind of defeat the point of them being Orlesian?

[Avejajed]

I would never finish the game if I had to choose between my Warden and Hawke. Nope.

[Chari]

Wouldn't that kind of defeat the point of them being Orlesian?

Good voice actors can easily sound differently if they want to

Compare Starscream from TF:P and Oghren for example

[Former_Fiend]

Good voice actors can easily sound differently if they want to

Compare Starscream from TF:P and Oghren for example

 

That doesn't really solve the problem, then. Having them record the dialogue twice - once british, once french - might be cheaper than hiring two completely different voice actors, but you'd still be paying them for twice the work, and it would still be twice the voice files taking up space on the disk.

 

 

Maybe they're from Jader? Orlesian in name only.

 

Alright, fine, semi-viable. That doesn't mean it was ever the intention to place the Warden in this position instead of Loghain/Alistair/Stroud.