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[Ziegrif]

Eh.

He's alright.

[Lillian Sword-Maiden]

Without going into a full page of text, I love him. I went into Inquisition expecting to romance Cullen and use Dorian or Vivienne as my second mage, but then he started talking and.. yeah. I adore just about everything about him. Sure, he's made some horrible decisions that kind of almost destroyed the known world, but I'm willing to forgive him.

[WildOrchid]

Completely indifferent about him.

 

 

I didn't like his "elves are best" shtick of his and kept bugging Sera about elf this, elf that.

He kind of reminds me those ppl of "aryan race" attitude i dislike irl.

[LobselVith8]

Completely indifferent about him.

 

 

I didn't like his "elves are best" shtick of his and kept bugging Sera about elf this, elf that.

He kind of reminds me those ppl of "aryan race" attitude i dislike irl.

 

Solas never says that elves are the best, and I think Sera's "elfy" comments could be why he has an issue with her. I'd certainly take umbrage with someone if they said they hoped I wasn't too "Latino-y".

[droitdivin]

I so far made four Inquisitors, whom I generally always chose the dialogue options for which made sense for me personally. Those three playthroughs Solas hated my guts and subsequently was rude to me; so I responded the same way. We did not get along famously. 

 

The last one I actually tried to get some approval from him, and I warmed up a bit to him; but I still can't really connect to his way of thinking.

[WildOrchid]

Solas never says that elves are the best, and I think Sera's "elfy" comments could be why he has an issue with her. I'd certainly take umbrage with someone if they said they hoped I wasn't too "Latino-y".

 

Actually yes, he keeps talking to Sera about elf things and he brings it first like it's a crime to not want to be seen as "just elf". I know, i get Solas and Sera in my party quite often. They have nice banter, sometimes teasing but Solas does bother her with things she's not interested. Plus, talking to her with language she doesn't understand, nor has the desire to. I'd be pretty annoyed if someone spoke lets say chinese to me, if i had chinese roots but wasn't born there/nor know the language.

 

And Sera wants to be seen as a person, not as just elf. It's like how i want people to see me as a person and not as lesbian. (because believe me, i get that in my life quite often and it's frustrating)

 

If dalish elves weren't so obsessed with discriminating everyone and sees themselves as superior (ofc some aren't like this but Sera clearly has enountered enough dalish elves like this to form an opinion on them), she wouldn't even call someone like this. She has her own reasons.

 

 

I do not dislike Solas, as i've said I'm pretty indifferent about him. Though he does get annoying sometimes but that's ok. I don't have "murderous" fantasies like some people in this site.

 

And i know you'll disagree with me anyway, so let's just agree to disagree.

[Bigdoser]

My male dwarf upon solas vanishing act: SOLAS WHY DID YOU LEAVE! I LIKED YOUR STORIES. YOU WERE MY BRO/MENTOR D: 

 

Now he only has dagna to talk about crazy fade stuff. 

[LobselVith8]

Actually yes, he keeps talking to Sera about elf things and he brings it first like it's a crime to not want to be seen as "just elf". I know, i get Solas and Sera in my party quite often. They have nice banter, sometimes teasing but Solas does bother her with things she's not interested. Plus, talking to her with language she doesn't understand, nor has the desire to. I'd be pretty annoyed if someone spoke lets say chinese to me, if i had chinese roots but wasn't born there/nor know the language.

 

And Sera wants to be seen as a person, not as just elf. It's like how i want people to see me as a person and not as lesbian. (because believe me, i get that in my life quite often and it's frustrating)

 

Sera's first words to the elven Inquisitor is to express disdain over the fact that the main character is "elfy" upon seeing that the person is an elf. Sera is a close-minded person who displays some bigoted views about the elves; she's the kind of person who will break up with Lavellan if she won't suddenly abandon her religion for Sera. Maybe Solas hopes to show her another side to elven culture than the one she might have grown up with, but she's hardly an open-minded person to start with.

 

If dalish elves weren't so obsessed with discriminating everyone and sees themselves as superior (ofc some aren't like this but Sera clearly has enountered enough dalish elves like this to form an opinion on them), she wouldn't even call someone like this. She has her own reasons.

 

Like the clan who found an abandoned human baby, and raised her to be Aveline the Knight? Or Zathrian's clan, who rescued Aneirin when they came across him as a boy who was left for dead by the templars? Or Velanna's clan, who remark positively when they see Velanna in the company of humans? Or the Sabrae Clan, who take in Feynriel and protect him from the templars? Or Clan Lavellan, who rescue the humans of Wycome and refuse to leave because they won't abandon the city elves?

 

We don't know that Sera has encountered any Dalish (while we do know she jumps to conclusions with little information), and it's asinine for her to paint an entire ethnic group of people with the same brush.

[Solbranthius]

He's too elfy for my tastes

 

That may have something to do with the fact that he's an elf...

 

Which is a lot more interesting than the entire cast of playable characters all being humans.

[WildOrchid]

Sera's first words to the elven Inquisitor is to express disdain over the fact that the main character is "elfy" upon seeing that the person is an elf. Sera is a close-minded person who displays some bigoted views about the elves; she's the kind of person who will break up with Lavellan if she won't suddenly abandon her religion for Sera. Maybe Solas hopes to show her another side to elven culture than the one she might have grown up with, but she's hardly an open-minded person to start with.

 

Elves - meaning dalish elves. Not elves as a race but elves as the dalish and their culture. As i've said, she probably encountered mainly dalish elves with this attitude hence her reaction. If there were no reasons, then i don't see why Sera would call them "elfy" in first place just for the lols. She doesn't call the human - too human-y or qunari too qunari-y.

 

 

And Sera has her own reasons why she won't continue with a dalish elf. People already explained this in the sera thread, not touching that.

[berrieh]

I didn't like his "elves are best" shtick of his and kept bugging Sera about elf this, elf that.

He kind of reminds me those ppl of "aryan race" attitude i dislike irl.

 

This seems like a total misread of Solas and the Solas/Sera interactions. Solas doesn't even see the Dalish or City Elves as "like him" per se (not his people either, according to him, though not in a hostile way). He does have an appreciation for old Elvish things and the language, which he occasionally tries to share with Sera (I only remember one time, really, where he tried to see if her ear had the rhythm for the old Elven language, and she was a dick about it - and I like Sera, but she was a jerk in that banter, saying anything not in the common human tongue wasn't "real words"). Solas is totally not Aryan race about elves (Dalish or City). He actually prefers the company of spirits to people, of any kind, and he's not "Spirit Race" about that either. 

 

But maybe I missed some other banters? The only other ones where he tells Sera Elven after the one where she is clearly not interested are when she literally goes out of her way to ask about it and then be a dick about it. I actually do like Sera, and I can find Solas imperfect in ways, but in the Sera/Solas thing, I don't see how he's to blame. When he first does it, in one banter, he is trying to "share" something with her and find some common ground based on their racial heritage. He doesn't even lecture her about being a "bad elf" or anything. He just seems genuinely bummed that she is so hostile about it, as though he truly wanted to connect with her. 

 

Sera not wanting to be elfy is fine, but so is Solas wanting to connect with her. 

[LobselVith8]

Elves - meaning dalish elves. Not elves as a race but elves as the dalish and their culture. As i've said, she probably encountered mainly dalish elves with this attitude hence her reaction. If there were no reasons, then i don't see why Sera would call them "elfy" in first place just for the lols. She doesn't call the human - too human-y or qunari too qunari-y.

 

Considering she also disapproves of Briala while knowing next to nothing about her (while supporting Gaspard despite his racist slurs against Briala), and dislikes giving the Orlesian elves an elven ruler who will improve their lives and give them rights, I doubt it's simply an issue with the Dalish.

 

And Sera has her own reasons why she won't continue with a dalish elf. People already explained this in the sera thread, not touching that.

 

It's because Lavellan won't surrender her religion when Sera throws a tantrum and demands that she give it up, or else the relationship is over. This is the kind of person Solas is trying to reach out to. Perhaps he's wrong to do so, but I don't see him as a bad guy for trying to show her a positive side to elven culture.

[WildOrchid]

This seems like a total misread of Solas and the Solas/Sera interactions. Solas doesn't even see the Dalish or City Elves as "like him" per se. He does have an appreciation for old Elvish things and the language, which he occasionally tries to share with Sera (I only remember one time, really, where he tried to see if her ear had the rhythm for the old Elven language, and she was a dick about it - and I like Sera, but she was a jerk in that banter, saying anything not in the common human tongue wasn't "real words"). Solas is totally not Aryan race about elves (Dalish or City). He actually prefers the company of spirits to people, of any kind, and he's not "Spirit Race" about that either.

 

She has no interest in hearing him about elf things and yes she does come off as rude but that's Sera. She uses a rather rude and blunt "language". It's like hearing things you aren't interested about but the person keeps bugging you, this is how Sera feels in their banter most of times.

But they do have some cute dialogues.

 

By "real words" she means words she understands. The words your inquisitor and other companions use..

 

Besides Vivienne and Solas banter a lot in rude manner (hilarious i gotta say) so yeah.... Sera just uses vulgar words.

[teh DRUMPf!!]

 I respect his knowledge and experience, but think his views are crazy.

 

 

Sadly, this is a prime example of where approval system made for a lesser experience. Solas would have been an excellent "rival" to my character, but since we're back to the Origins system, his approval never went anywhere solid with me and thus the no special interaction.

[Solbranthius]

She has no interest in hearing him about elf things and yes she does come off as rude but that's Sera. She uses a rather rude and blunt "language". It's like hearing things you aren't interested about but the person keeps bugging you, this is how Sera feels in their banter most of times.

But they do have some cute dialogues.

 

By "real words" she means words she understands. The words your inquisitor and other companions use..

 

Besides Vivienne and Solas banter a lot in rude manner (hilarious i gotta say) so yeah.... Sera just uses vulgar words.

 

She's not just rude, she's pretty self-sabotaging and never learns from her mistakes. I expected her to 'grow' during the course of the game and yet she remained a  one trick pony. If people like her for that, fair enough - but let's not pretend as if there's immense amounts of hidden depth to her character.

[WildOrchid]

She's not just rude, she's pretty self-sabotaging and never learns from her mistakes. I expected her to 'grow' during the course of the game and yet she remained a  one trick pony. If people like her for that, fair enough - but let's not pretend as if there's immense amounts of hidden depth to her character.

 

I completely disagree about the latter. But that's ok.

[berrieh]

She has no interest in hearing him about elf things and yes she does come off as rude but that's Sera. She uses a rather rude and blunt "language". It's like hearing things you aren't interested about but the person keeps bugging you, this is how Sera feels in their banter most of times.

But they do have some cute dialogues.

 

By "real words" she means words she understands. The words your inquisitor and other companions use..

 

Besides Vivienne and Solas banter a lot in rude manner (hilarious i gotta say) so yeah.... Sera just uses vulgar words.

 

But he doesn't keep bugging her is my point. He says it once. She never even mentions he says anything over and over, as though it's happening offscreen, so I'm not sure where you get the impression. Maybe from her tone, but she has no basis to feel he "keeps" bringing it up - in fact, it seems, based on the whole story, she's simply fed up with him for being elfy. Maybe someone harped on her about being an elf, long before this story, in her past, and it's simple transference (my guess). Then she brings up elvish things to ****** about them or taunt him about how she doesn't care. Unless you're referring to banters I haven't heard -entirely possible. 

 

Viv is often a dick in her banter, too (less vulgar, but equally dickish, as are Dorian - to Sera - and Blackwall - to Viv), but Sera is hostile to Solas likely because he's an elf, whereas he is actually quite understanding and forgiving of her. He doesn't say anything mean about her as far as I heard. He just kind of sighs at her when she goes out of her way to be offensive to him. 

 

I understand what she means by "real words" but it's still an ignorant thing to say. Clearly, Solas understands the words he's using and other people would too. She also doesn't take such offensive when Iron Bull uses Qunari words. It's clearly an elf bias. Besides, all languages have real words, and any idiot can realize that - she knows that. She literally says it to be a dick to Solas. 

 

I haven't heard Solas be really rude to anyone in his banter, certainly not Sera. He's a little bit closed-minded about the Qun, but he's still respectful to Iron Bull. Dorian is rude to Sera. Viv is rude back to Sera (Sera gives as well as she gets in these exchanges and started it in my game, but so did Blackwall, and apparently Viv starts in on Blackwall first in some people's games). I have never seen Solas be openly and willfully rude to Sera or attempt to hurt her feelings in any way. 

[Dabrikishaw]

Like him a lot.

[Solbranthius]

Completely indifferent about him.

 

 

I didn't like his "elves are best" shtick of his and kept bugging Sera about elf this, elf that.

He kind of reminds me those ppl of "aryan race" attitude i dislike irl.

 

I find it refreshing. It's much more interesting for a non-human race to take pride in their culture, race and history instead of it simply being limited to humans doing it in almost every setting. I'd like it more if the elves in Dragon Age were taller, more aesthetically pleasing and a genuine force to be reckoned with.

 

I find him to be a lot more tolerable than Sera, at any rate. Her character concept sums up everything I loathe about 'humans-with-long-ears'.

[Precursor Meta]

Solas fooled me. For that I hate him. But I admire his knowledge of elven culture. I'm just a little nervous as to what it means for the other races of Thedas.

[Maniccc]

I do not like Solas.  He is judgmental and condescending and an elitist.  His banter is massively boring, and anyway, it's his fault the rift happens in the first place.

[LaughingBanana]

That one time Solas swore in Elven because of what Sera said in a banter surprised me.

 

I got it in the Storm Coast: Solas said something to the effect of "Elven people used to be here" and then Sera said something to the effect of "Yes be careful of stepping on dead elves." and then he swore and then she said "oooh he felt it."

 

It's funny in a way, but damn Sera was being incredibly brutal at it.

 

Anyways,

 

Solas. He's cool. All the events of the game was the result of his own doing, but he's trying to own up to it, so he's alright. Not always someone that I'd agree with, obviously, but he's alright.

[Sharn01]

Elves - meaning dalish elves. Not elves as a race but elves as the dalish and their culture. As i've said, she probably encountered mainly dalish elves with this attitude hence her reaction. If there were no reasons, then i don't see why Sera would call them "elfy" in first place just for the lols. She doesn't call the human - too human-y or qunari too qunari-y.

 

 

And Sera has her own reasons why she won't continue with a dalish elf. People already explained this in the sera thread, not touching that.

 

 

If you play a mage she has a banter where she says she had never met a mage prior to joining the inquisition, and that how she views mages is based on the common belief shared by Andrastian people living in the big city.  If I was betting on it I would wager that her views of the Dalish are based on the same beliefs, and that its unlikely she has ever encountered a Dalish elf before, and most certainly has not encountered many of them.

 

Sera's beliefs in just about everything seem to be based on what an average city dwelling andrastian believes, along with those established beliefs being rigid and inflexible no matter how often or how logically they are challenged.

 

As far as the subject of the thread though, I like Solas a lot, now if I could just take a week off work and finish the game, I cant avoid the forums it seems and have been spoiled on quite a few things.

[berrieh]

After thinking about the Sera/Solas banter in this thread and what I said above, I looked back at some other Solas dialogue. It's funny how often other characters in-game assume he is going to be a dick and he says something nice (he does compliment a lot of companions in some banter) instead. I actually can think of precious few times Solas is NOT being nice to people and even when he disagrees with someone, like Iron Bull on the Qun, he is usually fairly polite.