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[helpthisguyplease]

  So I wonder if the Inquisitor and the Inquisition are part of the chantry or they are a independent organization and if they are part of the chantry in the Inquisitor under, equal or over the Divine? And in connection to the nobility is the Inquisitor at the same rank as the Ruler of a country?

[Atillaiswutz]

They are an independant organization 

[Gavin Sanghera]

It is a neutral organisation and the Inquisitor does not really answer to anyone however in terms of influence and power He/she is very powerful by the end of the game arguably one of the most powerful people in Thedas.

[Iakus]

the only Inquisitor with any claim to nobility is the human, who is the youngest child of a bann in Ostwick.

 

Otherwise the only real claim the Inquisitor has is "Big Freaking Army"

 

Even the whole "Herald of Andraste" thing is a term given by the common folk.

 

The Inquisition started out as something the Chantry could use to counter the mages and Templars, but things spun out of control thanks the the Breach.  The Chantry disavowed it, so now it's independant.

[Stelae]

[A glitch ate my orogonal post - I'll reconstruct it as best I can]

 

I'd say by the end of the game, the Inquisitor is almost as powerful as the Divine in political terms.  They hold authority in Fereldan and Orlais, are recognised as a legitimate authority in Antiva, Nevarra, most cities in the Free Marches, and, depending on your choices, Seheron.  The current Divine at the end of the game, the Emperor/Empress of Orlais, the ruler of Fereldan and most of the noble families in Thedas recognise the authority of the Inquisition, so it's almost a UN/League of Nations analogue by the end of the game.  But they are outside the Chantry and the secular nobility. 

 

The more intriguing speculation for me, is how does the Inquisition maintain its authority and justify its existence now that the threats it was re-formed to deal with have been sorted out?  And how do they choose a successor to the Inquisitor?  The Inquisitor gets the job because of a unique skill - she can close fade rifts.  She has a mark which many of the hoi polloi take as a sign of divine providence. But she's got to retire some day.  How does her successor claim power?  Who chooses her?  (Or him, I suppose ) It's not like glowy-hand is inheritable.  I think.

 

The Inquisition did a great deal of good - ended the Orlesian civil war, ended the mage-templar war, got rid of the hole in the sky.  But they also amassed a staggering amount of power really quickly, and don't really answer to anyone but themselves.  And no-one can stop them interfering in any matter that they deem worthy of attention.  That practically begs for a counter-revolution. 

 

(DA4 - you are an oppressed Tevinter peasant striking a blow against the opressive and tyrannical Inquisition, in a world gone mad ).

[Trickshaw]

The inquisition answers to the Chantry like FEMA answers to the Catholic Church.

The Templars "serve" the Chantry out of respect but as the events leading up to the breach show us, the Chantry holds no **actual** authority over anyone. The Templars are an independent organization who pay lip service to the Chantry but when push comes to shove do whatever they damn well WANT to do concerning the policing of mages. The Templars are, in fact, the remnants of the first Inquisition which is probably what will happen with this Inquisition.

It helps to think of the Inquisition more of a movement than an organization. Eventually the movement stops leaving what have you in it's wake. Last time resulted in the Templars. This time?

Who knows.

[Vormaerin]

Historically, the equivalent organizations like the major Military Orders had effective status for their Grandmasters equal to a Prince Bishop of the Holy Roman Empire and Cardinal of the Church.

 

That's a matter of precedence, not "authority". 

[Little Princess Peach]

Can I say god since you can manipulate people into thinking your the divine messanger

[Haidaes]

Completly outside of it. Considering the expansion of the inquisition forces at the end of the game you could announce founding your own nation and make yourself god-king or whatever and you would probably be bigger than Ferelden and Orlais combined. Alot of people might even follow you because Both of those Kingdoms have shown utter incompetence during this time of crisis. If they develop the storyline further in DLCs or hopefully expansions I expect this to be one of major angles from this point forward. You are extremly powerfull, depending on your choices Orlais outright depends on you. You are too powerfull now, which I really wonder how they intend to solve going forward.

 

 

 

The inquisition answers to the Chantry like FEMA answers to the Catholic Church.

The Templars "serve" the Chantry out of respect but as the events leading up to the breach show us, the Chantry holds no **actual** authority over anyone. The Templars are an independent organization who pay lip service to the Chantry but when push comes to shove do whatever they damn well WANT to do concerning the policing of mages. The Templars are, in fact, the remnants of the first Inquisition which is probably what will happen with this Inquisition.

It helps to think of the Inquisition more of a movement than an organization. Eventually the movement stops leaving what have you in it's wake. Last time resulted in the Templars. This time?

Who knows.

They actually had a treaty/pact/agreement whch they signed as the Inquisition of Old and kept up as they transformed into the Templar order. So the chantry did have comand over them, until the remaining templars at the end of the coinflict decided that they felt the treaty was no longer valid because the church broke it. You can always argue things like that though. "This part of our country only joined because x! Now that x is no longer the case we will just leave and do our own thing!" Heck there even was a vote in scottland not 3 months ago that essentially went the same way. Independency can always happen if people want it.The templars wanted it, like tha mages, which also didin't rebell in unison, but because large enough part of them got things started, which probably wasn't even 50% according to ingame dialogue.

[Ashagar]

The Human Noble seems to have Lord/Lady to begin with while Cadash seems to be known as Master Cadash.

 

Though in the Reformed Chantry I believe they would likely be on the same level as the High Seeker and the Divine Templar or perhaps just the High Seeker given both the inquisition and the Seekers seem to be above the Templars and answer only to the divine at least in theory.

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

The inquisition answers to the Chantry like FEMA answers to the Catholic Church.

The Templars "serve" the Chantry out of respect but as the events leading up to the breach show us, the Chantry holds no **actual** authority over anyone. The Templars are an independent organization who pay lip service to the Chantry but when push comes to shove do whatever they damn well WANT to do concerning the policing of mages. The Templars are, in fact, the remnants of the first Inquisition which is probably what will happen with this Inquisition.

It helps to think of the Inquisition more of a movement than an organization. Eventually the movement stops leaving what have you in it's wake. Last time resulted in the Templars. This time?

Who knows.

The Chantry was made clear over the events of the last few games to have authority over the Templars. Legally. Theoretically. What we see in Asunder and Inquisition is that legal and theoretical authority are less than binding if the people you have authority over have the practical and military power needed to flip you off.

[helpthisguyplease]

So we are like the Teuton order of old a order that held land and subjects but was not considered a nation.

[Ashagar]

Or the Knights of St John or as they are known today the knights of Malta who are still around as are several other of the old military religious orders.

[Haidaes]

So we are like the Teuton order of old a order that held land and subjects but was not considered a nation.

Essentially. You could also call us a PMC doing a ton of political funding if you'd like more modern version. Either way it's usually something people look at in fear.. well I guess we saved their asses, that should be good PR  for now .

[Trickshaw]

The Chantry was made clear over the events of the last few games to have authority over the Templars. Legally. Theoretically. What we see in Asunder and Inquisition is that legal and theoretical authority are less than binding if the people you have authority over have the practical and military power needed to flip you off.

Just like legally the queen of England still rules Canada. But push comes to shove Canada does what Canada wants.

Ergo why I said "lip service".

My statement wasn't made via opinion. My statement was made by fact substantiated by the events and lore of DA2 and DA:I.

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

Just like legally the queen of England still rules Canada. But push comes to shove Canada does what Canada wants.

Ergo why I said "lip service".

My statement wasn't made via opinion. My statement was made by fact substantiated by the events and lore of DA2 and DA:I.

The Chantry rule over the Templars was more active than that before Lambert ended it, though. Lambert was shown taking orders from the Divine, and Meredith and Gregoir asked a priest for permission to wipe out their Circles rather than a higher-ranking Templar. Just because they weren't able to keep their authority doesn't mean they didn't have any.