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[Maclimes]

It seems like it would just be easier to say, "Here is a list of all characters" at this point.

[_Aine_]

There are a few romances I personally wish were different, but they aren't game-breakers by any means.  I don't mind at all the way Bioware decided to do this.  It's a nice excuse to break out a new character for me.   If things need changed for valid, story related reasons, sure, but not just due to Fandering.  

[Erupit]

If things need changed for valid, story related reasons, sure, but not just due to Fandering.  

 

The Morrigan possibility opens up new doors, and just look at the implications involved with whom Hawke and the Hero of Ferelden chose as their respective mates in the previous games - this has become an immense and beautifully woven story. It feels like the Inquisitor (specifically a straight male one, imho) got the short end of the stick here. Ah, well. Josephine it is.

[Cantina]

I believe the original poster is missing the point to DAI romances.

 

In Origins there was some depth of who could romance who. In DA2 the developers took a huge step backwards on that front. It was a mess. Not to mention getting only specific information from someone if you chose to be this sex. Anders was a good example of this.

 

In DAI the developers took giant leaps forward making the options of who and if you choose to romance far more realistic and somewhat complex.

 

You say Cullen (as an example) should be open to both males and females. I disagree. It would go against Cullen’s character of who he is. Not to mention being only attracted too females human and elves gives him his own identity and credence to his past (if you played a female mage in DAO). Take away this from Cullen and it would be nothing more than an empty shell in the romance department.

 

We all have choices in the real world who we are and are not attracted too. I for one would find it odd if every signal person I encountered would have the same sexual preference.

 

People are who they are and choose to be what they want to be. They choose who they find attractive and who they do not. Taking this knowledge and putting it in the game gives the characters a far more realistic identity then those who are attracted to everything that moves.

 

I understand that there may be a character in the game you wish to romance by playing this particular sex. The same can be said in the real world. I for one found myself attracted to someone only to find out they were in fact gay. I did not try to change their mind on what they choose to be attracted to for the sake of my own selfish desires. I respected who they are and who they find attractive.

 

The only difference in this game is you, the player, can change the sex of your character to romance whomever you wish. But to go so far as to saying it is unfair, it is not. The choices are only unfair to you because you are not getting your way. Respect what the developers did with the characters in the game just as you would respect someone’s preference in real life.

 

 

 

[Teddie Sage]

The only thing wrong with this thread is that you speak for everyone. It's what you want, not what I want.

[Erupit]

You say Cullen (as an example) should be open to both males and females. I disagree. It would go against Cullen’s character of who he is. 

 

I apologize, I didn't notice this error. I thought Cullen was available as an option to either gender. Redacted.

 

The only thing wrong with this thread is that you speak for everyone. It's what you want, not what I want.

 

This thread is open to everyone, and you're welcome to add. I think this post adds to the already BioWare-defined frontier in this category.

[TheGreenLion]

I think the root of the matter is that some people find the options allowed for their character are not the ones they'd like, thus they want the possible choices expanded to characters they do like. 

 

Some people want more heterosexual choices, others more homosexual choices, different/more race choices, still more aren't bothered either way. I do like the fact that each character has 'their own' preference and their personality in dialogues hints at or straight up lays it out for the player. BioWare has a unique take on romance in their games which is awesome, but it still gets some people thinking about the possibilities.

[Teddie Sage]

This thread is open to everyone, and you're welcome to add. I think this post adds to the already BioWare-defined frontier in this category.

Still, I don't like it when people dare speaking in my name. Nothing personal.

[Erupit]

Respect what the developers did with the characters in the game just as you would respect someone’s preference in real life.

 

Creative license, I do respect that. Maybe I'm addicted to the web-like "choose your own adventure" theme BioWare also leads the industry in.

 

Maybe some fans of the prior games feel as I do. Some people felt the romances in DA2 weren't as deep as in DA:O, but that's ok - Morrigan, Leliana, Zevran, Alistair, etc. were a tough act to follow. Still, I really enjoyed the Merrill romance in DA2 - and I thought the others were underrated, actually. Fenris was a deep character, Isabella was central to the plot, and Sebastian was a nice touch.

[Ceoldoren]

Let's not make this unpleasant, I don't agree with OP's ideas. But for once he's presented them in a calm and polite fashion. Unlike most who share his opinion. 

[Erupit]

Still, I don't like it when people dare speaking in my name. Nothing personal.

 

Apologies. I meant "we" as in the "subjective we", or the group as experienced from within itself. In essence, fans of the Dragon Age series in general. I don't purport to be an authority, but I felt I could safely speak for those fans as a whole in saying that we expected more depth in the romance department in DA:I, not less. Not that the cut-scenes aren't well done from story, or writing, or cinematography perspectives, just that the options felt reduced.

[Mes]

 

 

Straight Male Options (Probably 60-70% of your player-base, but let's not go there):
 

 

Not this again. Where are you getting your figures? Dream-land?

 

I think the biggest thing that confuses me about people who think they're entitled to more romances because they are straight males (or what have you) is the lack of interest in playing as a different sex/orientation, just for fun.

 

I'm a straight female and usually do a playthrough as a straight female first and then a gay male the second time around. Hell I think Cassandra is the bomb so I'll likely do a playthrough as a straight male just for her at some point as well. 

[Efvie]

No thanks. I'd rather all aspects of the story, including the romances, be genuine and organic, and not just be slapped on to satisfy fan demand.

 

None of it is ‘genuine’ nor ‘organic’. They’re all fictional characters. They can be written in an infinite number of ways.

 

Argument fail. Next?

[GeorgeBlades]

What I want? Simple. Leliana.

[Morthasa]

Looks like you essentially want to go back to the all bi cast of DA2?

 

Which would suit me. I'm not at all bent out of shape about the way it's laid out in DAI (truth be told, it will probably encourage a wider range of eventual playthroughs) but the approach in DA2 was pretty good - perfect for that game, certainly.

 

Personally I really despised the DA2 approach, not because of the bi but because (with the exception of Isabella) none of the LI in the game gave any indication of actually being bi, they were simply Hawke-sexual. In this regard (at least IMO, others may have interpreted thing differently) their sexual orientation did not add to the characters, but just made them more of a series of blank slates which were attracted to "whatever your Hawke is". Whilst this allowed all playthroughs to have the LI of their choice the entire setup fell flat for me, especially when contrasted with games such as DAO or ME3 where everything was worked into the characters themselves and thus made them feel more fleshed out.

 

Just my two cents though.

[Efvie]

Not this again. Where are you getting your figures? Dream-land?

 

I think the biggest thing that confuses me about people who think they're entitled to more romances because they are straight males (or what have you) is the lack of interest in playing as a different sex/orientation, just for fun.

 

I'm a straight female and usually do a playthrough as a straight female first and then a gay male the second time around. Hell I think Cassandra is the bomb so I'll likely do a playthrough as a straight male just for her at some point as well. 

 

I appreciate that you like to do this.

 

I appreciate that you have the time to play through more than once or twice.

 

For other people, one or both of those isn’t true. And while I encourage people to RP more as different characters, I think the game should be made as inclusive as possible. That way you can play how you want, and I can play how I want and others can play how they want.
 

[Erupit]

Not this again. Where are you getting your figures? Dream-land?

 

This is fair. My statistics are based on assumptions and are therefore worth nothing - however if you want to get technical - if we assume 25% of the players to be female (this is, I think, a generous figure), and another 10% to be gay, this still falls directly within my estimates - which you could assume to have some degree of mathematical uncertainty if we actually performed the analytics.

[Efvie]

Personally I really despised the DA2 approach, not because of the bi but because (with the exception of Isabella) none of the LI in the game gave any indication of actually being bi, they were simply Hawke-sexual. In this regard (at least IMO, others may have interpreted thing differently) their sexual orientation did not add to the characters, but just made them more of a series of blank slates which were attracted to "whatever your Hawke is". Whilst this allowed all playthroughs to have the LI of their choice the entire setup fell flat for me, especially when contrasted with games such as DAO or ME3 where everything was worked into the characters themselves and thus made them feel more fleshed out.

 

Just my two cents though.

 

Yay, finally playersexual ≠ bisexual.

(Personally I don’t find it any less believable than them being attracted to any protagonist as long as they’re of the correct gender, but if that’s how you feel… Do you think, by the way, that you would’ve felt that blankness if it hadn’t been specifically discussed?)

[Efvie]

This is fair. My statistics are based on assumptions and are therefore worth nothing - however if you want to get technical - if we assume 25% of the players to be female (this is, I think, a generous figure), and another 10% to be gay, this still falls directly within my estimates - which you could assume to have some degree of mathematical uncertainty if we actually performed the analytics.

 

Hey, of the people I know who play DAI, 80% are female.

Anecdotal statistics are pretty useless

[Morthasa]

Yay, finally playersexual ≠ bisexual.

([...]Do you think, by the way, that you would’ve felt that blankness if it hadn’t been specifically discussed?)

 

I'm not sure I understand your question.

[Grieving Natashina]

Hey, of the people I know who play DAI, 80% are female.

Anecdotal statistics are pretty useless

I'll be happy to share the link, but David Gaider said that according to their telemetry, 30% of all players that played DA:O were female.  

[Erupit]

Anecdotal statistics are pretty useless

 

Lol. True. We could get down to Gamestop security cameras and the little "Gender" box on Origin accounts and such, but I'm not in this to prove that boys play more video games than girls. This isn't A) Social suicide nor B ) My grand thesis that women are better than men. I... think we can all admit that maybe... there are a lot of guys out there... between the ages of oh, hell, idk 14-45 that might play a lot of (ahem) video games (cough). Maybe. Allegedly, mind you.

[Mes]

I appreciate that you like to do this.

 

I appreciate that you have the time to play through more than once or twice.

 

For other people, one or both of those isn’t true. And while I encourage people to RP more as different characters, I think the game should be made as inclusive as possible. That way you can play how you want, and I can play how I want and others can play how they want.
 

 

Thank you for all the bolding. 

 

Was not my intention to step on any toes. 

[Efvie]

I'll be happy to share the link, but David Gaider said that according to their telemetry, 30% of all players that played DA:O were female.  

 

That’s probably not terribly far off, but their telemetry presumably relies solely on self-identification. And possibly market research.

[PGB01]

I can't sign under 'love', but yes I agree that non straight romances should be drastically limited in favour of straight ones.

I believe you're the troll that was banned from TES on-line and I claim my £5.