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My take on the decline of Bioware & how I feel about Inquisition


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Inquisition does take place in a French inspired country, which is also where Assassin's Creed is based. Paris, I mean. It's not really that either is the same as the other, they're just both drawing inspiration from an actual existing culture.

 

I also meant in the purely graphical sense as well. Character models, etc. 

 

 

 

 

And I suppose I can agree that Inquisition has emphasis on exploration, but the gameplay is really different. It certainly doesn't feel anything like Skyrim to me. 

 

But maybe that's just my opinion. I also explored a lot in GTA, but it doesn't feel like Skyrim.

 

What I meant was that you are exploring similar types of environments. But yes, the gameplay is different. 



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You got excited for a game other than mass effect. You're at fault. Fix now

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can someone please lock this thread.. it has no place in OT section.

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I haven't played Skyrim or any Assassin's Creed games, though I did try ES:Oblivion and liked it at first but got tired of it after a while.

 

So far I'm mostly liking DA:I, though I would agree that there is quite a bit of boring filler content in there, and after hearing from some other players in the DA:I forum, I think I'm just going to start focusing more on the main story and only try to complete some of the sidequests instead of all of them.

 

One thing I would say is that games with player choice and variable outcomes as a main feature shouldn't be *too* long, simply because of time constraints. If a single playthrough is going to take me two months, I'm far less likely to go back to it even if I'm curious about how some of the alternate paths might turn out.



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One thing I would say is that games with player choice and variable outcomes as a main feature shouldn't be *too* long, simply because of time constraints. If a single playthrough is going to take me two months, I'm far less likely to go back to it even if I'm curious about how some of the alternate paths might turn out.

So, as long as ME3? or what??



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The length of the game isn't what would keep me from replaying to see other outcomes, its all the filler in between. My first playthrough in Fallout New Vegas  was probably 80 hrs or so, and it didn't stop me from starting a new game pretty much as soon as I finished. 



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The length of the game isn't what would keep me from replaying to see other outcomes, its all the filler in between. My first playthrough in Fallout New Vegas  was probably 80 hrs or so, and it didn't stop me from starting a new game pretty much as soon as I finished. 

 

I should have been more specific in saying that I'm talking about games like the Mass Effect, Dragon Age, and Witcher series where the broad outlines of the narrative tend to remain the same from one playthrough to another - no matter what, you can't play a Shepard that decides Virmire will be a waste of time, a Warden that figures the Circle and the Dwarves will provide enough support and there's no reason to bring in the Dalish Elves, or a Geralt who decides to head straight back to Vizima after Triss teleports him away. You can pick and choose sidequests, and in some cases change up the order of the main quests, but a considerable portion of the gameplay is going to be pretty similar each time.

 

Fallout 3 and New Vegas have main quests, but they aren't presented with quite the same urgency, and there are a bunch of different ways you can get to the point of being able to complete them. On my first FO:NV playthrough, I didn't really even try to *start* the main quest until probably 40 or 50 hours in, as I didn't have enough caps/skill checks to get into the Strip, and I was playing my character as more inclined to avoid Benny than track him down and demand answers anyway.



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Okay. I gotcha now. Though I still feel it has more to do with how you spend your time playing than how long it takes to play, well for me anyways.  And I do agree, DA:I is much too long for what is in the game.



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Just a question for those that have played, is the game full of SJW logic and agenda forced upon you?



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Just a question for those that have played, is the game full of SJW logic and agenda forced upon you?

 

Of course!

 

Why would you think otherwise?



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Just a question for those that have played, is the game full of SJW logic and agenda forced upon you?

 

Not really, unless you're easily offended.

 

Certain things exist, but they don't go around going "HEY LOOK WE HAVE GAY PEOPLE WERE INCLUSIVE!" every 5 minutes or anything like that.



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Just a question for those that have played, is the game full of SJW logic and agenda forced upon you?

 

There are a few things that are eye-roll-worthy, but it's okay for the most part.


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DAI is Bioware's best game and this is coming from someone who loved their older games like Baldur's Gate 2. It might not be the best plot or their best characters or the best this or that but as a complete package it's their best game all around. It's easily my personal GOTY and nothing comes close. Comparing it to AC and Skyrim is selling the game short because it does some things similar to those games but so much better. The exploration as an example is far better in DAI than it ever was even in that massive Skyrim world.

 

Bioware is not in decline...they're on the rise after this game. I find it hilarious at how much negativity hits this forum as just about everywhere else has amazing praise from users. It's a bold new step for Bioware and in their first attempt at a big open game like this they crushed the formula that Bethesda exclusively develops on...and did it better. Might be the first open game I've played like this that actually found a way to keep the narrative relevant, tight and still has excellent characters. That in itself makes it innovative because in my mind no other game has done this so well before.

 

The only thing DAI made me do is drool at the mouth thinking about how good Mass Effect 4's formula will be using a similar design philosophy. They will no doubt build off any perceived flaws from DAI and making it an even more complete game on an amazing engine. Moving to Frostbite was Bioware's best design decision in a long time and just adding jump added an entirely different dimension to the franchise.



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Damn straight.



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Obsidian is da best though. 


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There are a few things that are eye-roll-worthy, but it's okay for the most part.

I know what you mean; I just got to Dorian's personal quest today, and that definitely felt rather PSA-esque. Thankfully most of the rest of the game isn't like that.



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In my opinon DA:I Is mediocre at best, It certainly didn't deserve goty not saying i didn't enjoy it but it's not goty worthy.



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In my opinon DA:I Is mediocre at best, It certainly didn't deserve goty not saying i didn't enjoy it but it's not goty worthy.

 

The only better game is Dark Souls 2. 2014 was a year of mediocre games, just like 2013.

I don't have much hope for 2015 either (but there is some good action, racing and other genres too). Note: I haven't seen much in Witcher 3 except hunting.

Only the year when Fallout 4 will be released is a good year for gaming!



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The only better game is Dark Souls 2.

 or Shadow of Mordor.



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DAI is Bioware's best game and this is coming from someone who loved their older games like Baldur's Gate 2. It might not be the best plot or their best characters or the best this or that but as a complete package it's their best game all around. It's easily my personal GOTY and nothing comes close. Comparing it to AC and Skyrim is selling the game short because it does some things similar to those games but so much better. The exploration as an example is far better in DAI than it ever was even in that massive Skyrim world.

 

Bioware is not in decline...they're on the rise after this game. I find it hilarious at how much negativity hits this forum as just about everywhere else has amazing praise from users. It's a bold new step for Bioware and in their first attempt at a big open game like this they crushed the formula that Bethesda exclusively develops on...and did it better. Might be the first open game I've played like this that actually found a way to keep the narrative relevant, tight and still has excellent characters. That in itself makes it innovative because in my mind no other game has done this so well before.

 

The only thing DAI made me do is drool at the mouth thinking about how good Mass Effect 4's formula will be using a similar design philosophy. They will no doubt build off any perceived flaws from DAI and making it an even more complete game on an amazing engine. Moving to Frostbite was Bioware's best design decision in a long time and just adding jump added an entirely different dimension to the franchise.

Sure. Let's pretend that if Fallout 4 or Witcher 3 released this year that both wouldn't have completely overshadowed Dragon Age. The only reason it won GOTY is because so many other games dropped the ball this year.


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Sure. Let's pretend that if Fallout 4 or Witcher 3 released this year that both wouldn't have completely overshadowed Dragon Age. The only reason it won GOTY is because so many other games dropped the ball this year.

 

Yeah, let's pretend a game that doesn't exist and game that hasn't even come out yet and nobody has played would overshadow a game that people are playing now. Definitely BSN logic right here lol.

 

Yes, a lot of AAA games are disappointing this year but that doesn't take away as to how good DAI is. Many hold Skyrim as the gold standard for WRPGs in recent years and I think it's a better overall game than that. Perhaps it's unfair to compare them since they're so different but I'm talking favorite RPGs that are popular opinions. So no, regardless what came this year it would still have high praise. This is Bioware's first attempt at a game this big and their world is already more interesting than any Bethesda game. IMO of course but I did absolutely love Morrowind and Fallout 3.

 

I'm thinking Witcher 3 is going to be GOTY in 2015 but let's not pretend like everything is peachy in that game right now. It's already on their second delay and they have ran into development problems by losing several lead devs in the middle of development months ago. It would be

ignorant to crown it as a better game without playing it. For all we know the ambition might be too big for CDProjekt to handle. I have confidence they will but I've seen many AAA games run into similar problems and it didn't end well(see a recent example in Destiny). Destiny ended up at a point in development where they realized their ambition was too high and they had to scramble for a year to redo certain parts. Read the story on it. That's why we ended up with the disappointment(or at least a lot of players feel) Destiny ended up being.

 

I'm definitely anticipating Fallout 4 though! Been my most wanted game for awhile now.



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I have to agree that I like Inquisition more than Skyrim, but then I also didn't think Skyrim was as amazing as everybody else seems to.

 

but then this is BSN and we aren't supposed to actually like BioWare's new games, apparently.


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Here's my experience with DA:I:

Crash, crash, crash, crash, update video drivers, crash, crash, crash, crash, go out an spend close to 1000 bucks on new computer parts including a new videocard, crash ,crash, crash, get a refund on the game.

GAME OF THE YEAR!!!! W0000

I haven't had so much fun since FO:NV on launch.

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Logic:

 

DA:I is like Skyrim.

I like Oblivion more than Skyrim.

Most likely I like Oblivion more than DA:I.

 

End of line.



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Yeah, let's pretend a game that doesn't exist and game that hasn't even come out yet and nobody has played would overshadow a game that people are playing now. Definitely BSN logic right here lol.

 

Yes, a lot of AAA games are disappointing this year but that doesn't take away as to how good DAI is. Many hold Skyrim as the gold standard for WRPGs in recent years and I think it's a better overall game than that. So no, regardless what came this year it would still have high praise. This is Bioware's first attempt at a game this big and their world is already more interesting than any Bethesda game. IMO of course but I did absolutely love Morrowind and Fallout 3.

 

I'm thinking Witcher 3 is going to be GOTY in 2015 but let's not pretend like everything is peachy in that game right now. It's already on their second delay and they have run into development problems by losing several lead devs in the middle of development months ago. It would ignorant to crown it as a better game without playing it. For all we know the ambition might be too big for CDProjekt to handle. I have confidence they will but I've seen many AAA games run into similar problems and it didn't end well(see a recent example in Destiny).

I just think it's ridiculous to say that Bioware has created a world that's better than those Bethesda has created. The entire world of Thedas in Inquisition reminds me of KoA. A developer that has next to no experience creating open worlds but can still make them look pretty. But any developer can make it look pretty. Even the shitty games today are at least nice to look at. But making a world feel lived in, like it was crafted by it's inhabitants and not a game developer's hands, that's something else entirely. That is where Bethesda succeeds and so many others fail.

 

They also give out a free mod kit to people so they can create their own free content (which is why EA refuses to do it) and expand on what's already there. That alone makes TES a superior gaming experience to anything EAware produces.