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#51
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If you choose the Mages, and Alistair is your Warden, you get some interesting convos with Fiona.

 

If you leave Alistair in the fade, she talks about regrets afterwards.  Then she disappears from Skyhold.

 

I think she's off to the fade to get her baby boy back  :D  


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Okay, after reading some of these responses and doing some thinking, I am now convinced I made the better decision. Hawke is still an influential (and very powerful) figure in Thedas, plus he has Merrill and Carver to live for. And Varric... nope, couldn't do that to Varric. The Champion can do more for Thedas alive than dead, while unfortunately all Stroud could do would be to try to lead a bunch of potentially corrupted Wardens in exile.

 

In addition, Stroud's sacrifice is the perfectly leads up to my Inquisitor's next choice - to have the Wardens join the Inquisition. It convinced my Inquisitor that if any of the remaining Wardens were anything like Stroud, then perhaps they were worth saving. Plus Stroud would want my Herald to give the Wardens a chance, and this would be a way to honor this wish. 

 

Does this make sense RP-wise, or am I contradicting myself somehow?

 

Makes sense to me :)



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I didnt like leaving Stroud behind , he is a decent fellow anyways why are people so hell bent on being sad lol " o why bioware it should have been a harder choice , perhaps between our Warden vs Hawke " isnt this the same community that went nuts because they coudnt save Shepard at the end of ME3 ? I digress.

 

Anyways im happy that they didnt force that on us ( Hero of ferelden vs Hawke or crap like that ) as some of us do not enjoy being sad:-).if you have to have  a lose a lose situation you absolutely could , have Alistair as a grey warden everytime then you'll have your "hard" choice but let the rest of us enjoy our easy one.



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So, I had Alistair as a Warden. And I was roleplaying my Inquisitor. And I knew he'd leave Alistair behind and save Hawke.

It took me half an hour to press the button. And then...

Lie_down_try_not_to_cry_cry_a_lot_cleane

 

It's the pain of proper roleplaying, Bird.

 

Unless you're me.

 

Because I enjoy killing baby Rachni and setting Korgan on fire :devil:



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It's the pain of proper roleplaying, Bird.

 

Unless you're me.

 

Because I enjoy killing baby Rachni and setting Korgan on fire :devil:

 

I know, I know. It also took me a long time to make the decision in Iron Bull's personal quest. 



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OP I wish I imported my Alistair-as-warden import first because I too felt I missed out on something that would have made a bigger impact. I assumed the King cameo would have been longer than it was but sadly I wasn't to know.  I did however pick Hawke only because the choice said "likely" to die and the Wardens needed a competent leader to take over. I also assumed the wording meant we'd be returning to the fade for the last big fight and Hawke/Warden would appear again somehow. Again I was Wrong XD.  Varric asking where hawke was got me choked up though.



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I'm just gonna roll my Hawke/Aistair as a GW file, as my Hawke having been in love with Anders, kille him in Kirkwall after the explosion, so when she stays, she'll be reunited in afterlife



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This was always an easy choice for me, and I've played through with all 3 Grey Wardens. Simply put, I always choose Hawke (except for one game and that was to see how things would change) because Stroud's a nobody, Loghain's a scumbag, and Alistair can easily be "saved" by placing him on the Fereldan throne.


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For me, this came right down to accountability. Hawke was responsible for releasing Corypheus from the GW prison in the Vimmark Mountains by undoing the spell her father used to seal his prison. Stroud/ Alistair need to survive for the GW to even have a chance of rebuilding and coming back at later date. I told Stoud/ Alistair to grab their men and get the FO of Orlais and go home.

 

The first playthrough I sent Blackwall packing too with the other Gray Wardens. I didn't want Corypheus jumping to him due to his taint. The 2nd playthrough, I let Blackwall stay since he was lair and was never even a GW.



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The choice should have been Hero of Ferelden x Hawke.

 

Just sayin'



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Curious: When you all play again, will you start back at DAO, or will you just make different choices in the keep? 



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You can edit the Tapestay however you want in the dragon age keep and save them for different playthroughs. You can also create/ share your world states with your friends or create new ones for friends who have never played and walk them through the tapestay based on their decisions if they played through the first two.



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The two times I've done it so far, I've used the two Hawkes I liked, so Stroud stayed the first time and Alistair the second time.  Also, I've had a really hard time trying to justify letting the Orlesian Wardens go under a strong leader, from my Inquisitors' perspective.  I've just coopted them into the Inquisition and used them up without regard.  There are other Wardens to keep fighting the darkspawn.  But this group doesn't deserve to go on.



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Um I never played previous DA games. Anyone want to enlighten me on who loghain and alistair are.

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Um I never played previous DA games. Anyone want to enlighten me on who loghain and alistair are.


Alistair was a companion and main love interest of the female players, the only other grey warden in Ferelden to survive Loghain's betrayal. Loghain was the villain of Dragon Age: origins. You could spare him and he becomes a companion to replace Alistair.

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The choice should have been Hero of Ferelden x Hawke.

 

Just sayin'

 

Hawke is pretty much doomed then.



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The choice should have been Hero of Ferelden x Hawke.

 

Just sayin'

 

Then everybody would be pissed because they would be forced to kill either one of their main characters. Besides, that would involve getting the HoF into the game, and that would ****** even more people, because they would have to give him/her a personality/voice that would probably be different from the personality that each player gave to his/her Warden. They already took a risk by giving an standard personality to Hawke. Plus, giving a voice to a voiceless character would probably not be the best option.

 

Anyway, I'm on my main playthrough, and I left Stroud without hesitation. Maybe if I had another world state in which Alistar lived I would have chosen him, but deciding between somebody I barely knew (in DA2 Carver became a templar, so I didn't met Stroud) and a character that I played as for at least 30 hours had only one possible outcome. 

 

But...damn, that mission was awesome. Nightmare's voice was amazing, spot on. Much better fade sequence that the one in Origins (at least in my opinion)



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would it have been more interesting to take control of Hawke through  dialog wheel like you do the inquisitor if you play an imported game?  Now that would be interesting, having a bit more freedom to script the conversation to match your Hawke from DA2. is that even feasable?



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I think this was easily my favorite quest in DA:I but I was a little let down by the phrase "likely die." It took away a lot of the gravity in the choice, as I assume either death will be retconned later.


Well, Duncan was the same way. We never actually saw his body.

I suppose that's why it's been somewhat shocking to not have seen him again.

It may also be a case of BioWare not wanting to write themselves into a corner (again). So if they want to ever use Hawke again, she can either be alive heading to Weishaupt or alive in the Fade.

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Bye, Hawke! While I won't miss you, I'd be ok with you getting Marvel retconned back from the Fade in the future.



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If you choose the Mages, and Alistair is your Warden, you get some interesting convos with Fiona.

 

If you leave Alistair in the fade, she talks about regrets afterwards.  Then she disappears from Skyhold.

 

I think she's off to the fade to get her baby boy back   :D

This is awesome. I had no idea. I have no play-throughs where Alistair remains a Warden and no intention to make any, but it's awesome they included things like that. Killing her if you side with the Templars really upset me, especially because there's no chance to save her or take her alive to judge her.



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Then everybody would be pissed because they would be forced to kill either one of their main characters.

I don't know. I think a good segment of the fanbase would have just left Hawke if that was case, at the very least. I'd assume most fans would have left Stroud there. I also believed a good segment would have left Loghain in there, considering his age. Heck, his age may take him before his Calling.

 

The only difficult one would be Alistair and Hawke, but personally, I would have left Hawke. I liked Alistair way too much to let that happen. Luckily...I didn't have to make that choice. (I made Grey Warden out of Loghain). 



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For me, this came right down to accountability. Hawke was responsible for releasing Corypheus from the GW prison in the Vimmark Mountains by undoing the spell her father used to seal his prison.

 

It's a little baffling that so many on this forum seem to keep getting this part of the story totally wrong. Even Varric spells this out for us in Inquisition, should you actually ask him about his encounter with Corypheus. The Grey Wardens were the ones responsible. It was their prison, and it was their trap, which Varric led Hawke to because of the Carta dwarves they/Corypheus kept sending to kill them. Aside from that, the seals were weakening, so Corypheus' escape was inevitable, by Hawke's intervention or not. One might be inclined to blame Hawke and Varric for choosing not to just sit and die in the Deep Roads so that Corypheus' escape might come a little later, but that wouldn't be very sensible. Speaking of Varric, it's also kind of amusing how Hawke gets the blame for both this and the red lyrium thing, when Varric is the one that ropes people into this stuff. I guess his chest hair is also a shield.



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On the other hand, I'm having trouble figuring out why exactly my Inquisitor would choose Hawke over Stroud when Stroud is the "smarter" choice (the Wardens should have a leader to help them rebuild). I'm sure I'll find some justification eventually xD.

My Inquisitor didn't want them to 'have a leader and rebuild'. He wanted to force them under Inquisition's boot, to show people that the Inquisition has support of the Wardens (and is able to forgive it's enemies their past mistakes), and to have expendable troops for fighting possible Darkspawn threats.

So choosing Hawke was obvious, if he wanted to have absolute control of recruited Warden forces - Stroud had to die. He had seized the opportunity. 

And having Hawke around could possibly still be good. That girl still had a lot of contacts. 



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The idea that this one man, who was previously forced to go into hiding from his brothers in arms, is suddenly so totally essential to their order's rebuilding just doesn't seem convincing to me. Like, why do they need him to rebuild? You mean among all of these people, there's not a single one among them who is leadership material? Anyway, the Wardens had to pay somehow, so they paid in the loss of their senior Warden and became cannon fodder to do my bidding.


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