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So...has Bioware changed The Qun?

Débuté par TheRevanchist , déc. 06 2014 09:45

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#276
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Posté 07 décembre 2014 - 08:01

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This is again where the heart of the problem is, people take what is said to be gospel, when the reality of the situation is completely different and antithetical to any reasonable thought. As I said earlier in the thread, lore is always subject to change, and it's not really a retcon when it does, it is simply adding layers to the dimensions. 

 

Out of likes, but I completely agree with you. :)

New information = new dimensions to the culture. Different ways to look at things, perspectives from different roles in the Qun. 


#277
Bhaal
Posté 07 décembre 2014 - 08:06

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Well Sten even said that they have no mages. So, well, yeah.


#278
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Posté 07 décembre 2014 - 08:10

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Well Sten even said that they have no mages. So, well, yeah.

Sten is cis scum what he said doesn't matter.


#279
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Posté 07 décembre 2014 - 08:11

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Well Sten even said that they have no mages. So, well, yeah.

 

Sten never said they have no mages. He refers to them many times.

 

Morrigan: I am led to understand that the Qunari have their own mages as well. Is that so?
Sten: You would not understand.
Morrigan: Not understand? Is it mental capacity that you believe I lack? Or are you worried I will sympathize with my so-called brethren?
Sten: Take your pick.
 
Shale: I am told that the Qunari put mages on leashes. Leashes! What a delightful concept!
Sten: It is not something that one should take pleasure in. It is done because it is necessary.

#280
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Posté 07 décembre 2014 - 08:13

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I almost get the impression that they're trying to butter me up to like the Qun... simply because they've made all of the factions idiotic or in bad shape. Dalish are founded on lies. Chantry folk are so pathetically desperate that they bow down to any random Jane or Joe called the Herald. In comes the Qun. They're hip. They party. They're open to transgendered now. They're technically atheist, so no real religious controversy here. It's all good, man. Nothing bad to see here. Yep.


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#281
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Posté 07 décembre 2014 - 08:17

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I almost get the impression that they're trying to butter me up to like the Qun... simply because they've made all of the factions idiotic or in bad shape. Dalish are founded on lies. Chantry folk are so pathetically desperate that they bow down to any random Jane or Joe called the Herald. In comes the Qun. They're hip. They party. They're open to transgendered now. They're technically atheist, so no real religious controversy here. It's all good, man. Nothing bad to see here. Yep.

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Posté 07 décembre 2014 - 08:18

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You're not supposed to approve, Arishok. :D

 

 

I'm saddened at the state of the lore. It's all a bit wonky now.


#283
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Posté 07 décembre 2014 - 08:23

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I almost get the impression that they're trying to butter me up to like the Qun... simply because they've made all of the factions idiotic or in bad shape. Dalish are founded on lies. Chantry folk are so pathetically desperate that they bow down to any random Jane or Joe called the Herald. In comes the Qun. They're hip. They party. They're open to transgendered now. They're technically atheist, so no real religious controversy here. It's all good, man. Nothing bad to see here. Yep.

 

To a certain extant, many aspects of the qun are appealing. A sense of order, a place in the world... but on the other side of the coin, they casually share scary as **** info like their "re-education" process. What. Yeah, as much as I find the Qun interesting, not touching that with a 10 foot pole. 

 

(Not to mention if you refuse to cooperate once you are a "part" of the Qun, if you rebel, you are taken to the viddathlok where somehow you are changed into a mindless laborer to live out the rest of your days as basically a slave to the Qun. Hell naw.)


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Posté 07 décembre 2014 - 08:25

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To a certain extant, many aspects of the qun are appealing. A sense of order, a place in the world... but on the other side of the coin, they casually share scary as **** info like their "re-education" process. What. Yeah, as much as I find the Qun interesting, not touching that with a 10 foot pole. 

 

(Not to mention if you refuse to cooperate once you are a "part" of the Qun, if you rebel, you are taken to the viddathlok where somehow you are changed into a mindless laborer to live out the rest of your days as basically a slave to the Qun. Hell naw.)

 

I like the sense of order.. generally speaking. Not the "place in the world" ideals. A lot of people yearn for that, of course.. so to each their own. I'm all about improvising and floating through life. Fug it. 


#285
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Posté 07 décembre 2014 - 08:46

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While I do feel like they have retconned the qunari to an extent to make them 'easier to digest' for most players, I also feel like they make more sense now?

 

I always had a very hard time understanding why qunari children wouldn't play. Children learn from playing and it would be pretty hard to keep them from doing it completely. So that they would play with things like blocks very early in life makes sense to me. 

 

People are people, you can't take that away completely and still have a functioning society. Before The Bull I was under the impression that they didn't do anything sexual either (except for reproduction, of course), but that would be weird too. Sexual frustration can be very problematic and distracting.

 

As for Krem, I feel like Bulls attitude is a little incompatible with what we've heard before, but it doesn't bother me that much.

 

I did like the qunari better when they felt robotic and incomprehensible. They're starting to look... boring.


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#286
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Posté 07 décembre 2014 - 08:58

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Sexual frustration can be very problematic and distracting.

Does the Qun say masturbation makes your horns fall off?


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Posté 07 décembre 2014 - 08:59

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Does the Qun say masturbation makes your horns fall off?

 

I don't know why I'm reminded.. and this is totally off-topic.. 

 

But we need a Zaeed character. Who tells us old war stories about ripping off Qunari horns.


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#288
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Posté 07 décembre 2014 - 12:13

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<stuff>

 

<more stuff>

 

Well.  The debate over the not-a-retcon seems over but at least its been replaced by something entertaining.  :D


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Posté 07 décembre 2014 - 12:34

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Lord have mercy, what in the world is going on in here?

 

A mixed bag.

 

Smart things.

Funny things.

Nice things.

 

And lots and lots and LOTS of stupid things.

 

"Biower retconed-ed da Qoon!"

 

Just lol.


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Posté 07 décembre 2014 - 12:38

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A mixed bag.

 

Smart things.

Funny things.

Nice things.

 

And lots and lots and LOTS of stupid things.

 

"Biower retconed-ed da Qoon!"

 

Just lol.

 

Is it really that lol-worthy? It deserved explanation, considering that players were only exposed to the qun up close with Sten. And then distantly with the Arishok. DAI is proividing new information, and you're acting like people should have already known.


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Posté 07 décembre 2014 - 12:48

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Is it really that lol-worthy? It deserved explanation, considering that players were only exposed to the qun up close with Sten. And then distantly with the Arishok. DAI is proividing new information, and you're acting like people should have already known.

 

No.

 

New information is good. It expands on it.

 

Like you said, we know little of the Qun outside what Sten and the Arishock has told us.

 

A retcon would be... errr... "Qunari who don't want to be Qunari can do whatever they want in our lands, like become a farmer then a potter."

 

That's a fundamental that shouldn't be broken. But the other stuff? Just stupid.

 

Especially when it comes to IB who's more open minded than most.

 

Can't you just accept that? Or does there HAVE to be something else because it's impossible for a Qunari who's not been in Qunari Land to start thinking for himself? Can't IB be conflicted between his love for his men and his loyalty to the Qun? Can't IB be the oddball out of an entire race of brainwashed ninneys? Can't IB be influenced by the 'freedom' of a world without the Qun, having to play his role as a Spy and then actually enjoying it?

 

But nooooooooo.

 

There's a 12 page thread trying to answer a very simple question and continuing to dig a hole so deep it forgot what it originally wanted to do.

 

I find this the case with most "DAI is baaahhhhddd" threads or "why did he dooouuuu disss?" Crap.

 

All very simple questions that become overly complicated. Dragon Age is franchise, chill out, there'll be 10 more games if it's successful enough, I'm sure we'll get lots of answers later on.

 

Not every Qunari is the same. Sten calls us friend; the Arishcok respects us; Iron Bull is different to them.

 

All simple stuff becoming overly complicated by nonsense.


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#292
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Posté 07 décembre 2014 - 12:59

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Whoa, dude. No need to unleash your frustration on me. I'm still new to this thread, and didn't participate in the whole 12 pages. I'm only focusing on the why people may be confused about the Krem issue. Not all of those things.


#293
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Posté 07 décembre 2014 - 01:08

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I almost get the impression that they're trying to butter me up to like the Qun... simply because they've made all of the factions idiotic or in bad shape. Dalish are founded on lies. Chantry folk are so pathetically desperate that they bow down to any random Jane or Joe called the Herald. In comes the Qun. They're hip. They party. They're open to transgendered now. They're technically atheist, so no real religious controversy here. It's all good, man. Nothing bad to see here. Yep.

 

The dialogue with Iron Bull where he admits that 80% of the companion characters would likely end up dead or brutally enslaved in a southern Thedas under the Qun was particularly heartwarming.


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#294
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Posté 07 décembre 2014 - 01:23

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The amount of bigotry in this thread is astounding, people complaining about Bioware being progressive.

 

That said, the Qun is definitely *not* retconned.

 

Think about it. DAO, they were strangers.

 

DA2, they were painted as the honorable enemy.

 

DAI? They can be an ally.

 

Now, assuming that when DA4 comes out one day - it'll be set in either Tevinter or Qunari Lands, we'll probably have to choose a side. If anything, by revealing more about the Qun, we're seeing them as a complete people and not as a one size fits all. It is *impossible* for a culture to be the same all around. People are people, regardless of belief. Bull and Sten are their own people - regardless of how Sten views things. Sten accepts things that Bull does not. I guarantee Sten would have handled Kirkwall differently than the former Arishok!

 

And for people who complain of "PC"ness? Get over it.


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Posté 07 décembre 2014 - 01:26

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DA2, they were painted as the honorable enemy.


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Posté 07 décembre 2014 - 01:36

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Whoa, dude. No need to unleash your frustration on me. I'm still new to this thread, and didn't participate in the whole 12 pages. I'm only focusing on the why people may be confused about the Krem issue. Not all of those things.

 

Nah don't worry.

 

It's not directed at you.

 

We cool.

 

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Posté 07 décembre 2014 - 01:42

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The amount of bigotry in this thread is astounding, people complaining about Bioware being progressive.

 

That said, the Qun is definitely *not* retconned.

 

Think about it. DAO, they were strangers.

 

DA2, they were painted as the honorable enemy.

 

DAI? They can be an ally.

 

Now, assuming that when DA4 comes out one day - it'll be set in either Tevinter or Qunari Lands, we'll probably have to choose a side. If anything, by revealing more about the Qun, we're seeing them as a complete people and not as a one size fits all. It is *impossible* for a culture to be the same all around. People are people, regardless of belief. Bull and Sten are their own people - regardless of how Sten views things. Sten accepts things that Bull does not. I guarantee Sten would have handled Kirkwall differently than the former Arishok!

 

And for people who complain of "PC"ness? Get over it.

 

You're ascribing more individuality to them that I was led to believe. They see themselves as a Body. Not individuals per se. 

 

It certainly could be hard for them to maintain that though.. but I don't think what you're saying is any official stance.


#298
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Posté 07 décembre 2014 - 01:58

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Of course not, it's speculation.

 

And when I say the honorable enemy in DA2, they were the one foe who didn't lie, cheat, backstab, or politic their way. Hawke in theory, could have a respected view of the Arishok vice versa. They were a clean enemy. But still the enemy.


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Posté 07 décembre 2014 - 02:04

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Of course not, it's speculation.

 

And when I say the honorable enemy in DA2, they were the one foe who didn't lie, cheat, backstab, or politic their way. Hawke in theory, could have a respected view of the Arishok vice versa. They were a clean enemy. But still the enemy.

 

I think that too. I don't like the Qunari (just to be honest), but I feel bad for the situation the Arishok was put in.. and I like how he tried to handle himself at first. But then, I feel the same about a few of the so called "villains". Loghain or Lambert, for example.


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Posté 07 décembre 2014 - 02:33

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Bioware retcon their lore all the damn time

I just don't ever care anymore

Consistency? Yeah? Who cares about consistency? Not bioware, apparently


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