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[Erupit]

BioWare, guys, we LOVE you. You've given us options in RPGs nobody else even begins to try to offer. Specifically, the romances you've implemented in your games (from Knights of the Old Republic to this day) have been industry-leading and one of the major reasons your games are considered so immersive and deep.

 

I know development requires a lot more work than saying "we want to do this", and fans can't always conceive of the difficulties involved with some of our requests / desires.

 

That being said: Please apply some more common sense when designing what available romance options the player will have.

 

My point:

 

Straight Male Options (Probably 60-70% of your player-base, but let's not go there):
 

Cassandra
Josephine

 

Straight Female Options:

 

Cullen (race-specific)

Solas (race-specific)

Iron Bull

Blackwall

 

Exclusively Homosexual Options:

 

Dorian

Sera

 

And now, what they obviously should have been to anyone who has played the game:

 

Male Options:

 

Cassandra

Josephine

Dorian

Iron Bull

Sera (widely considered the strongest written character in this game)?

Leliana?

Vivienne?

Scout Harding? (I mean, you allowed a lot of flirting, here)

The Minstrel? (in Haven and Skyhold, I realize that's a stretch, but you must admit, the songs are phenomenal and the thought has likely crossed EVERY male player's mind)

 

Female Options:

 

Josephine

Iron Bull

Cullen

Blackwall

Solas (again, race-specific)

Sera

Leliana?

The Minstrel?

 

 

And if you REALLY wanted to be, ya know, BioWare about it - you could allow us to romance Morrigan as long as everything fits just right for it.

[FKA_Servo]

Looks like you essentially want to go back to the all bi cast of DA2?

 

Which would suit me. I'm not at all bent out of shape about the way it's laid out in DAI (truth be told, it will probably encourage a wider range of eventual playthroughs) but the approach in DA2 was pretty good - perfect for that game, certainly.

[Dominari]

<--- is not part of "we."

Thank you.

[Meatbaggins]

No thanks. I'd rather all aspects of the story, including the romances, be genuine and organic, and not just be slapped on to satisfy fan demand.

[Luk3ling]

Every character should be pan-sexual, or better yet, some variation of demi-sexual in a sense.

 

I'm the mother-effing Herald of Andraste for crying out loud, I'm a pillar of strength and skill beyond anything you had ever beheld, gonna change your mind even if you weren't into ladies before, Cassandra.

 

No reason my characters gender or race should play into whether or not a character can be romanced. Dorians story could have been no less interesting or meaningful if he suddenly decided to take an interest in ladies when he came across the Herald.. 

 

Solas talks about how people aren't defined by what they look like, but how they act, he treats and presents this as a life philosphy, yet he is only willingly to be with a female elf?

Silly, BioWare.

[Luk3ling]

No thanks. I'd rather all aspects of the story, including the romances, be genuine and organic, and not just be slapped on to satisfy fan demand.

You understand that what is being presented here would make it MORE organic, right?

[StingingVelvet]

"Industry leading" in embarrassing cutscenes and weird fan desires, maybe.

[Erupit]

Don't get it twisted. "Fan-demand" is what makes the game popular, and in the end, successful. There's a market for RPGs, trust me.

 

It's NOT an all-bi cast (read it again), which there's nothing wrong with. Besides, it describes quite clearly in the codex entry "Sexuality in Thedas" that an all-bi cast wouldn't in any way be preposterous, even if that were what I'm suggesting. I'm suggesting a mostly bi cast, that presents the player with the highest chance for attaining their heart's desire (so to speak), while also defining certain characters as "off-limits" or "hard to get".

[DrBlingzle]

Sera (widely considered the strongest written character in this game)

 

Edit: Not that I'm saying your not allowed to believe that if you think she is the strongest written character (your completely entitled to your opinion) but judging by the numerous hate threads I highly doubt that that she is "widely considerd" to be the strgest written character by most of the fanbase.

[RShara]

I'd settle for straight female romances that don't involve gut punches.  I'm looking at you, Solas, and Blackwall.

[Lord Surinen]

I can't sign under 'love', but yes I agree that non straight romances should be drastically limited in favour of straight ones.

[Dominari]

judging by the numerous hate threads I highly doubt that that she is "widely considerd" to be the strgest written character by most of the fanbase.

To be fair, you don't get that level of hate from weak writing ...

[Dominari]

I'd settle for straight female romances that don't involve gut punches.  I'm looking at you, Solas, and Blackwall.

Go with Iron Bull. No gut punches! Whacking him with a stick doesn't count, right?

[FKA_Servo]

To be fair, you don't get that level of hate from weak writing ...

 

This. Though I like Sera a lot.

 

For example, the fact that I want to take an oar to Fenris' and Sebastian's faces whenever they say or do things is a testament to how well they're written.

[Maclimes]

I can't believe you included the Minstrel, who has no personality at all, but left out Krem, who has tons of dialogue, personality, and story connections.

 

Also, why is Scout Harding a male-only option on your list? Female Inquisitors can flirt with her just as much as male ones.

 

Vivienne has a very good reason for not being romance-able. Do her personal quests, you'll see.

[BammBamm]

to be honest, romance options are the least what interest me in a game like dragon age. if they are made well its a part of the character interaction and im fine with it, but persude someone with gifts to have sex with you like da:o or the highly stupid trashtalk in da:i and leading to a short cutscene without consequences for further interaction is in my opinion just a waste of development ressources. but pretty sure it is a sales angle for some, especially in the us where sex and nudity is a much bigger taboo than in europe.

[NoForgiveness]

Cullen - no. It's obvious he's straight in the other games. So changing that would lessen his character.
Sera- no. Her character is strongly based on being gay. Just about all dirty jokes she makes are about lady parts. The one I heard that wasn't, she changed it so it was.
Leliana - I wouldn't have been opposed to it, but I think it steps on the warden romancers' toes.
Vivienne - no. She's married. Plus I think she's a stronger character without it.
Scout harding- no. I don't understand the obsession with her, but she's a minor character. Deal.
Minstrel - no.

Also I'm going to point out that just because straight males are the majority(not proven, btw) does not mean they should get special treatment. It's called equality. And yes I realize straight females sort of get special treatment but there really isn't any other mainish characters they could've added.

[AlanC9]

Straight Male Options (Probably 60-70% of your player-base, but let's not go there):

If you don't want to go there, why bring it up?

[Ceoldoren]

Cullen - no. It's obvious he's straight in the other games. So changing that would lessen his character.
Sera- no. Her character is strongly based on being gay. Just about all dirty jokes she makes are about lady parts. The one I heard that wasn't, she changed it so it was.
Leliana - I wouldn't have been opposed to it, but I think it steps on the warden romancers' toes.
Vivienne - no. She's married. Plus I think she's a stronger character without it.
Scout harding- no. I don't understand the obsession with her, but she's a minor character. Deal.
Minstrel - no.

Also I'm going to point out that just because straight males are the majority(not proven, btw) does not mean they should get special treatment. It's called equality. And yes I realize straight females sort of get special treatment but there really isn't any other mainish characters they could've added.

Viv isn't married. She's a mistress.

 

I agree with everything other than Scout Harding. She's hardly a minor character considering she's probably the most used non-companion/adviser character in the game. 

 

Also, she's a cute badass with a good sense of humor. And some people have been wanting a dwarf romance forever. So that's the obsession with her

[Erupit]

Cullen - no. 

 

I'm pretty sure a male human character can romance Cullen. Edited: This is false. My mistake. Redacted.

 

If you don't want to go there, why bring it up?

 

I could have said a lot more about this, so I said nearly nothing. 2 options for the overwhelming majority of 1st playthroughs for those creating personal avatars is too few.

 

I can't believe you included the Minstrel, who has no personality at all, but left out Krem, who has tons of dialogue, personality, and story connections.

 

Also, why is Scout Harding a male-only option on your list? Female Inquisitors can flirt with her just as much as male ones.

 

Vivienne has a very good reason for not being romance-able. Do her personal quests, you'll see.

 

Kudos, Krem should be on that list, I knew I was missing some people. Didn't know females could flirt with Harding - that's valid, too. I understand Vivienne, however maybe later in the game? After all that business, I mean.

 

to be honest, romance options are the least what interest me in a game like dragon age. if they are made well its a part of the character interaction and im fine with it, but persude someone with gifts to have sex with you like da:o or the highly stupid trashtalk in da:i and leading to a short cutscene without consequences for further interaction is in my opinion just a waste of development ressources. but pretty sure it is a sales angle for some, especially in the us where sex and nudity is a much bigger taboo than in europe.

 

Dude, it's in the game in the first place for a reason. People loved Dragon Age: Origins so much in part because of the amazing relationship options (Morrigan, anyone?). I'm in the US, too - and being prude puts you in the minority anywhere, buddy. Especially among RPG players (rofl). It's a great way to add real depth to character development, give a more appealing and mature experience to players who like their RPGs bloody and risque, and give the player something extra to fight for, emotionally. It works, it's established, get over it. They do such a marvelous job with this in so many games (Mass Effect 2), I just want them to keep pushing the limits and doing it right.

Modifié par Erupit, 05 décembre 2014 - 06:23 .

[FKA_Servo]

Bioware is one of the only developers that actually let's you integrate a romance subplot into their narrative, let alone one of your choice. It's certainly something that distinguishes them from other devs, and I think it's probably the best thing about them (apart from their consistently fantastic writing and characterization, but the romance stuff goes right in hand with that as far as I'm concerned).

[am0n]

You almost got it, OP.  But my femquiz would like to romance Cassandra.

[BammBamm]

Dude, it's in the game in the first place for a reason. People loved Dragon Age: Origins so much in part because of the amazing relationship options (Morrigan, anyone?). I'm in the US, too - and being prude puts you in the minority anywhere, buddy. Especially among RPG players (rofl). It's a great way to add real depth to character development, give a more appealing and mature experience to players who like their RPGs bloody and risque, and give the player something extra to fight for, emotionally. It works, it's established, get over it. They do such a marvelous job with this in so many games (Mass Effect 2), I just want them to keep pushing the limits and doing it right.

 

nah it generates attention thats all. and dont missunderstand me, not saying us citizens are prude, but the handling in media is. in europa you can see nudity and sex scenes in the afternoon program so nearly nobody cares about this feature in a game. and as i said, if it would be part of the character interaction it would be fine, but giving morrigan gifts to have sex with her and after that nobody cares is not. if she would react jealous after this when you talk to other females it would be fun, but there is nothing after it happens.

[Eggplant Hell Princess]

I'd settle for straight female romances that don't involve gut punches.  I'm looking at you, Solas, and Blackwall.

 

Yes. Cullen was the closest to a drama-free romance straight women have gotten and he was still a drug addict with PTSD.

[Erupit]

giving morrigan gifts to have sex with her and after that nobody cares

 

No. If you got the Feast Day DLC, you could then gain access to enough companion gifts to unlock all their conversations. You still had to talk to them and choose the right dialogue options. It was still role playing, and still had other restrictions. Over-simplifying and not giving BioWare due credit.