Than fully flesh it out. Have more argument with the player. It seems instead having a natural rivalry between the Herald and Coryheus, its forced on the player. You simply do not get the clash of ideas like with Saren, Meredith, or The Illusive Man, hell, even the Catalyst (he deflects the argument). Maybe only briefly in Haven, but the endgame is so rushed, and this rivalry is more told, not shown, that it hurts Corypheus being a full fledged villain.
Yup I'm done.
Yup I'm done.
No, its flawed. Why is the IGN reviewer also criticizing how they handled the villain and the story? I am not alone in this.
Once again, Bioware goes back to telling, not showing. It shows.
No, its flawed. Why is the IGN reviewer also criticizing how they handled the villain and the story? I am not alone in this.
Once again, Bioware goes back to telling, not showing. It shows.
Buzz buzz buzz buzz buzz...
Let's just compare their opening scenes. Cory at Haven. Badass and fantastic dialog. Star Brats scene? Worse then a 1st graders story.
"Beg that I succeed. For I have seen the throne of the gods, and it was empty."
"Beg that I succeed. For I have seen the throne of the gods, and it was empty."
Not enough.
No where near the debate Shepard has with Saren.
Than fully flesh it out. Have more argument with the player. It seems instead having a natural rivalry between the Herald and Coryheus, its forced on the player. You simply do not get the clash of ideas like with Saren, Meredith, or The Illusive Man, hell, even the Catalyst (he deflects the argument). Maybe only briefly in Haven, but the endgame is so rushed, and this rivalry is more told, not shown, that it hurts Corypheus being a full fledged villain.
It would be silly if we figured out everything about Corypheus, Bioware makes details about the blight, and black city, and the orb vague on purpose. DA isn't a trilogy. Corypheus doesn't need to talk to you because he doesn't care, he wants to squish you, he doesn't need to explain his reasons to the player
It would be silly if we figured out everything about Corypheus, Bioware makes details about the blight, and black city, and the orb vague on purpose. DA isn't a trilogy. Corypheus doesn't need to talk to you because he doesn't care, he wants to squish you, he doesn't need to explain his reasons to the player
Than he is a weaker villain for it. yet another unoriginal cliched fantasy villain.
Not enough.
No where near the debate Shepard has with Saren.
I thought all the drones were thrown out the hive this time of year. Why'd you come back?
"Beg that I succeed. For I have seen the throne of the gods, and it was empty."
"Where is your Maker now? Call hiim, call down his wrath upon me. You cannot, because he does not exist..."
"Where is your Maker now? Call hiim, call down his wrath upon me. You cannot, because he does not exist..."
"Where is your Maker now? Call hiim, call down his wrath upon me. You cannot, because he does not exist..."
Yet, thats the extent of the debate, no really fleshing out.
You are not helping your case. He simply isn;t well presented in the game.
"Beg that I succeed. For I have seen the throne of the gods, and it was empty."
How does this age stand such desolation? They sing to a "Maker" who answers no prayers. Once I have ascended, I will be their answer. I will be their light.
Did the others never return from the Black City? There is no record even of our names! We are vilified by legend. They spit on our deeds and claim we brought darkness into the world. We discovered the darkness. We claim it as our own, let it permeate our being. I f the others have not returned, they are lost. I am alone in my glory.
No, its flawed. Why is the IGN reviewer also criticizing how they handled the villain and the story? I am not alone in this.
Once again, Bioware goes back to telling, not showing. It shows.
So this time it's you that is part of the "mob", eh? 
Yet, thats the extent of the debate, no really fleshing out.
You are not helping your case. He simply isn;t well presented in the game.
Pretty sure you're just salty that Cory packed more presence into his speech and a half than Star Brat did over that entire pretentious tirade.
"Where is your Maker now? Call hiim, call down his wrath upon me. You cannot, because he does not exist..."
"The chain reaction will combine all synthetic and organic life into a new framework. A new DNA,"
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I don't know, that's the best I got with the catalyst.
Yet, thats the extent of the debate, no really fleshing out.
You are not helping your case. He simply isn;t well presented in the game.
How dare he not waste time doing a pointless debate 
Are we actually debating whether Star Brat (presumably Star Child from me3) had any kind of presence or significance?
I'm pretty sure everything wrong with mass effect could be condensed into that one, stupid, bloody annoying character.
How does this age stand such desolation? They sing to a "Maker" who answers no prayers. Once I have ascended, I will be their answer. I will be their light.
Did the others never return from the Black City? There is no record even of our names! We are vilified by legend. They spit on our deeds and claim we brought darkness into the world. We discovered the darkness. We claim it as our own, let it permeate our being. I f the others have not returned, they are lost. I am alone in my glory.
Still not helping your case. Once again, presentation problem.
How dare he not waste time doing a pointless debate
How about having a debate consdiering a theme of the role of religion and belief. Yep, they underlutilize it when it comes to the antagonist.
Yet, thats the extent of the debate, no really fleshing out.
You are not helping your case. He simply isn;t well presented in the game.
Why is a debate necessary though? Corypheus doesn't want to convince you of anything. He doesn't have an obsession with the player character. He made a plan, you screwed it up. He made another plan, you screwed it up again and he retaliated. And so on and so forth. He doesn't see you as an equal or potential disciple. To him you're a pest who keeps messing up his plans and he wants to squash you.
It's actually refreshing to see a villain who doesn't go on and on about his motivation. He just says: this is what I want and you're in the way. Step aside or die. He's to the point if nothing else.
Why is a debate necessary though? Corypheus doesn't want to convince you of anything. He doesn't have an obsession with the player character. He made a plan, you screwed it up. He made another plan, you screwed it up again and he retaliated. And so on and so forth. He doesn't see you as an equal or potential disciple. To him you're a pest who keeps messing up his plans and he wants to squash you.
It's actually refreshing to see a villain who doesn't go on and on about his motivation. He just says: this is what I want and you're in the way. Step aside or die. He's to the point if nothing else.
And yet this is why he is a weak villain. No real connection between the protagonist and antgaonist is established outside the very basic stuff.
And considering the themes of the game, more of a debate should be necessary,
And yet this is why he is a weak villain. No real connectioon between the protagonist and natgaonisty is established outside the very basic.
There doesn't need to be a connection between the PC and Cory
The thing about Corypheus was... He was such an information bank. OK, we had Flemeth and we now have Fen'harel. Flemeth is probably gone, too, since she was our only hope of having a conversation. And let's be realistic, we are not going to have a chit-chat about old gods with Fen'Harel in DA:4.
We could have learned his story, how they went in to Fade, looked for Golden City, how it turned to Black, what does he remember?
How? Probably an Elvan artifact, From what he said in DA2, it was already black when he got there.
IMO dumat just tricked him and his followers into breaking into the golden city to create the blight. I think dumat wanted to be curpted by the blight to gain power, I mean look what he was able to do. Was almost take over teh world until someone used bloodmagic and made a container too small for the soul to fit in. Or its a soul on soul battle and we never get to see it.
Tho the fact that in the fade, you helped the researcher that was looking for a way to stop the first blight was intresting...
There doesn't need to be a connection between the PC and Cory
There should be a rivalry, and more of a conflict than just good and bad. There needs to be a better THEMATIC connection as well.
And yet this is why he is a weak villain. No real connectioon between the protagonist and natgaonisty is established outside the very basic stuff.
And considering the themes of the game, more of a debate should be necessary,
So you don't like it because it's not personal? It has never been personal in the DA universe. The Warden didn't have a personal grudge against the Darkspawn. They're monsters that threatened the world and needed to be eliminated. The personal connection was limited to 'my world is in danger and I must save it'. Unless you count the taint as a 'personal connection'.
Hawke was trying to stop two factions from tearing the city he/she loved in apart. Nothing personal there either. 'My city is in danger and I must save it'.
In Inquisition we have the same deal: a big monster is threatening the world and we must stop it.
Personal issues villains are usually secondary in the DA universe. Loghain, Howe, that guy who kidnapped the Elves
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