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Here Lies the Abyss was already awesome, but now... (Spoilers)


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DarkSpiral

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I still say the choice should have been between our original Warden and Hawke, and I'm convinced that's what BW intended when they first thought it up.

The choice of stroud is the weakest, because no one cares about him. It should have been Carver/Bethany, a warden from Awakening like Oghren, or someone... But too many variables were involved with all those.

That would have been a kick to the gut.

But, thinking about that scenario conjors up Hawke taking the matter out of your hands.

 

Inquisitor: Carver/Bethany...

 

*THWACK!*  (Bethany/Carver collapse to the ground, unconcious)

 

Inquisitor: What the hell, Hawke!?

 

Hawke: Sorry, Your Worship.  But this isn't a choice I can allow you to make.  Now get my little sister/brother out of this hell.  *charges the spider demon*


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Of course the trouble is with having your warden is the possibility your warden died killing the archdemon which half of my play-thoughs did and almost all but two of the others sent the other warden to their death. Its the same issue with having certain characters from DAII appear because there's several points were you could well have killed them as shown in the choices in the keep.



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This was the ONLY decision in the game that gave me pause. I only say that because I hope Bioware takes note on how effective this moment was in comparison to the others they tried to create. This decision absolutely devastated me. And I didn't even like Stroud! Still, having to sacrifice and leave someone behind made me feel ~so many kinds of guilty~ I felt like I had a literal weight on my chest. Very powerful. Then talking to my friend about it, he got Alistair instead of Stroud and my mind was blown. If it had been me, I might have just stopped playing and started over with a new Keep Import. No way I could choose between Hawke or Alistair's life. So glad I didn't have to.



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See, I hated this decision. It felt like something in DAO that would have had more choices, like grouping up and killing the spider or finding an item in the dungeon before that allowed you to. Instead you are forced to make a very rail roaded decision. This one and the Boat or the Chargers choice really irked me. 



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This was the ONLY decision in the game that gave me pause.

 

This and the decision at the well for me. Though I only paused at the well for about 20 min. I agonized about the Abyss decision for hours. It also didn't help that I couldn't help but keep thinking... "Why can't I make Blackwall stay behind? He seems like the kind of guy who would step up to the plate. Why can't I make him do this?" I seriously considered *pretending* that I did have Blackwall stay and retire him from my party as if he were gone, lol.



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Of course the trouble is with having your warden is the possibility your warden died killing the archdemon which half of my play-thoughs did and almost all but two of the others sent the other warden to their death. Its the same issue with having certain characters from DAII appear because there's several points were you could well have killed them as shown in the choices in the keep.

 

But there is also the possiblity that Alistair is dead, or that Loghain is dead. If the Warden were dead, just put in the guys that they put in anyway.



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But there is also the possiblity that Alistair is dead, or that Loghain is dead. If the Warden were dead, just put in the guys that they put in anyway.

Quite so.  There is a default Warden (Stroud) specifically because the other options are...options.

 

If all other variables=false, Stroud=true.



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Of course the trouble is with having your warden is the possibility your warden died killing the archdemon which half of my play-thoughs did and almost all but two of the others sent the other warden to their death. Its the same issue with having certain characters from DAII appear because there's several points were you could well have killed them as shown in the choices in the keep.

 

I think it's more likely that your warden is still alive than Loghain is still alive...

 

Actually, it's probably a very small number of players who have Loghain alive and their Warden dead... I've certainly never had that ending in Origins.



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 Fu=king Glitches cant get past cut scenes



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After the initial shock of them pulling this sort of choice with Hawke and endangering any replay value DA2 might have had, I have to say the choice wasn't very hard for me.

 

I had to be very mean to my Warden's BFF Alistair to ensure that everyone of merit survived the Blight for my personal canon. That included Loghain. Killing him stopped being an option after I read the books. So when the choice came up, I just couldn't leave him and his stupid new haircut behind.

 

Don't get me wrong. I loved my personal canon Hawke, but I am absolutely convinced that wasn't her at all. Not just because she was stuck with the weird default face due to my Inquisitor's voice selection, either. Her completely flipping out on Loghain and blaming Wardens for everything was so completely out of character for my mostly nice, sometimes charming Hawke that I thought it was some sort of fade-crazy bullshizzle. I suppose she forgot all about her dear little sister being one. Not to mention Anders, who I like to imagine she still lives haphazardly ever after with because of troo wuv and stuff.

 

Either way. Loghain lived. A Hawke stayed in the fade, but it wasn't mine.

 

For this decision to have the desired effect, I would have considered using a surviving sibling (if there was one), a romanced Fenris/Merril if there wasn't, and Dog (DA2) as the failsafe. Any of those would have challenged Loghain's life more if it was up to me. I guess I should be glad it wasn't. :3



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After the initial shock of them pulling this sort of choice with Hawke and endangering any replay value DA2 might have had, I have to say the choice wasn't very hard for me.

wat



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wat


Best to just ignore posts which are so obviously batshit crazy.

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wat

I...think (think!) she's referring to the fact that Hawke flipping out all over Loghain (or whatever Warden is there, actually) is so at odds with how she sees her headcanon Hawke, that the difference is impossible to reconcile.  I sympathize.  My headcanon Hawke sided with the Templars because a runway train is impossible to stop if you stand in front of it, but you might be able to steer it a little bit if you along for the ride.

 

Meredith is the runaway train, in this case.  My Hawke sides with her because she sees it as the best way to guarantee Bethany's survival..  When DAI Hawke definitively states that it she sided with Meredith because there were just to many bloodmages, I had to sigh.  Oh well.

 

That had nothing to do with why the choice was easy, though.  The world can benefit from the presence of the Champion of Kirkwall far more than it will from any one Grey Warden between times of Blight.  Even if that Warden is the last one in Orlais to have not surrendered his senses to rank stupidity.



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Yeah, that blood mage part got me too, especially since my Hawke romanced Merrill.


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I...think (think!) she's referring to the fact that Hawke flipping out all over Loghain (or whatever Warden is there, actually) is so at odds with how she sees her headcanon Hawke, that the difference is impossible to reconcile.  I sympathize.  My headcanon Hawke sided with the Templars because a runway train is impossible to stop if you stand in front of it, but you might be able to steer it a little bit if you along for the ride.

 

Meredith is the runaway train, in this case.  My Hawke sides with her because she sees it as the best way to guarantee Bethany's survival..  When DAI Hawke definitively states that it she sided with Meredith because there were just to many bloodmages, I had to sigh.  Oh well.

 

That had nothing to do with why the choice was easy, though.  The world can benefit from the presence of the Champion of Kirkwall far more than it will from any one Grey Warden between times of Blight.  Even if that Warden is the last one in Orlais to have not surrendered his senses to rank stupidity.

Hmmm I see. 

Yeah...



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I liked seeing Loghain. He looks good. Must be good eating habits and a lot of exercise


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Clarification: Putting my previous PC into the Kaiden/Ashley situation in this game pretty much ruined any chance that I'd play DA2 again. If this is where Hawke's story inevitably ends up, I reckon I just don't see the point in playing through it again. That's all.

 

Even if they managed to perfectly script the Hawke I played, the outcome would have been the same. She wouldn't have given anyone a choice, but I would have angsted over it at least a little bit.

 

As it is though, the whole thing just felt kinda awkward.



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I think this was easily my favorite quest in DA:I but I was a little let down by the phrase "likely die." It took away a lot of the gravity in the choice, as I assume either death will be retconned later.

 

Honestly I really, really wish for a DLC that would let you rescue Hawke from the Fade along with Hawke's LI. Unlikely... but I can dream. 



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Okay, after reading some of these responses and doing some thinking, I am now convinced I made the better decision. Hawke is still an influential (and very powerful) figure in Thedas, plus he has Merrill and Carver to live for. And Varric... nope, couldn't do that to Varric. The Champion can do more for Thedas alive than dead, while unfortunately all Stroud could do would be to try to lead a bunch of potentially corrupted Wardens in exile.

 

In addition, Stroud's sacrifice is the perfectly leads up to my Inquisitor's next choice - to have the Wardens join the Inquisition. It convinced my Inquisitor that if any of the remaining Wardens were anything like Stroud, then perhaps they were worth saving. Plus Stroud would want my Herald to give the Wardens a chance, and this would be a way to honor this wish. 

 

Does this make sense RP-wise, or am I contradicting myself somehow?

 

 

I...think (think!) she's referring to the fact that Hawke flipping out all over Loghain (or whatever Warden is there, actually) is so at odds with how she sees her headcanon Hawke, that the difference is impossible to reconcile.  I sympathize.  My headcanon Hawke sided with the Templars because a runway train is impossible to stop if you stand in front of it, but you might be able to steer it a little bit if you along for the ride.

 

Meredith is the runaway train, in this case.  My Hawke sides with her because she sees it as the best way to guarantee Bethany's survival..  When DAI Hawke definitively states that it she sided with Meredith because there were just to many bloodmages, I had to sigh.  Oh well.

 

That had nothing to do with why the choice was easy, though.  The world can benefit from the presence of the Champion of Kirkwall far more than it will from any one Grey Warden between times of Blight.  Even if that Warden is the last one in Orlais to have not surrendered his senses to rank stupidity.

 

Yeah, unfortunately with this kind of protagonist cameo there are bound to be some OOC bits. I'm still glad they put Hawke in the game though, thankfully for me the ooc parts were relatively few. Thing is though, it seems to make a lot of sense that even a nice Hawke would flip out about the wardens's blood magic - to me, Hawke should be seriously ****** tired of that **** (by the way, I'm referring to Kittn's posts). Come on, 7 years of idiot blood mages crawling out of the woodwork every 2 seconds, and you expect Hawke to not get a little worked up when someone defends them? Still, who am I (or Bioware) to tell anyone what their characters should feel. I empathize with anyone who feels their Hawke was really out of character in DAI.



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I had Loghain as my Warden, and it was pretty cool. I actually had a tough time with the decision, but honestly that was a really good way for Loghain's story to end, so I was good with letting him stick behind. It would have been slightly tougher with Alistair as the Warden, and Stroud would have been a really easy choice to let stay. It's kind of a stretch, but warrior and rogue Hawke did serve at Ostagar, so it's not entirely impossible that they first meet Loghain there. 



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I've sacrificed Hawke. because i though of what i would have done if i was Hawke. + hugging varric afterwards was worth it, poor Varric, but hey that's what Heroes do, they give their lives to protect others. Hawke is a hero.



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I saved Hawke, considering he went through so much **** in Kirkwill (losing his mother, his sister/brother and be forced to take a side in a feud between mages and tempars). Now if it was Loghain it would be a tougher choice, since Loghain went through the same **** or even worse (for anyone who read the calling)



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I had the choice between leaving behind Loghain or Hawke. Hawke stayed in the Fade, Loghain made it out and went to Weisshaupt. Something's going on up there...



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I see I viewed it differently than most did.  It really doesn't matter to me who the warden is, my inquizy wouldn't know any of them although probably would have heard of Lohgain.  I have run through that quest 3 times now and each time I find myself agreeing with everything Hawke says about the wardens and how this is their fault.  They are tools and there is no hesitation on my part to leave the warden in the fade and then banish the others once back in the world.



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So, I had Alistair as a Warden. And I was roleplaying my Inquisitor. And I knew he'd leave Alistair behind and save Hawke.
It took me half an hour to press the button. And then...
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For my first combo I had a Hawke who I wasn't that attached too, plus the voice bug with customised Hawke meant I reloaded with a default Hawke, so she wasn't really my Hawke, and I had Alistair as my GW, great to see him again and have him talk about his love (my warden) so Hawke took the sacrifice. Whilst Varrics reaction was heartbreaking, next playthrough I'll make sure that Hawke survives (I hope there's a patch for that bug before then) because I'm very fond of that one. I don't have a combo set up in the keep with Loghain as yet, but will make sure I get one pt with that.

So far this has been most favourite main quest (although I did enjoy Wicked hearts too)