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[hong]

I seem to have turned Leliana into a ruthless hardcase. In the mission where you go looking for Justinia's hidden message, she killed the spy without hesitating. I reloaded and tried different dialogue options to make her stop, but to no avail.

How did this happen? It's an awesome turn of events from the character development point of view, but I think I liked the happy Leli better.

[LightningPoodle]

Did you let her kill the guy back in Haven?

[hong]

Did you let her kill the guy back in Haven?

Honestly I can't even remember that quest. It's been 100 hours!

[LightningPoodle]

Wasn't really a quest. It was a choice you could do in one of Leliana's dialogues.

[LobselVith8]

I seem to have turned Leliana into a ruthless hardcase. In the mission where you go looking for Justinia's hidden message, she killed the spy without hesitating. I reloaded and tried different dialogue options to make her stop, but to no avail.

How did this happen? It's an awesome turn of events from the character development point of view, but I think I liked the happy Leli better.

 

It can happen if you let Leliana kill the traitor (in Haven), or if you don't tell her that she made the right choice to pull her men back in Haven (when talking to her in Skyhold).

[Above Good and Evil]

I managed to soften her, but its honestly very bizarre why they would choose these two moments to determine her personality rather than peppering it throughout the game. Having the softening choice being your second convo with her where the upper right option makes you look like a naive blowhard doesn't help. 

[New Kid]

I was shocked to here that she could be softened, I just let her do her own thing during that early convo. I mean, I was a new recruit and she was the spy-master!

[Monica21]

Yeah, I did the same thing. I'm honestly not sure I'd have made a different decision about those two moments though, regardless of the outcome.

[Bucky]

Well, isn't that just it?  Your Inquisitor needs to have mercy be such a fundamental part of their personality that they would step in where maybe they shouldn't.  Even unhardened Leliana is a decade in dealing with things this way.  The Insuisitor suddenly being led to ask her to me merciful maybe seems ad hoc at this point.  And even so, is one act of mercy what breaks the behavior?

[kyles3]

It'd be cool if there was a way to steer Leliana away from the dark side that wasn't so ham-fisted. The dialogue options you have to choose to get her there are so goody-goody they're almost patronizing. And other companions will feel patronized and disapprove if you pick similar options, so these interactions with Leliana don't feel quite right to me within the context of the game. It's very easy to just talk to her like you respect her and wind up changing her for the worse.

[Aravasia]

This just happened to me in her quest, despite me having urging her away from it every moment in the game. I had always taken diplomatic options with her, including the one about pulling back her soldiers. I suppose it is because I didn't interject when she sent the orders to kill her friend in the beginning of the game. As someone else mentioned, I was just barely released from being held prisoner by them, I really didn't think it was my place at the time to direct the hand of the divine, but now...

[Above Good and Evil]

Yeah, I can understand the Soldiers convo since that's fine but the traitor spy thing rankles. Your Inquisitor WILL kill people for much less serious reasons - Dorian even comments on you killing and looting dozens everyday if you take the Assassin specialization - so why does this one spy count so much that she becomes a bloodthirsty maniac in the ending if she kills him when he'd already killed her operatives? Cole doesn't become a monster if you encourage him to take revenge

[Monica21]

Well, isn't that just it?  Your Inquisitor needs to have mercy be such a fundamental part of their personality that they would step in where maybe they shouldn't.  Even unhardened Leliana is a decade in dealing with things this way.  The Insuisitor suddenly being led to ask her to me merciful maybe seems ad hoc at this point.  And even so, is one act of mercy what breaks the behavior?

 

Yeah, this. Inquisition Leliana is not the same person as the one who traipsed around Ferelden with my Warden. It's hard to remember that sometimes.

[dsajorje3]

Just accept your outcomes, that's the fun of the first run. I think a lot of people hardened her in origins, but the difference in this game is that you can actually see what she's like when she's hardened, she stays sweet in origins regardless

[ozymandiusz]

My leliana become a ruthless killing machine. I don't like it but i love the way it was done. I thought all my conversations with Leliana were meaningless. Just small talks to kill time and then boom - I failed my Leliana and I'm like: wait so my choices do matter? I wish we had more of this,

[Steelcan]

its absolutely ridiculous that she can talk the entire South of Thedas into abolishing Circles

[Bucky]

If you can spin it that having the Circles in the first place inevitably caused the Mage-Templar war . . . it could be done.

 

Probably with some blackmailing of key influential people.

 

(Does the Divine have any kind of excommunication-like power?)

[rak72]

I was planning on making her Divine, because I wanted Cass to be able to go out in the world and find her true love.  After I hardened Leliana, I was like - whoa.  Ended up making Viv divine.

[Kevs]

I didn't even know Leliana could be hardened (or softened, however you look at it)! Just curious, what does a hardened Leliana think of becoming the Divine? My game had a softened Leliana, and she was very idealistic about how the Chantry should be full of love and compassion, and accepting everyone equally - mages, elf, dwarf, qunari alike. Reminds me of how Leliana used to be when we first met her in Lothering.

[LobselVith8]

I didn't even know Leliana could be hardened (or softened, however you look at it)! Just curious, what does a hardened Leliana think of becoming the Divine? My game had a softened Leliana, and she was very idealistic about how the Chantry should be full of love and compassion, and accepting everyone equally - mages, elf, dwarf, qunari alike. Reminds me of how Leliana used to be when we first met her in Lothering.

 

She's still accepting of non-humans and mages, and thinks charity should be the primary focus of the Chantry, but the difference is that she's harsh (and even lethal) towards her opponents.

[Wulfram]

its absolutely ridiculous that she can talk the entire South of Thedas into abolishing Circles

 

Well, the Circles are already abolished.  And if she's elected, odds are the Templars aren't around any more either.

 

I do think the Epilogue perhaps paints an overly rosey picture, but I don't think it's intended to tell us the long term outcome of these events.

[Esmian]

its absolutely ridiculous that she can talk the entire South of Thedas into abolishing Circles

 

Stabbing anyone who says no and threatening families tends to help a lot. Hardened Leliana ftw

[DarthLinebacker]

If you can spin it that having the Circles in the first place inevitably caused the Mage-Templar war . . . it could be done.

I'll always wonder what would happen if suddenly the results of the Stanford Prison Experiment were disclosed across Thedas.

[ButterRum]

I missed a Leliana quest??? I don't remember this.... You can investigate Justinia's message?

Are you talking about Alexius' son that you let Leliana kill?

Huh... Guess I'll have to look for it in the second playthrough.

[Monica21]

I missed a Leliana quest??? I don't remember this.... You can investigate Justinia's message?

Are you talking about Alexius' son that you let Leliana kill?

Huh... Guess I'll have to look for it in the second playthrough.

 

Spoiler-tagged just in case.

Spoiler

If you choose the Templars you get a Leliana Nemesis quest instead of a Cullen Nemesis quest. So basically, pick the Templars on your next playthough.