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[PvtNiss]

Chaotic and barrier is pretty damn mandatory imo the damage it adds to your fire mine, firestorm or even immolate beats out bringing another skill. And to top it off you get to give barriers at a steady fast pace.

I really do hope they fix it to effect burn damage aswell. The fire wall is a very reliable source of applying burns at a good amount of damage. I've seen some people say on several forums upgrading fire wall is useless because it's only about the panic/fear and the added size isn't too much use. I completely disagree with that the added 4 seconds of burning is 5,6 seconds after passives and another 1120% weapon damage ticks away on them during this time simply for touching the fire once. All I have to do is sit there and watch, occasionally stepping out of the way. Done running around panicking they come at you and touch the fire once more they're going to be sorry all over again. Burning for another 20 seconds almost.

[-PenguinFetish-]

Pretty sure this is because chaotic focus only works on direct damage. Firestorms 12x100%, fire mines 1600%, immolates 400% and flash fires 300%. Thats pretty much it. Also works with barrage if your staff is fire typed I'd guess.

 

This is also my understanding of Chaotic focus, hence it was left out. Firestorm generally isn't there to kill everything either, its for CC

[Credit2team]

am I the only one that prefers fire mine to wall of fire? I guess it helps that I have the fire mine ring

[PvtNiss]

Fire mine ring is 30% damage? Does it effect the burn DoT aswell? I want one I use both wall and mine.

[Credit2team]

Fire mine ring is 30% damage? Does it effect the burn DoT aswell? I want one I use both wall and mine.

yes and I think it applies to the DOT as well, but not sure

[PvtNiss]

You can see by looking at your fire mine skill it actually changes the ingame description. I doubt it'll work on the burn since that's the upgrade skill not the base one. Some ability damage rings are pretty crappy because they only work on one part of the damage the skill does, like mighty blow only 66% added to the base 200% nothing on the extra damage you get from hitting a downed enemy or the upgrade. Same with twin fangs from 200% to 266% no update on the 200% flank bonus or 100% bonus from upgrade.

[Hiero_Glyph]

The point is that you don't cast Barrier then Firestorm because of Flashpoint so you don't even activate Chaotic Focus.  Instead it gives you an additional 50% Barrier strength.  So it really comes down to whether or not you want a stronger Barrier, because the damage bonus will rarely, if ever, proc.

[mission555]

Screw Barrier when you're running threathening! 

 

Immolate for the win!

 

Ofcourse Elementalist has enough leftover points that you can get Barrier and its upgrades for Perilous no problem.

[Shinnyshin]

On the Winter's Grasp vs Stonefist argument, Stonefist is better in general...but Winter's Grasp is really, really, really nice for stopping a few select enemies from ruining your life.  Namely Brutes, Arcane Horrors, and Venatori Boss (well...inconveniencing your life).  Given that Arcane Horrors can 1-shot teammates who're sloppy and upgraded-frozen Winter's Grasp can perma-CC them, I'll never criticize anyone for choosing that as a 4th ability.  My highest clear rate is actually probably with a no-barrier Winter's Grasp build, come to think of it...

 

Personally, though, I find Winter's Grasp, Stonefist, and Barrier all work towards a similar purpose with Elementalist: proactive damage prevention/letting you continue spamming unmolested.  As long as I've got 1 of those 3, I'm usually fine given that everything else gets super trolled by Firewall/Firestorm.  Personally, I've started taking Barrier as my defense flex pick of choice just 'cuz versatility and massive damage steroid for immolate--the ability with which I can most reliably proc Chaotic Focus due to mana costs and it actually working.  If I didn't have Immolate, I don't think Chaotic would be nearly as worth.

 

And yeah, Firewall seems absolutely non-negotiable in Perilous while Fire Mine really isn't.

[-PenguinFetish-]

Screw Barrier when you're running threathening!

Immolate for the win!

Ofcourse Elementalist has enough leftover points that you can get Barrier and its upgrades for Perilous no problem.

Generally speaking, these builds have perilous in mind. Thats why i include it.

[DarthLinebacker]

IIRC, doesn't the Barrier upgrade give a 4s cooldown reduction whenever a barrier you put up expires? Does that still work when Chaotic Focus half-kills your barrier?

[Cirvante]

IIRC, doesn't the Barrier upgrade give a 4s cooldown reduction whenever a barrier you put up expires? Does that still work when Chaotic Focus half-kills your barrier?

 

Obviously. You just get the cooldown reduction faster. Only works when the barrier expires naturally though.

[DMX0002]

Be mine or you will burn!

[PurpGuy1]

I might have to come out of retirement to try this guy out

[K1LL SPLATTER]

Penguin you are joke. You came to my thread called me a scared baby for using barriers. Then you make a post about this detailed build like you are a pro.

Whats your deal. You bad talked me for sharing an easy tactic using barriers. Now your build your talking about uses barriers.

I wish everyone in this thread knew what a fake you were. Acting like you want to help people, but you actually just want people to think your better and smarter than them.

[PillarBiter]

Man, I just tried out elementalis today, and I'm loving it to death!

 

I use fire wall and wall of fire, obviously, and then barrier. My last ability is up for debate but I'm pretty happy about immolate. It does good damage, and is very frequently available. However, I might promote and retry using stonefist... I dunno. Immolate's pretty bitchin', but I reckon stonefist is probably more useful in harder difficulties (threatening does fine with immolate, however). Also, I don't like chaotic focus for harder difficulties, and I specced that this time around to try it, so i'll have to promote anyway

 

Winter's grasp is... useful, but not nearly as much as immolate or stonefist imo. it also costs waaaay too much stamina.

[coldflame]

Personally I prefer Winter's Grasp over Stonefist due to the cooldown being shorter on Winter's Grasp. If I need a cc i will need it to be available as often as possible. A few quick questions, is the upgrade for Barrier worth taking? Does 4 second reduction meaning per Barrier you have casted or just the one on you? Is it to a total of 4 seconds or is it 4 seconds per naturally expired barrier? Cheers.

[Hiero_Glyph]

As noted previously, Chaotic Focus will not activate if you are using Wall of Fire.  If you use Firestorm, you will also almost never cast Barrier before it due to Flashpoint, so again it won't activate.  Winter's Grasp, Stonefist, Fade Cloak/Step, etc. will not activate Chaotic Focus.  This means that for some builds Chaotic Focus only provides +50% Barrier strength making it very useful for tanking damage on higher difficulties.  To be fair, Chaotic Focus only really combos with Immolate, Flashfire and Fire Mine.

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@coldflame

 

You have it backwards.  Stonefist has an 8s cooldown versus Winter's Grasp 16s cooldown.  Also, the 4s cooldown reduction from Elegant Defense is for every Barrier you cast that expires naturally (not from damage).  This means if all of the party memebers are covered by your Barrier and they all expire naturally it will reduce your current cooldown by 16s (making it able to be cast instantly).

[-PenguinFetish-]

Penguin you are joke. You came to my thread called me a scared baby for using barriers. Then you make a post about this detailed build like you are a pro.

Whats your deal. You bad talked me for sharing an easy tactic using barriers. Now your build your talking about uses barriers.

I wish everyone in this thread knew what a fake you were. Acting like you want to help people, but you actually just want people to think your better and smarter than them.

 

Uhh, what? I called you out for using barriers as a tactic for taking on the demon commander, which I still stand by as being a bad tactic. At no point did I say that using barriers in general made you a bad player. Using them as a crutch to tank a boss does. It doesn't improve your game or your skills at all. If you don't like my criticisms, ignore them, but I was insulting the tactic, not you personally. Regardless, im sorry if I offended you. It was a bit uncalled for I agree.

 

Also, who on earth are you to tell me what my motives are for writing guides? I do them to help people improve their game. I couldn't care less about what peoples opinions of me are. I get plenty of good feedback on here, reddit and on my youtube channel and its a hobby for me. Thats all the motivation I need.

[coldflame]

@coldflame

 

You have it backwards.  Stonefist has an 8s cooldown versus Winter's Grasp 16s cooldown.  Also, the 4s cooldown reduction from Elegant Defense is for every Barrier you cast that expires naturally (not from damage).  This means if all of the party memebers are covered by your Barrier and they all expire naturally it will reduce your current cooldown by 16s (making it able to be cast instantly).

 

Oops, my bad on the Winter's Grasp thing...

 

So the upgrade for the Barrier is worth the point then?

[PurpGuy1]

I couldn't care less

 

+1 internets for getting that right

[Hiero_Glyph]

@coldflame

 

Overall, yes, it's worth the point.  It may not proc all of the time but it will proc often enough as long as you keep your party covered.  The idea is that if you keep Barrier on at least 2 players then it has a chance to activate at least once.  Even if one player has their Barrier removed from damage there is a chance that the other(s) will still expire naturally.  Even better, you can still take damage but as long as the final amount expires from the drain effect it will still proc.  It's certainly not consistent though but the benefit is worth the point.

[coldflame]

I'll have to give it a try then... good bye Stormbringer...

[konfeta]

Meh, found a +Firestorm damage ring, it doesn't work.

 

I fear the multiplayer skill ring bonus situation is as tragic as singleplayer's.

[PillarBiter]

Meh, found a +Firestorm damage ring, it doesn't work.

 

I fear the multiplayer skill ring bonus situation is as tragic as singleplayer's.

 

Yeah I have one of those too. I haven't tested it, I just always equip it (not like I have anything else/better). 

They have a LOT to patch.

 

 

 

Another question though: I run firstorm, barrier, firewall and immolate. 

Is there anyone who can decidedly bring me off immolate and to use stonefist instead? I mean, I used stonefist as well, I just find that immolate does SOOOO much more damage, especially with chaotic focus, that it's equally good (and I find it more fun to use).