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[Bayonet Hipshot]

Solas = Intellectually benign Loki....

 

I said it in the Solas thread once and I will say it again :- Someone needs to draw that Elf wearing Loki's costume. Now that would be true Elven Glory. 

[MisterJB]

Speaking of Solas, after the endgame, there's this elf in Val Royeaux that says a woman named "Mythal" appears in his dreams.

Solas or Flemeth is communicating with the elves? For what reason?

[katokires]

Solas = Perfection Incarnate

The most awesomme character ever

Should be romance option for everyone including Nugs and Sandals and Battle Nugs and whatever, everybody deserves Solas in their lives, not even Adolf is evil enough to be without Solas, Solas is the very air we breathe, is the sparkle of life, the mesh of reality and the power of imagination. Solas is Solas.

[NugHugs]

His voice irks me. So does his arrogant tone.

[Stelae]

"It looks awful, but it works".

On a serious note, he was not charismatic enough (in appearance, voice acting, behavior and banters) to play such a role. May be it's a cliche-talk but I don't like a boring dusty clerk to represent a god. Even Superman in his RL incarnation looked more adventurous and interesting.

Supes is no great shakes when he's being Clark Kent; in fact, he pushes the Bumbling Idiot button a lot more than he needs to.  I mean, meek and unassuming is one thing, but Clark is a full-on dork, almost to the point of being suspicious ...  

 

Solas is one of the more interesting trickster gods; he's more like Prometheus than Loki.  He thought he was giving people a boon (freedom, like fire, and just as destructive, as it turns out), and he inadvertently started Ragnorok.  Twice.  Once for the elves, and once for the Inquisition.  After the Epilogue I just wanted to sit him down and say "Hey - do the world a favour and Stop.  Helping."

[NaclynE]

He defenetly has a alterior agenda. I think he intends to use the Inquisition as a tool for somthing. What that is I don't know or trust him. Sure I am currently playing a mage that is heavily befriending him but still some of the discussions do turn to odd things that make me wonder on why he does certain things.

 

On my first playthrough: he hated me siding with the templars and having the grey Wardens join to redeem themselves. I lost it big time. I punched him in the face.

[Amirit]

Supes is no great shakes when he's being Clark Kent; in fact, he pushes the Bumbling Idiot button a lot more than he needs to.  I mean, meek and unassuming is one thing, but Clark is a full-on dork, almost to the point of being suspicious ...  

 

Solas is one of the more interesting trickster gods; he's more like Prometheus than Loki.  He thought he was giving people a boon (freedom, like fire, and just as destructive, as it turns out), and he inadvertently started Ragnorok.  Twice.  Once for the elves, and once for the Inquisition.  After the Epilogue I just wanted to sit him down and say "Hey - do the world a favour and Stop.  Helping."

 

He is supposed to be the more interesting trickster god. But what would it be? Can you name any defining quality of his? He is unattractive - mind you not ugly (that still can be interesting, just look at IB) but simply unattractive like a wet carton - plane boring uninspiring to look at. He is almost unemotional even when "passionate" (remember Anders or Fenris?). He is not "cool" in any form you can think of. Dirty old hag Flemeth in DAO had this sense of importance around her, Solas does not. No mysticism, no power - no nothing! And yet he is a compassionate god, extremely smart, active, very daring and easily getting trust (all gods trusted him).

They tried to cover it with some banters (like with IB about "they never saw you coming"). And - yes - this is a wolf's trade to attack without warning.  But there is absolutely nothing "wolfy" in him. Any activity from him as unexpected as from a dusty clerk (I can not think of another analogy).

 

I feel like I was supposed to watch classical James Bond and instead of Sean Connery got ... I do not even know who to name, some actor always playing a background characters in some boring offices.    

[Stelae]

He is supposed to be the more interesting trickster god. But what would it be? Can you name any defining quality of his? He is unattractive - mind you not ugly (that still can be interesting, just look at IB) but simply unattractive like a wet carton - plane boring uninspiring to look at. He is almost unemotional even when "passionate" (remember Anders or Fenris?). He is not "cool" in any form you can think of. Dirty old hag Flemeth in DAO had this sense of importance around her, Solas does not. No mysticism, no power - no nothing! And yet he is a compassionate god, extremely smart, active, very daring and easily getting trust (all gods trusted him).

They tried to cover it with some banters (like with IB about "they never saw you coming"). And - yes - this is a wolf's trade to attack without warning.  But there is absolutely nothing "wolfy" in him. Any activity from him as unexpected as from a dusty clerk (I can not think of another analogy).

 

I feel like I was supposed to watch classical James Bond and instead of Sean Connery got ... I do not even know who to name, some actor always playing a background characters in some boring offices.    

 

One of his major schticks is "Gods who have to prove themselves are naff."  So of course he's not going to look like a god or be flashy.  Gods who do that are penny-ante compared to actual powerful gods.  His defining characteristic is his intellect, but he's yet to learn that being the smartest person in the room doesn't mean every decision you make is a good one. In fact, being intelligent and powerful means that when you make a mistake, it tends to be a doozy. 

 

Flemeth in DAO was the same - she didn't have to posture and show off.  She was a plain old woman living in a bog, even though she was arguably the most powerful person at Ostagar.  And she didn't want Merrill to bow to her in DA2, because Merrill didn't know who she was bowing to.  (Not, please note, that Merrill had no reason to bow to her, but Flemeth wasn't ready for the Big Reveal).  The real powers aren't James Bond, or even Q.  They are the third clerk on the left, with the wobbly chair and the CRT monitor.

 

Solas doesn't need to be cool, or suave, or attractive by any mortal measure, because he's operating on a whole nother level.  He doesn't need to be feted, or even approved of, because his power (and his mistakes) are so out of the mortal realm, our opinion of him is like a flea having a strong opinion on the appearance of the dog it lives on. 

[Trickshaw]

Solas is probably one of the best characters that Bioware has produced to date.  He and Mordin Solus (name similarity coincidence? Hmmm...) are easily 2 of my top 3 favorite characters.

 

#1 being Minsc (and Boo) of course.

[Aravasia]

He is supposed to be the more interesting trickster god. But what would it be? Can you name any defining quality of his? He is unattractive - mind you not ugly (that still can be interesting, just look at IB) but simply unattractive like a wet carton - plane boring uninspiring to look at. He is almost unemotional even when "passionate" (remember Anders or Fenris?). He is not "cool" in any form you can think of. Dirty old hag Flemeth in DAO had this sense of importance around her, Solas does not. No mysticism, no power - no nothing! And yet he is a compassionate god, extremely smart, active, very daring and easily getting trust (all gods trusted him).

They tried to cover it with some banters (like with IB about "they never saw you coming"). And - yes - this is a wolf's trade to attack without warning.  But there is absolutely nothing "wolfy" in him. Any activity from him as unexpected as from a dusty clerk (I can not think of another analogy).

 

I feel like I was supposed to watch classical James Bond and instead of Sean Connery got ... I do not even know who to name, some actor always playing a background characters in some boring offices.    

I believe the fact that he's so unassuming is kind of the point, most of his true personality has to be seen between the lines. The best tricksters don't come out in flashy clothing and attitude and say 'hey look at me!'

 

Solas is probably my favorite Dragon Age character to date, right along side Morrigan. 

[Amirit]

One of his major schticks is "Gods who have to prove themselves are naff."  So of course he's not going to look like a god or be flashy.  Gods who do that are penny-ante compared to actual powerful gods.  His defining characteristic is his intellect, but he's yet to learn that being the smartest person in the room doesn't mean every decision you make is a good one. In fact, being intelligent and powerful means that when you make a mistake, it tends to be a doozy. 

 

Flemeth in DAO was the same - she didn't have to posture and show off.  She was a plain old woman living in a bog, even though she was arguably the most powerful person at Ostagar.  And she didn't want Merrill to bow to her in DA2, because Merrill didn't know who she was bowing to.  (Not, please note, that Merrill had no reason to bow to her, but Flemeth wasn't ready for the Big Reveal).  The real powers aren't James Bond, or even Q.  They are the third clerk on the left, with the wobbly chair and the CRT monitor.

 

Solas doesn't need to be cool, or suave, or attractive by any mortal measure, because he's operating on a whole nother level.  He doesn't need to be feted, or even approved of, because his power (and his mistakes) are so out of the mortal realm, our opinion of him is like a flea having a strong opinion on the appearance of the dog it lives on. 

 

I understand what you are saying (I really do!) and totally agree with you that in real life spies (gods in our real history is another matter) look more like ... damn... Putin? than like Sean Connery. It's part of the job. And you say for Solas - it's part of greatness that place him above simple mortal petty things like looking cool. Got it.

 

But the thing is, it's not life, it's a game. There HAS to be an exaggeration of some quality. Flemeth was NOT "a plain old woman" - they way she talked made you forget right away how she looked. It was like a bold statement "attention - an important character here". Not Solases case. He remains "the third clerk on the left" all the way from start to finish. Again, in movies (an theater, and in the books - anywhere actually) at least reveal has to be stronger. I can remember some titles with the same trick (from that clerk to the puppet master or something as important) - that has to be a dramatic moment that makes you to look at the character differently (not to mention hints on the way that should keep you remembering the character, something special about him). But all I get here from Solas is the desire to make him as different as possible from Fenris and Felassan. It sure worked. And the role of that "the third clerk on the left" was played to the end. But for me he could appear right at the final battle for the first time and  it would change nothing about the way I see him because our "journey" was as forgettable. 

 

For the character total absence of charisma as dangerous as for the actor.  I am not asking for Varric-2, but it should not be either - "oh, what was his name? You know, an elf, I think, at the end he did something with Flemeth".

[berrieh]

 

He is supposed to be the more interesting trickster god. But what would it be? Can you name any defining quality of his?

 

 

[snip]

 

But there is absolutely nothing "wolfy" in him. Any activity from him as unexpected as from a dusty clerk (I can not think of another analogy).

 

I don't think Solas is bland looking (he is striking, he stands out, though certainly not handsome) and I think he is very much the "spirit" of the Wolf in the way he always stands his ground, his high intelligence, the loner qualities he portrays, the viciousness he portrays when given cause (his personal quest). 

 

In dreams/spirit animal terms, a wolf represents high intelligence, a deep desire for freedom, strong connection with spirit, and communication. Are those not the traits Solas best represents? He seems very "wolfy" to me. But it depends upon if you see the Western idea of the "Big Bad Wolf" or other Wolf legends, like those of the Native Americans or Eastern tales. I think that is the irony of his God - the Dalish even see him as the Big Bad Wolf, but he is not. He is something else entirely. They do not know any better. It's funny.

 

As to charisma, I think Solas has it in spades. When he talks, I listen. That's charisma. He's not handsome, no (to my taste), but he is passionate, intense, strong to his convictions, and very charismatic in a powerful, intense, quiet way. Quiet charisma is almost more powerful. He has a sense of gravitas. 

 

So, what they were selling seems to have worked on me. Apparently, it didn't work on you. Happens. 

[Amirit]

 

 

 

 

I don't think Solas is bland looking (he is striking, he stands out, though certainly not handsome) and I think he is very much the "spirit" of the Wolf in the way he always stands his ground, his high intelligence, the loner qualities he portrays, the viciousness he portrays when given cause (his personal quest). 

 

In dreams/spirit animal terms, a wolf represents high intelligence, a deep desire for freedom, strong connection with spirit, and communication. Are those not the traits Solas best represents? He seems very "wolfy" to me. But it depends upon if you see the Western idea of the "Big Bad Wolf" or other Wolf legends, like those of the Native Americans or Eastern tales. I think that is the irony of his God - the Dalish even see him as the Big Bad Wolf, but he is not. He is something else entirely. They do not know any better. It's funny.

 

As to charisma, I think Solas has it in spades. When he talks, I listen. That's charisma. He's not handsome, no (to my taste), but he is passionate, intense, strong to his convictions, and very charismatic in a powerful, intense, quiet way. Quiet charisma is almost more powerful. He has a sense of gravitas. 

 

So, what they were selling seems to have worked on me. Apparently, it didn't work on you. Happens. 

 

 

You are absolutely right about "personal view" of everything mentioned. Like to me the definition of the wolf is "silent danger". Wolf does not need to attack - you see right away this is not an animal you want to mess up with. It's the way he moves or look at you, that readiness to fight that screams - predictor! Wolf stands out in a dogs pack (or any other pack). Yet Solas is very ordinary. He behaves as "every other dog" and looks worse then many of them. For god sake - he is ancient! But still looks (and behaves!) like everyone around.

 

I did not see any demonstration of his intellect (knowledge about elven culture - sure, but this is it). His "passion" puts me to sleep (some people read phone-books more passionately), and any charm, other can see in him, completely escapes me. Absence (or inability to see in him) that "sense of gravitas" you mentioned is exactly my problem with him. 

 

After first PT I know that he is important but I still do not feel it. I am on my second PT, trying to romance him (in hope it adds more character) and desperately looking for new details, proving he is not what he looks and there is more to him. And I fail. It is personal - I admit - but it's not often for me to be unable to find anything interesting about the character. Hell, Felassan - almost without description and far from a main character - got my attention from the first several words in the book! And I still remember the initial concept-art of Solas, which was very interesting. Hence, all I see in Solas is an attempt to make him not-Felassan and something to contradict the initial concept. To me it's a pity.

[NauRava]

A villain? How so?

 

Well...

Spoiler

He did give the orb to Corypheus and so started all the main events in the game, and possibly effected the fall of the ancient elves somehow. So yes, tecnically he's the main villan of the story (a pupet master in the shadow, if you will) but since most of the player learn to trust/like him he's hard to see as one. The best kind of villan if you ask me, a much better one than Cory 

[wildannie]

Well...

Spoiler

He did give the orb to Corypheus and so started all the main events in the game, and possibly effected the fall of the ancient elves somehow. So yes, tecnically he's the main villan of the story (a pupet master in the shadow, if you will) but since most of the player learn to trust/like him he's hard to see as one. The best kind of villan if you ask me, a much better one than Cory 

I don't see how he can be considered a villain at this stage as if it wasn't for him Cory would have won.  He stabilized the anchor at the start (otherwise they would have died) and helped the inquisition stop him.   He made a big mistake and tried to fix it.  He has another goal, but that doesn't negate his help.  It is not yet clear if his goal is good or bad,  I sincerely hope that that that will be subjective.

[Ajna]

He became my favorite male video game character ever. Favorite video game character overall, extremely likely.
I've gotten attached to a lot of characters throughout all of the years that I've played video games but I don't think I've gotten as absurdly attached to one as I have with him. I had settled on him being my romance way long before his character details were even released (I'm into elves...) and I was always waiting for information on him. Because of the strong demeanor of the previous male elves, I was interested in how things would play out with this more calm and reserved character.

Without romance bias, he's just so fascinating. It is rare for a character in a video game to truly change your perceptions and ideologies like he does, especially in a heavy lore-centric series like Dragon Age. It was to the point that I stood for 10 minutes debating whether to make Cole more human or more spirit, solely because of the things that he taught me and our conversations that slowly but surely began to alter my perceptions. I had leaned heavily towards human especially after reading Asunder and yet this one character came in and not only changed my ideas but also reassured some of my previous ones. He just feels so alive. He is also a bit of a paradox, for he's simultaneously open minded yet judgmental; something that I enjoyed watching play out. He's like a blue flame, quiet and cool but burning with passion. I related to his flaws and character overall and I have a deep appreciation for how complex and multifaceted he is. I knew he was the Dread Wolf before the game came out because I had seen a screenshot of his second tarot card, and that identity and revelation adds an infinite amount of layers to his character. Who really is the Dread Wolf? What are his real motives? Is he a trickster, or a rebel? Why did he truly do what he did? Are the ancient gods actual gods or just revered elves who had magical talent? What did he truly do to Mythal at the end? What will he do now that the orb is broken? How does he plan to fix his mistakes? We all have our own theories and speculations, some with plenty of evidence, but we don't know the answers to these questions for sure.

The fact that there's a diversion in interpretations to his character proves he's one of the more divisive characters we've had in the series. There's no unanimous agreement on whether he's a trickster or a rebel, if he's an evil cunning manipulator or someone who is trying to fix all of the mistakes that he has done, or what instances he was lying and what instances he was being genuine. It's very full of shades of grey, kind of like the DA universe overall. He has his flaws and they can't be denied, but they make me love his character all the more. He is a man of cynicism, but also of pain, loneliness, regret, knowledge, compassion, justice, selfishness, pride, and a desire to make things right.

With my never-ending bias, his romance added so much more to his character. Romancing him is a treat, but I'd say there's something really special about romancing him on your first playthrough, because it really shapes how you view the game and the world inside of it. You never get as invested as in your very first playthrough, and doing his romance on my first led me to have a completely different view on the game from some. It had the least content, but it was full of depth and meaning. It brought to light the person under the mask, his true inner conflicts and turmoils. It conveyed the gravity of his guilt at what he has done, leading me to be unable to view him as an evil cunning mastermind, but more as someone filled with regret from the chain of mistakes he committed that were born from a mixture of pride and defiance. There's many things that are uncertain, but the one thing that I believe is undoubtedly true is that he loved my Lavellan. I accepted his reasons for leaving in spite of the pain, and I've never become so invested in a character or romance like I have with him. I'm doing my own things as the days pass by, but Solas is always on my mind and every day I think about how much I can't wait for what is in store for him in the DLC/perhaps the next game. I know it's definitely not the last we'll see of him, and my mind is going crazy with the possibilities and theories, and I can barely keep myself from jumping in anticipation as I await the DLC announcements.


I kind of just vomited my Solas feelings on here, woops. Props if you read all that.

I believe us to be brain twinsies.

[Ajna]

Solas is probably one of the best characters that Bioware has produced to date. He and Mordin Solus (name similarity coincidence? Hmmm...) are easily 2 of my top 3 favorite characters.

#1 being Minsc (and Boo) of course.

Same writer too, let us all raise up Patrick Weekes as a demigod.

[Aren]

Responsible? yes responsible for the great demon's invasion and the death of the divine, but in the end people are always ready to forget a giant mess for a good conversation  (like the Architect), i mean who cares in the end of the thousands of deads for his little mistake?

at last deserved it.

 

[Draining Dragon]

He's responsible alright. Responsible for the whole mess

Isn't Hawke actually responsible for everything?

[Kantr]

Isn't Hawke actually responsible for everything?

Apparently the wards would have weakened anyway. So it was only a matter of time.

 

Flemeth is at fault for saving Hawke.

[OG Swift]

I didn't like Solas much, he was too much sensitive towards certain decisions regarding magic or history. His appearance is not pleasant for me either.

 

After seeing ending, I dislike him even more. SoaB!

[Kierro Ren]

To me Solas was my Rift Mage trainer (Your Trainer can ppptttt off), he was my fourth advisor, and importantly best friend. Ok, yes he was the cause of it all, BUT, at least he had the balls to fix it. One group conversation, was a major burn to Vivienne, it was more or less like so--

 

Vivienne asks Solas about living out of the Circle of Magi.

Solas: That is correct, Enchanter. I did not train in your circle.

Vivienne: Well dear, I hope you can take care of yourself, should we encounter anything outside your experience.

Solas: I will try, in my own fumbling way, to learn how you helped seal the rifts at Haven... AH, wait, my memory misleads me. You were not there.

 

Afterwards I said out loud "Ooo, BURN BEEEAATCH." then "You're right Solas, you were there. Every step of the way." It was the same feeling I had, when hearing Garrus say same thing to Vega's "Doesn't count. That was with Shepherd."

[NaclynE]

Well off topic wise as far as MASS EFFECT I still liked Ashley Williams. as far as Dragon Age I still like Alistar but for DAI I still give mad props over to Cassandra. I still feel if people really want to trully understand her play DRAGON AGE 2, PLAY DRAGON AGE INQUISITION and watch the anime she was the main character of.

 

I am not going to argue about Solas in any way shape or form. Solas seems like a very well written character were like Morrigan he's playing the "friend or foe angle". There are alot of conversations and moments that seem to prove this like him using your mark to seal the first breach point then say "you did that, I just assumed that that's what that mark was for" when I felt he already knew but played you for a fool. If on friendly terms enters your dreams to have personal conversations and wants your input on dreams. Is anti Templar which I find understandable but he's also anti Warden which I find super odd Since Wardens fight darkspawn and archdemons. enjoys conversations about the fade (gives + points to you) which kind of explains a tad bit about the ending. Morrigan on the other hand seemed like a friend or foe in dragon age origins because she always keeps her goal secretive but however unlike Solas Morrigan actually comes out and says that she wants to surpass/kill her mother and perform the ritual. If you romance her she's just playing off the fact that she loves you as "i hate you". In DAI she becomes super open about her goals and says "This is what i did, this is what I want to do, this is what we will do" as opposed to "maybe" or "possibly" or "perhaps".

 

Both characters are still very well written.

[Kierro Ren]

Well off topic wise as far as MASS EFFECT I still liked Ashley Williams. as far as Dragon Age I still like Alistar but for DAI I still give mad props over to Cassandra. I still feel if people really want to trully understand her play DRAGON AGE 2, PLAY DRAGON AGE INQUISITION and watch the anime she was the main character of.

 

I am not going to argue about Solas in any way shape or form. Solas seems like a very well written character were like Morrigan he's playing the "friend or foe angle". There are alot of conversations and moments that seem to prove this like him using your mark to seal the first breach point then say "you did that, I just assumed that that's what that mark was for" when I felt he already knew but played you for a fool. If on friendly terms enters your dreams to have personal conversations and wants your input on dreams. Is anti Templar which I find understandable but he's also anti Warden which I find super odd Since Wardens fight darkspawn and archdemons. enjoys conversations about the fade (gives + points to you) which kind of explains a tad bit about the ending. Morrigan on the other hand seemed like a friend or foe in dragon age origins because she always keeps her goal secretive but however unlike Solas Morrigan actually comes out and says that she wants to surpass/kill her mother and perform the ritual. If you romance her she's just playing off the fact that she loves you as "i hate you". In DAI she becomes super open about her goals and says "This is what i did, this is what I want to do, this is what we will do" as opposed to "maybe" or "possibly" or "perhaps".

 

Both characters are still very well written.

 

He doesn't hate Wardens for what they are, or what they do. He shows respect to Alistair and the Waren, during his 3rd conversation at Haven. He hates the fact some Wardens aren't given a choice. Once they drink Darkspawn blood, they're afterwards tricked and told they'll die soon. Refuse you die sooner than soon. If the order would tell what risks there were. Then Dumbasses like Lohgain, and others would see how important they are. The Wardens fear "If we spread our secret, no one will join." BUT they don't know that. I'm sure there's hundreds still willing to join, and make that sacrifice.

 

Same goes for Qunari under the Qun. Solas doesn't hate the people, just they aren't free to choose, their choices are made for them. And should you refuse, you're killed. Solas values freedom, and knowledge.