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[Br3admax]

How does this age stand such desolation? They sing to a "Maker" who answers no prayers.  Once I have ascended, I will be their answer.  I will be their light.

 

 

Did the others never return from the Black City?  There is no record even of our names!  We are vilified by legend.  They spit on our deeds and claim we brought darkness into the world.  We discovered the darkness.  We claim it as our own, let it permeate our being. I f the others have not returned, they are lost. I am alone in my glory.

"It is meant to bring certainty where there is none. For you, the certainty that I would always come for it. I once breached the Fade in the name of another. To serve the Old Gods of Empire in person. I found only chaos and corruption. Dead whispers. For a thousand years I was confused. No more. I have gathered the will to return under no name but my own, to champion withered Tevinter and correct this Blighted world."

[txgoldrush]

So you don't like it because it's not personal? It has never been personal in the DA universe. The Warden didn't have a personal grudge against the Darkspawn. They're monsters that threatened the world and needed to be eliminated. The personal connection was limited to 'my world is in danger and I must save it'. Unless you count the taint as a 'personal connection'.

 

Hawke was trying to stop two factions from tearing the city he/she loved in apart. Nothing personal there either. 'My city is in danger and I must save it'.

 

In Inquisition we have the same deal: a big monster is threatening the world and we must stop it.

 

Personal issues villains are usually secondary in the DA universe. Loghain, Howe, that guy who kidnapped the Elves

When does it have to be personal? The thematic connection is not well fleshed out. Thats the problem.

[o Ventus]

How does this age stand such desolation? They sing to a "Maker" who answers no prayers.  Once I have ascended, I will be their answer.  I will be their light.

 

 

Did the others never return from the Black City?  There is no record even of our names!  We are vilified by legend.  They spit on our deeds and claim we brought darkness into the world.  We discovered the darkness.  We claim it as our own, let it permeate our being. I f the others have not returned, they are lost. I am alone in my glory.

Corypheus has some seriously boss dialogue.

[o Ventus]

Than he is a weaker villain for it. yet another unoriginal cliched fantasy villain.

But not the Catalyst, who operates in 99% a similar fashion?

[Dark Helmet]

Corypheus has some seriously boss dialogue.

 

Definitely better than anything the brat could come up with.

[AresKeith]

There should be a rivalry, and more of a conflict than just good and bad. There needs to be a better THEMATIC connection as well.

 

He sees you as an unknowing rival, someone who's just in the way of his plans nothing more

 

The insults he throws at you pretty much says this 

[Dark Helmet]

He sees you as an unknowing rival, someone who's just in the way of his plans nothing more

 

The insults he throws at you pretty much says this 

 

Poor guy. More people should have been loyal to the Old gods way back when. None of this would have happened.

[txgoldrush]

He sees you as an unknowing rival, someone who's just in the way of his plans nothing more

 

The insults he throws at you pretty much says this 

And yet, you miss my point. Its about thematic connection.

 

Hell, as one dimesnional as a villian like Kefka in FFVI was, he established thematic connection with the protagonists. Not so with Corphyeus. Why? The story is simply rushed.

[Dark Helmet]

Of course Cory had a better VA, better dialogue, and more presence than Star Brat ever had.

 

He's just so far ahead of the brat that it isn't even funny anymore.

[Potatoespotate]

And yet, you miss my point. Its about thematic connection.

 

Hell, as one dimesnional as a villian like Kefka in FFVI was, he established thematic connection with the protagonists. Not so with Corphyeus. Why? The story is simply rushed.

 

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And that is all you keep saying

[txgoldrush]

 

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And that is all you keep saying

 

Its something people on this topic are not getting.

[Dark Helmet]

 

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And that is all you keep saying

 

 

Really? all I've been seeing is "Buzz buzz buzz buzz buzz buzz"

[Nyctyris]

Erm, surely that's largely personal perception? 

 

I didn't think Kefka did that at all. Clearly you don't feel Corypheus did, but other people feel differently. It's hardly going to be categoric.

[AresKeith]

And yet, you miss my point. Its about thematic connection.

 

Hell, as one dimesnional as a villian like Kefka in FFVI was, he established thematic connection with the protagonists. Not so with Corphyeus. Why? The story is simply rushed.

 

No, you just don't get it

[Dark Helmet]

Erm, surely that's largely personal perception? 

 

I didn't think Kefka did that at all. Clearly you don't feel Corypheus did, but other people feel differently. It's hardly going to be categoric.

 

No no no you see you don't understand it because your view doesn't match Tx.

 

The ONLY way you can disagree with Tx's views is by being misinformed or downright ignorant on the subject.

[Nyctyris]

Ah right that explains it ;-) 

 

Kefka was really quite lame imo! Lol! At least we can maybe agree he was certainly one dimensional...!

[txgoldrush]

Erm, surely that's largely personal perception? 

 

I didn't think Kefka did that at all. Clearly you don't feel Corypheus did, but other people feel differently. It's hardly going to be categoric.

While Kefka definitely wants to kill the heroes, he does have this big debate with Terra on whether life matters, does he not?

 

The problem with Corypheus is definitely rooted in the final level. Its rushed, leaves no room for a final establsihment of the thematic connection between the herald and him (whether a religious or athestic herald also), made worst with a game with dialogue options, unlike say FFVI.

 

Back to ME3, thats what Bioware fixed in the extended cut, because in the original ending, The Catalyst also lacked a thematic connection to the rest of the game as well.

[Iakus]

And yet, you miss my point. Its about thematic connection.

 

Hell, as one dimesnional as a villian like Kefka in FFVI was, he established thematic connection with the protagonists. Not so with Corphyeus. Why? The story is simply rushed.

The connection is "saving Thedas from itself"

 

The guy is the embodiment of what Thedas needs saving from.  One of the magister of old, with the hubris to storm the Golden city twice.  Who represents the worst qualities of the Imperium!  Who brought about the Blights!  And now he's manipulating the mages, Templars, Grey Wardens, Chantry, and Orlais to cause more chaos in his plans to become a god.

 

He truly embodies the qualities that brought about the chaos onThedas

[Dark Helmet]

 

Back to ME3, thats what Bioware fixed in the extended cut, because in the original ending, The Catalyst also lacked a thematic connection to the rest of the game as well.

 

TX I dare you to go one week without droning about ME3.

[Dark Helmet]

The connection is "saving Thedas from itself"

 

The guy is the embodiment of what Thedas needs saving from.  One of the magister of old, with the hubris to storm the Golden city twice.  Who represents the worst qualities of the Imperium!  Who brought about the Blights!  And now he's manipulating the mages, Templars, Grey Wardens, Chantry, and Orlais to cause more chaos in his plans to become a god.

 

He truly embodies the qualities that brought about the chaos onThedas

 

But that would be cool! And anything that isn't the Bratylist can't be cool THEMATICALLY!

[txgoldrush]

The connection is "saving Thedas from itself"

 

The guy is the embodiment of what Thedas needs saving from.  One of the magister of old, with the hubris to storm the Golden city twice.  Who represents the worst qualities of the Imperium!  Who brought about the Blights!  And now he's manipulating the mages, Templars, Grey Wardens, Chantry, and Orlais to cause more chaos in his plans to become a god.

 

He truly embodies the qualities that brought about the chaos onThedas

Not really, just another ancient evil with very tenous connection with the current Thedas.

[Nyctyris]

ME3 fell down because the problem you faced was so insurmountable that realistically, you were never going to succeed. It would have been daft to win. 

 

Bioware didn't fix anything with the extended cut,  it's impossible to fix ME3 ending without changing the entire series, but they did offer a little more exposition to their, well, original offering of "none". 

 

Not much of a debate with Kefka either I reckon. He was never going to change his mind. Neither was Terra. They might as well have been talking to themselves, rehearsing their own justifications.

[Dark Helmet]

Not really, just another ancient evil with very tenous connection with the current Thedas.

 

Except for the bit where he's partially responsible for most of what has happened since his little Fade Walk...

[Kantr]

The trouble is that we don't get to hear/see more of Cory's grandstanding. If only there were more battles with him.

[Dark Helmet]

The trouble is that we don't get to hear/see more of Cory's grandstanding. If only there were more battles with him.

 

That would ruin his cool factor.