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[LobselVith8]

technically lambert had sanction since he annulled the accord(dont agree of course but it where the cards are). On your other point i agree. I was simply asking a question on how both pro-groups act the same

 

Of course, since it's a war, there are casualties, and there are bad apples on both sides of the schism. I don't think anyone was expecting the mages or templars to be perfect. No group in Thedas is perfect. I don't think anyone sides with either the mages or the templars assuming either side is comprised of people without flaws or imperfections.

 

I think it ultimately comes down to ideology. Fiona's comment about "feeling strange" when the Inquisitor brings up meeting her in Orlais has lead to some debate about her choice to side with Alexius (which was after Tevinter spies already infiltrated Redcliffe), but I think the intent of the two groups is what ultimately separates them: if you disagree with the Chantry or Lambert's templars having control over the mages, then you likely will support the mages defending themselves, and perhaps even welcome them as equals and allies with the Inquisition. Otherwise, you may support the templars.

[raging_monkey]

Of course, since it's a war, there are casualties, and there are bad apples on both sides of the schism. I don't think anyone was expecting the mages or templars to be perfect. No group in Thedas is perfect. I don't think anyone sides with either the mages or the templars assuming either side is comprised of people without flaws or imperfections.
 
I think it ultimately comes down to ideology. Fiona's comment about "feeling strange" when the Inquisitor brings up meeting her in Orlais has lead to some debate about her choice to side with Alexius (which was after Tevinter spies already infiltrated Redcliffe), but I think the intent of the two groups is what ultimately separates them: if you disagree with the Chantry or Lambert's templars having control over the mages, then you likely will support the mages defending themselves, and perhaps even welcome them as equals and allies with the Inquisition. Otherwise, you may support the templars.

all true

[Tevinter Soldier]

Eh still find the templar story underwhelming, mage side seems more urgent to deal with fits better with each characters introduction. you lose out on dorian a great deal while cole's entrance doesn't matter at all.

 

templar quest was far too easy for my liking even the boss battle was easy.

Story line was just, meh it felt like going through the motions no urgency, nothing. at least with mages side (especially if your playing rogue or mage) if you below or only just meet the recommended lvl things are tough early on.

 

templars i beat at lvl 6 the mission never felt hard or important and the villain was bland as **** with no depth, "ohhhh i'm a demon ima become you know." If demons weren't the whipping boys for the last 12 years of dragon age games and cut down one after the other, after the other. maybe i would care that i'm fighting yet another demon.

 

Alexius though he has a depth at least replace him with anyone else and the mission is the poorer for it. replace the demon with any other demon and its still the same "im evil" it just felt like generic mission number 8.

 

I still can't come up with any in game reason to even do the templars mission unless i RP someone who hates mages and ignores every reason for going to them including my council voting 3 to 1 in favour of mage help and the invitation to go help them, followed by all the plot points say this is urgent and dangerous situation that must be resolved NOW!

 

i mean even RPing someone who hates mages the choice is mages have asked for help vs that Seeker just punched a woman and doesn't want anything to with me.

I feel i have to play an illogical character to do the templar mission even more so when i found out holy crap Tevinter's involved and ****** with time.

 

the choice is now stop the tevinter alliance and possible ferelden war seeing as the Arl has gone to get troops or let's try to open a dialogue with a bloke who doesn't give a **** about me.

 

there's no in game reason a logical person would throw away stopping things from getting worse in favour of asking if we can have a chat.

[Tevinter Soldier]

fiona when you speak to her at skyhold doesn't seem to mention mind-control to me. but then again she was an inpet rebel leader. who changed the rebellion from fighting for freedom to fighting to become citizens of tevinter, and thus having the right to own another living being as property.

 

thats because you rescued her, fiona believed she was getting the mages shipped back to tevinter. it's why she's angry that alexius is ignoring her. 

dorian even tells you they have been mind controlled when he shows up in haven.

 

by doing the mage side you stop the venatori before the brainwashing. thats the entire reason fiona doesn't talking when she attacks you haven, she's not thinking shes following they didn't brainwash her to getting her to betray the mages, they brainwashed them all back at the castle which was why they took them to the castle not to wait for a ship but to experiment on them.

[herkles]

So fiona was looking forward to being a tevinter citizen with the right to own people as slaves?

[raging_monkey]

So fiona was looking forward to being a tevinter citizen with the right to own people as slaves?

idk about that it was more about about protection

[kyles3]

I wish people would stop saying "if you side with the mages they're whiny."

 

If you side with the Templars you get the same exact cutscene where someone whines at Cassandra only it's a Templar doing it.

 

So everybody's whiny.

[Mykel54]

My main reasons for prefering the templar mission are:

 

- I think time travel is really lame. There is not teleport magic in the DA setting (ex. like dragon ball z teleport, instead there is ultrafast movement). How can there be time magic? It just feels dumb, it breaks the setting.

I do not mind time magic being some weird effect caused by the breach, but not something some mage can actually cast.

 

- The other reason is that i really dislike Fiona, so getting to kill her is great. I also like Calpernia a lot, way more than Samson.

[viperidae]

the outcomes also seem to be kind of biased in any objective sense.

 

When you side with the Mages, you save Fiona, and presumably more high-ranked enchanters and such. you save a whole boatload of mages (let's face it, mage's lives are worth just a bit more since magic is rare, so i would imagine it to be a great tragedy for ferelden if a majority of their mages straight up died in the war or turned to corypheus). You also possibly let the leader of the venatori live, who has much information that you could use/abuse and even knowledge of time magic.

 

What do you give up for this? Other than the templars themselves, basically nothing. The lord seeker is already taken over by Envy at this point. You have to kill samson, but like calpernia in the alternate playthrough, Samson doesn't seem to appear in the storyline at all if you don't side with the mages (other than a loose mention of "samson failed me" by corypheus in a memory-crystal). Yes, corypheus corrupts the templars but i think there's a good chance more Templars can still be created, and the knowledge is still out there somewhere.

 

When you side with the Templars however, all you gain is an army of magic-resistant lyrium-addicted grunts, while most if not all the mages presumably die or become slaves to mind-control, you have to personally kill Fiona, nothing is done about a powerful tevinter magister with TIME MAGIC who has a castle right in the middle of ferelden, and so far in the story nothing's about him come up at all, so i imagine he doesn't get dealt with, not to even mention that no matter what you do the lord seeker is dead anyway.