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[SamanthaJ]

On the Solas/Sera dialogue thing, I don't see either one being more right or wrong than the other and neither are outright terrible to each other. I went and listened to it earlier and Solas does bring the elf thing up more than once (about three/four times). Mostly Solas is just trying to bring out some of the magical elfy qualities he thinks she has while Sera rightfully brushes him off (even if I don't think he's being terribly rude about it). Mostly he's just acting like a naggy teacher/elder and she's just a bored student/youngster. They act this way in non-elfy dialogue too when he tries to give her tips on how to rebel.

 

Personally I'd be annoyed on either end of the spectrum.

 

"Why won't this impertinent child consider what I'm saying?"

 

"Why won't this old fart just blow down wind."

[o Ventus]

He's a pretty cool guy and doesn't afraid of anything

[CronoDragoon]

If you play a mage she has a banter where she says she had never met a mage prior to joining the inquisition, and that how she views mages is based on the common belief shared by Andrastian people living in the big city.  If I was betting on it I would wager that her views of the Dalish are based on the same beliefs, and that its unlikely she has ever encountered a Dalish elf before, and most certainly has not encountered many of them.

 

Sera's beliefs in just about everything seem to be based on what an average city dwelling andrastian believes, along with those established beliefs being rigid and inflexible no matter how often or how logically they are challenged.

 

Lukas has said as much himself about Sera bringing a special sort of naivete, since she's never had her beliefs challenged in a meaningful way before. I'm not sure she's rigid and inflexible, though.

 

Whether or not I like him, I think Solas is a fantastic character. It helps that I actually really do like him, of course.

[berrieh]

Personally I'd be annoyed on either end of the spectrum.

 

"Why won't this impertinent child consider what I'm saying?"

 

"Why won't this old fart just blow down wind."

 

Are these actual quotes? (Sorry if stupid question - I haven't seen anything like this.) 

 

Though I guess as I deal with it most days IRL (MS teacher), I'm more on the Solas end of the spectrum (especially if it's "consider" what I'm saying - shouldn't everyone basically consider what is said to them, especially by their elders? Disagree if you want, but consider it first). 

 

I don't mind Sera or her refusal of him though. That's her character. And I accept her as she is and can find good things about her. (So can Solas, I bet, if pressed.) And the banter is damn funny either way. 

[SamanthaJ]

Are these actual quotes? (Sorry if stupid question - I haven't seen anything like this.) 

 

Though I guess as I deal with it most days IRL (MS teacher), I'm more on the Solas end of the spectrum (especially if it's "consider" what I'm saying - shouldn't everyone basically consider what is said to them, especially by their elders? Disagree if you want, but consider it first). 

 

I don't mind Sera or her refusal of him though. That's her character. And I accept her as she is and can find good things about her. (So can Solas, I bet, if pressed.) And the banter is damn funny either way. 

Haha, no. Those aren't quotes, just me trying to were their shoes or lack thereof in Solas's case. When he isn't wearing Grey Warden Battlemage Armor, at least.

[Vilegrim]

I'm surprised by how many actually like Solas. If I have to listen to anymore of his whinging about about how great the elves use to be, I'm getting my inquisitor to punch him again. It's amazing how someone who is suppose to be so smart and wise of both the world and the fade manages to to screw up at every possible turn.

He sealed away the elven gods and the "forgotten ones" for whatever reason, (I personally doubt that it was for solely noble reasons) and the elves nearly wiped themselves out by the wars it caused. He awakens and tries to use the orb (I'm guessing to free the other gods), but can't, so his brilliant idea is to give the orb to Corypheus, who then uses the orb to punch a hole through reality to try to get the to the black city again. Even after these royal **** ups, he still feels that he's to important to be killed for his actions. "I should pay the price, but the People, they need me.", do the elves really need you Solas, you seem to be the problem.

I think the dialog between Sera and Solas, if Sera romances Lavellan sums up Solas pretty well

Solas: I'm not surprise you were drawn to the inquisitor, Sera.
Sera: Why, you fancy her to?
Solas: I meant that it would seem natural that you would desire another elf.
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Sera: My point is is that I'm with her because she's her, not because she's elfy
Solas: Do you dislike your own kind so much

Solas is nothing more than a racist, wrapped in a supremacist, wrapped in a moron.

Wait..punch him *again* you mean we can punch him in the first place? We got this guy instead of our usual token evil team mate (which BW usually do so well) and I can't make my self talk to him, he's just a ice cream koan spouting nothing to me.

[Jeremy Ray]

I like his character but can't think of him as responsible really, even pre-ending knowledge. I go back to recalling another Mage that was too friendly with spirits, Anders, and we see what that led us too. So far Wynne seems to be the only Mage that has had a so far positive outcome with a spirit encounter. (DLC cameo needed perhaps for spirit reference?)

Spirits/Demons just don't belong in Modern Thedas. And Solas is trying to bring that back and merge those worlds from his viewpoints. And more so post ending you see this was all orchestrated by him for power needed to do so.

I feel that he is somewhat of an Anders type character, but on an Arch-Villain level. While his heart may be in the right place and a lot of his intentions and interactions are good, his goal and wants that deal with spirits and demons will tear Thedas apart and create more mayhem then the Mage/Templar war.

[Lucrece]

I thought he was a filthy hypocrite. All about forcing Cole to forgive to keep his spirithood, but when Sola's spirit friend was destroyed he disapproves if you don't let him murder the mages.

[SamanthaJ]

I thought he was a filthy hypocrite. All about forcing Cole to forgive to keep his spirithood, but when Sola's spirit friend was destroyed he disapproves if you don't let him murder the mages.

No. Solas wanted to preserve Cole's nature as a spirit of compassion. He believed that allowing Cole to kill that man could twist his nature. It had little to do with forgiveness for the sake of forgiveness.

[fliplife]

I hope this guy has a DLC I want to knoe his real back story.

[berrieh]

Wait..punch him *again* you mean we can punch him in the first place? We got this guy instead of our usual token evil team mate (which BW usually do so well) and I can't make my self talk to him, he's just a ice cream koan spouting nothing to me.

 

Token evil teammate? I get that you have the choice of Loghain in DAO and maybe you could spin Morrigan as evil on a stretch, but who is evil in DA2? Isabella? If so, Sera is fairly close to her. I guess Solas replaces Anders, if he's our token evil teammate, but I think calling Anders evil misses the point of Anders. 

[Zombie_Alexis]

Solas is my new favorite Dragon Age character. And he has some stiff competition.

[Shari'El]

He is one of the best written character I've encountered in a video game.

If you don't interact with him he kind of disappears to the background, he is very quiet, but I found him to be a fascinating character, and that was even before I created a female elf for him. I've become fast friends with him on my fem!Dwarf PT and got heartbroken when he left, he is burdened by all of the mistakes he did, it's quite obvious, so I can't hate him for what he did. He tries to fix things but he breaks them even further, it's rather tragic in my opinion.

His romance is the best I've come across in video games (and I've even played a fair share of otome games /cough)  even if it's lacking in content, I reallllllly want a DLC with him :|

[Shari'El]

I can sum it up in one sentence:

 

He makes me want to be an elf.

 

Seriously, there's something about him that I find both calming and irresistible. I love listening to his stories, he comes off as possibly the most intelligent of my companions, and he's a freaking badass (he single-handedly killed a dragon while Blackwall had his hand in his pants, my rogue was laying dead near the dragon, and Vivienne chose to run laps around the place). The man is like silk-encased steel. The videos of him did not do him justice, because I was like "blech!" before I played the game.

 

The only reason I may not romance him (and may never play an elf, because I know I wouldn't be able to resist) is the fact that I know the romance has a horribly sad ending. I don't like sad.

 

Ran out of likes, but like.

[Felya87]

I really love Solas's character. First time, I think, we get such an acculturated character, not to mention LI. And he is a painter. that's already a big point in my book.

He is like an elven encyclopedia, I love take him away in every place I go to.

His humor is more subtle than most of the other characters, but endearing.

 

Is not a flashy character, and I absolutely love it.

 

I just need a Wolf Hunt DLC, and he is my most loved romance ever.

[ev76]

A villain? How so?

One more thing I think about Solas, dude plays a mean game of chess:

All time favorite banter! That was so cool.

[Bayonet Hipshot]

Solas is a Scholarly God who is trying to fix the mistakes he made. 

 

What do I think of him ? I like him as a character very much. He is my favorite character in Dragon Age so far, barring Morrigan. 

[convergecultist3]

One of my favorite companions, I'm intrigued to learn more about him, his past, and his future.

[mackan__s]

Let him come and taste my sword  that sneaky bastard

[mindoirs]

He became my favorite male video game character ever. Favorite video game character overall, extremely likely.

I've gotten attached to a lot of characters throughout all of the years that I've played video games but I don't think I've gotten as absurdly attached to one as I have with him. I had settled on him being my romance way long before his character details were even released (I'm into elves...) and I was always waiting for information on him. Because of the strong demeanor of the previous male elves, I was interested in how things would play out with this more calm and reserved character.

 

Without romance bias, he's just so fascinating. It is rare for a character in a video game to truly change your perceptions and ideologies like he does, especially in a heavy lore-centric series like Dragon Age. It was to the point that I stood for 10 minutes debating whether to make Cole more human or more spirit, solely because of the things that he taught me and our conversations that slowly but surely began to alter my perceptions. I had leaned heavily towards human especially after reading Asunder and yet this one character came in and not only changed my ideas but also reassured some of my previous ones. He just feels so alive. He is also a bit of a paradox, for he's simultaneously open minded yet judgmental; something that I enjoyed watching play out. He's like a blue flame, quiet and cool but burning with passion. I related to his flaws and character overall and I have a deep appreciation for how complex and multifaceted he is. I knew he was the Dread Wolf before the game came out because I had seen a screenshot of his second tarot card, and that identity and revelation adds an infinite amount of layers to his character. Who really is the Dread Wolf? What are his real motives? Is he a trickster, or a rebel? Why did he truly do what he did? Are the ancient gods actual gods or just revered elves who had magical talent? What did he truly do to Mythal at the end? What will he do now that the orb is broken? How does he plan to fix his mistakes? We all have our own theories and speculations, some with plenty of evidence, but we don't know the answers to these questions for sure.

 

The fact that there's a diversion in interpretations to his character proves he's one of the more divisive characters we've had in the series. There's no unanimous agreement on whether he's a trickster or a rebel, if he's an evil cunning manipulator or someone who is trying to fix all of the mistakes that he has done, or what instances he was lying and what instances he was being genuine. It's very full of shades of grey, kind of like the DA universe overall. He has his flaws and they can't be denied, but they make me love his character all the more. He is a man of cynicism, but also of pain, loneliness, regret, knowledge, compassion, justice, selfishness, pride, and a desire to make things right.

 

With my never-ending bias, his romance added so much more to his character. Romancing him is a treat, but I'd say there's something really special about romancing him on your first playthrough, because it really shapes how you view the game and the world inside of it. You never get as invested as in your very first playthrough, and doing his romance on my first led me to have a completely different view on the game from some. It had the least content, but it was full of depth and meaning. It brought to light the person under the mask, his true inner conflicts and turmoils. It conveyed the gravity of his guilt at what he has done, leading me to be unable to view him as an evil cunning mastermind, but more as someone filled with regret from the chain of mistakes he committed that were born from a mixture of pride and defiance. There's many things that are uncertain, but the one thing that I believe is undoubtedly true is that he loved my Lavellan. I accepted his reasons for leaving in spite of the pain, and I've never become so invested in a character or romance like I have with him. I'm doing my own things as the days pass by, but Solas is always on my mind and every day I think about how much I can't wait for what is in store for him in the DLC/perhaps the next game. I know it's definitely not the last we'll see of him, and my mind is going crazy with the possibilities and theories, and I can barely keep myself from jumping in anticipation as I await the DLC announcements.

 

 

I kind of just vomited my Solas feelings on here, woops. Props if you read all that.

[jellobell]

If you don't interact with him he kind of disappears to the background

Yeah, a lot of my friends didn't really think anything about Solas because they didn't bring him with them or talk to him a ton. And the guy doesn't give you a lot to work with unless you really go out of your way to talk to him. Which makes sense. He's trying hard not to put people off, because he needs to stay with the Inquisition both to get the orb back and to make things right again. Because all of the stuff with the breach and Corypheus is ultimately his fault, and he knows it. I think that's where a lot of his calm, very controlled attitude comes from. He's trying to be the person you can go to for advice, but who doesn't make you feel like you need to be there for him. The only time this mask cracks a bit (other than when you're doing his romance) is his personal quest, and that's because one of his only friends left is in trouble.

 

The tragic thing about Solas is that, despite all of his mistakes, he's always been trying to do the right thing for the right reasons. He gave up his home, his family, and his whole world for the hope that he could make a better one. And when he finally woke up, he saw that the world he'd created was worse than before. He's a bitter, cynical idealist, who's been constantly kicked around and yet keeps getting up in the morning. Because even under all of those layers of pain and resentment he still has that bleeding heart. He still feels compassion for the enslaved and the marginalized, so much so that he'll always argue passionately for the right of the individual to choose their own path. And if he respects the Inquisitor, then he sees someone using the power he accidentally gave them to change things, and actually succeed.

 

If you want some extra insight into Solas I'd highly recommend reading this blog post where a bunch of the DA writers talked about what music they listened to while writing. Patrick Weekes talks about how he came up with Solas's characteristic rhythm.

 

 

So I took k.d. lang’s cover of “Hallelujah”, and I wrote key scenes to that single song on loop.

If you follow that link and look at some of Solas’s lines, you may notice a familiar rhythm come out. It would have been forcing it to give lines the same rhyme scheme, but giving the words the meter captured some of that wistfulness and made Solas sound ever so slightly otherworldly.

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(In the rare cases the player got into the same rhythm, there was always an approval bump from Solas. For that brief period, it was like the player was thinking like he did.)

That last bit just blew my mind, because I had noticed that synergy between Solas and my character, even though I didn't know why. And it just reinforces the tragedy of the character. A lonely god whose greatest fear is to have lived and died with nobody who truly understands him.

[Sasie]

Solas doesn't seem to think of himself or the other elven deities as gods but he still have the confidence of a real god I would say. Unlike Corypheus he doesn't feel the need to show off but is content to remain in the background. I might been reading too much into it but I find it curious he say no true god would feel the need to act like Corypheus does. It makes me wonder how much there is to him that he never shares, even if I think Solas was honest in his romance there is probably a lot more then being the dread wolf that he hides from everyone, including the Inquisitor.

 

I always get the feeling that the few bits and pieces we get are the topics he reveals are just the tip of the iceberg and probably just the things he feel safe about discussing. I wish the Inquisitor/Solas could have had a proper good bye where he might have been more honest about why he feel he can't get involved or get some hint of what comes next. Still in the end he is the best Bioware romance done in years and I hope they won't leave it like this. I for one want a lot more.

[stonerbishop]

He's too elfy for my tastes

Sera greatly approves
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