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[Matth85]

Bioware devs specifically stated they left Blood Magic out of Inquisition for story reasons. For the massive amount of time and effort it would take to implement realistically into the plot. So your entire reply is irrelevant.

 

How is it irrelevant? Explain.

 

Also, you know the rule. You quote, you give the source. 

 

The Inquisitor openly practicing blood magic would basically undermine the inquisition. Think about it - no realistic chantry sympathiser support. No moderate Templar recruits. No support from refugees, no financial donors. 

 

"openly" is the wrong word. Hardly anybody knows I am a reaver, or I am an assassin. Would you support an assassin? Would you support a reaver, which seem as evil as a blood mage? 

 

It would require a little more dialoug, but otherwise it would not be a problem. 

[Arkahd]

How is it irrelevant? Explain.

 

Also, you know the rule. You quote, you give the source. 

 

"openly" is the wrong word. Hardly anybody knows I am a reaver, or I am an assassin. Would you support an assassin? Would you support a reaver, which seem as evil as a blood mage? 

 

It would require a little more dialoug, but otherwise it would not be a problem. 

 

I've already explained. You seem to think most people would accept a maleficar running the Inquisition because it's a necessary evil and/or that knowledge about it would stay within the Inquisition inner circle, when anyone you casted blood magic around would clearly be able to see what you are.

 

People really really fear and hate maleficar within dragon age lore, and most of the inquisition major characters would probably turn on you if you did go that route, no matter how "necessary evil" it might seem. And even a whisper of the leader of the Inquisition being a maleficar (likely backed up by one of those enraged party members that flat out left) would completely demolish the Inquisition's standing with almost every other organization out there.

 

As for sources. It was talked about in a lot of interviews before the game released, because it was one of the bigger questions gamers had, being disappointed it wasn't coming back. A quick google search would show you that.

 

There's just one:

 

http://www.ausgamers...ands-on-preview

 

Edit: Also, comparing people's reactions to you being a blood mage to you being an assassin or reaver is a bit disingenuous. Not everyone would know immediately, but anybody who saw you in combat should be aware you're using blood magic. And their reaction to you being an assassin (which is a bit dark and untrustworthy) would be many tiers of difference compared to how they'd react to a blood mage. Which for most would involve screaming and running away or outright violence.

[Matth85]

I've already explained. You seem to think most people would accept a maleficar running the Inquisition because it's a necessary evil and/or that knowledge about it would stay within the Inquisition inner circle, when anyone you casted blood magic around would clearly be able to see what you are.

 

How many actually sees you fight?

A couple of people outside of Crestwood? 

 

People really really fear and hate maleficar within dragon age lore, and most of the inquisition major characters would probably turn on you if you did go that route

 

Then Cassandra and Lelliana would have killed you after the tutorial. They keep you, regardless of who you are because of what you can do.

 

And even a whisper of the leader of the Inquisition being a maleficar (likely backed up by one of those enraged party members that flat out left) would completely demolish the Inquisition's standing with almost every other organization out there.

 

Isn't that why we got an ambassador? She'd fix that mess up, and it would be word vs word. 

 

While we play inquisitor, not many actually sees the inquisitor. Not everybody knows how s/he looks like. As a normal person you'd hear tales from a friend of a friend who knew a person who's friend saw a group who he thought was the inquisitor and co. 

 

At the end of the day: There isn't any plot-complications regarding blood mages. Sure, they ran out of time and didn't get a chance to do it; But that is not what we are discussing here. Blood Magic would be perfectly viable to use in DA:I, despite Cassandra/Varric/Hawke being hostile to you. 

 

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For the interview:

 

if we went back to Blood Magic we would do it up real good

 

 

That reason alone is worth more than what I am hearing so far. They don't got it because so much of DA story is based off of blood magic, and neither DA:O or DA:2 did it any justice. Not in plot, nor in gameplay. The fact they didn't have time to add it in DA:I is sad, but they did make a huge game and they are under EA.

It got nothing to do with it not fitting the plot -- which it clearly does. Desperate situation means desperate solutions. If you can be an assassin, a reaver or be a mage leading the inquisiton (That is in itself questionable, given half the people blame mages for the whole mess), blood magic is not that far fetched.

 

I got a feeling we will see blood magic in DA:I. In a DLC or an expansion. Just wait and see!

[Arkahd]

Your entire response is "Nuh uh, because in my head, it would work."

 

Bioware clearly disagrees.

 

Also, most of your amazing mechanics that you listed for how blood magic could work in Inquisition. Was how it already worked in Origins and 2. Imo, it worked quite well as a way of changing up how you played anyways. They did not leave it out because of combat mechanics.

[Matth85]

Your entire response is "Nuh uh, because in my head, it would work."

 

Bioware clearly disagrees.

You are funny.

I am glad we had this discussion. 

[JaegerBane]

Claiming that you could somehow 'hide' blood magic is a bit like trying to 'hide' a firework display. It's not subtle. It's like seeing something out of an Eli Roth film.... Which just isn't realistic to hide for someone so public and so visible.

And this is assuming you were surrounded by yes men, which you're not.

[Redinel]

Yeah, I'm glad that blood magic is not a playable spec in this game.  It kinda made sense in DA:O, as there is a precedent for Wardens using blood magic.  Its not advised, certainly not the best option, but Warden mages don't answer to the Circle or the Chantry, so its kinda a begrudging "hall-pass".  

 

In DA2, I didn't like that it was included.  The whole point of the story was how blood mages drove the Templars to extreme measures, Templar brutality increased leading to more blood magic, red lyrium got involved and it all went to ******.  It only really makes sense if you are playing as a a**hole Hawke who actively fueled the conflict.  It wouldn't make sense in Inquisition.  Regardless of how you play your Inquisitor, the Inquisition has holy roots.  It was formed from high ranking Chantry members and a Templar Knight-Captain.  No way would you as the Inquisitor have the loyalty or support from the populace, let alone your advisors/troops, if you spewed blood magic everywhere.  

 

I honestly hope it does not return as a playable spec in future games because it goes against the lore.  Blood magic is powerful and can (most of the time does) overwhelm the mage and allows them to be possessed or worse.  Being the player character obviously this wont happen so its kinda lore-breaking as its all power no consequences.  Unless the player character is going to be another Warden or some kind of apostate, it wouldn't make sense.

Poor reasoning in my opinion. Blood magic is a tool, magic is a tool and like any tool any type of magic can be misused.

[PrinceLionheart]

There was always Gameplay and Story Segregation with it so I'm glad they dropped it.

 

 

Poor reasoning in my opinion. Blood magic is a tool, magic is a tool and like any tool any type of magic can be misused.

 

Except in this case, in the actual game, about 90% of the world frowns on you using that "tool", so the reasoning still stands no matter how you spin it. 

[Cmpunker13]

Guys, Merrill IS a blood mage and fight as a blood mage in DA2 in front of templars. Nobody cares.

 

Solas tells you that he isn't against blood magic - the only reason he doesn't practice it it's because it gimp his ability to "live" in the Fade; he also tells you that, if he had known blood magic, he would have teach it to you.

 

And, to be honest, Blood Wound/Hemorrage and mind control were the two peculiar activation skill of blood mage. In DA2 Hemo looks like a blood circle, but in DA:O foes just were paralized and took damage, so there were no effects that could betray you. Mind control is, true, more difficult to hide. Still, in a dialogue cut from the final game in DA:O (you can find it on youtube) with Wynn at the circle, if you are a blood mage she notices that you are using a peculiar school of magic and she asks you about it, and you can persuade her to believe it's "Grey Warden magic".

ince rare schools of magic do exist (and are conveniently modified lore-wise, see the KE which is an explicit modification of the Arcane Warrior school), it is possible that blood magic can be used with no one else around to understand its source.

[JaegerBane]

Guys, Merrill IS a blood mage and fight as a blood mage in DA2 in front of templars. Nobody cares.

I think there's two things being overlooked here -

1. Dragon Age 2 had some seriously weird suspension of disbelief problems. You may have been able to practice blood magic without anyone reacting... But you were also able to practice 'normal' magic with the same result in an magic-intolerant city, murder people in the street, and people stood in the same spot for ten years. It's not really a base to judge what works.

2. Yes, merrill is a blood mage. Look at how well that turned out.
 

Still, in a dialogue cut from the final game in DA:O (you can find it on youtube) with Wynn at the circle, if you are a blood mage she notices that you are using a peculiar school of magic and she asks you about it, and you can persuade her to believe it's "Grey Warden magic".

The problem with this is that Grey Wardens don't make for a good model of caution. They know they're on the way to being ghouls in a few decades. They know that the chances of them seeing old age are extremely slim, and they know they're job is realistically not something where failure is an option. This mix of a need for raw power and short-term thinking means that a lot of the disadvantages of blood magic are minimised and a lot of the advantages are maximised... And even then, most warden mages are cautious of it, and the ones that aren't include the likes of avernus.

Whether a need for caution equates to a need for avoidance is an open question, but blood magic's track record doesn't leave much room for optimism.

[Matth85]

The problem with this is that Grey Wardens don't make for a good model of caution. They know they're on the way to being ghouls in a few decades. They know that the chances of them seeing old age are extremely slim, and they know they're job is realistically not something where failure is an option. This mix of a need for raw power and short-term thinking means that a lot of the disadvantages of blood magic are minimised and a lot of the advantages are maximised... And even then, most warden mages are cautious of it, and the ones that aren't include the likes of avernus.

 

 

- World exploding in a years time

- By a Tevinter magister Darkspawn thingymajiggle

- Who have been to the black city.

- And got a dragon.

- Which may, or may not, be an archdemon.

- And wants to become a god

- And summon a demon army.

 

- You are nobody. With a mark. 

- you got no army. No power. 

- You had an army. It got decimated at Haven.

- You got no chance.

 

 

So. Yeah. Grey Warden vs a blight isn't much against nobody vs mastermindevilofDoom. 

If they can be excused, the inquisitor surely can.

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[JaegerBane]

If they can be excused, the inquisitor surely can.

That's not really how it works though, is it? The Grey Wardens are essentially a) operating under carte Blanche treaties and are fully aware their methods are debatable from a moral point of view... And even they are skeptical of blood magic. They have the luxury of being able to take any risk however extreme because of their situation.

By comparison, the inquisition is operating under shaky authority and is attempting to win hearts and minds from a populace that is terrified of blood magic as well as closing the rift. It is also made up heavily of individuals who are united chiefly through a desire to close the rift, not a sworn brotherhood of people who know full well that their days are numbered.

It's a question of standing in society, and the risks they are willing to take. The Inquisition simply cannot afford to take the same risks as the Grey Wardens can.

[Cmpunker13]

That's not really how it works though, is it? The Grey Wardens are essentially a) operating under carte Blanche treaties and are fully aware their methods are debatable from a moral point of view... And even they are skeptical of blood magic

 

They are not skeptical. In DAO Duncan says that everything goes, including blood magic. In Soldier's Keep DLC, when a guy point out that the Warden-Commander of Soldier's Keep ordered the use of blood magic, the Warden can answer that it's ok for wardens to use it.

Still, my point was that Wynne wasn't able to understand that the Warden was using blood magic. If she can't (and she is one of the most expert mage in Ferelden), reasonably very few (or nobody) can. As rare specializations exist, it's perfectly possible to mistake blood magic for something else.

 

Also I can't understand why you said "look how well turned out" to Merrill. You can do her storyline with only one casualty (the Keeper), and only because the Keeper insisted. Nothing says that Merrill couldn't resist the possession (as Irving did in DA:O). Also, she was taking a risk willingly for a clear purpose (restoring the eluvian); otherwise she could have been using blood magic without even approaching the demon in the first place.

[sunnydxmen]

necromancer has replace blood magic as the dark specialization its dark but not dark enough to the point where people want you dead for being a blood mage ,companions also know your specialization no matter what cole tells your hurting spirits by using necromancer, simply put it has been replace by necromancer cause no body would deal with the herald being a blood mage.

[Angloassassin]

necromancer has replace blood magic as the dark specialization its dark but not dark enough to the point where people want you dead for being a blood mage ,companions also know your specialization no matter what cole tells your hurting spirits by using necromancer, simply put it has been replace by necromancer cause no body would deal with the herald being a blood mage.

 

This, if you make a Necromancer - everyone has disapproving Dialogue. Even though Nevarran Necromancy is an accepted school of magic - that focus on the use of Lyrium to harness Spirits. Not Blood and the Bodies of the living and dead. People still criticise you for using it - Even Cassandra, who's Uncle was a Mortalitasi.

 

Blood Magic - which has always been my preferred Spec, would not have worked in this game at all. The Mechanics could have been an easy workaround; no doubt. But People *Actually* React to it in this game. I remember in DA:O - I got a conversation with Wynne about it during the Circle Mission, and I just had a high enough speech to get out of it.

 

Other than that though, No one cares you use Blood Magic. In fact, it was totally possible to use magic in DA2, even around Templars (Emeric and Cullen), and have neither comment on it at all. It wasn't until the end of Act 2 with Meredith that anyone noticed it.

 

 

Cassandra, Leliana, Varric, Cullen - all of these people are either Devout Andrastians, have Suffered at the hands of Blood Magic, or seen it's effects on people. If you had Blood Magic, the very first combat scene - Cassandra probably would have out and lopped your head off. Because, at that point. You're a suspect in the murder of dozens, if not hundreds of people. Thought responsible for the tear in the sky that demons are pouring out of. And are in the Custody of a member of the Seekers, and the Right hand of the Divine. 

 

Yeah, kiss the floor Inquisitor. 

[Matth85]

necromancer has replace blood magic as the dark specialization its dark but not dark enough to the point where people want you dead for being a blood mage ,companions also know your specialization no matter what cole tells your hurting spirits by using necromancer, simply put it has been replace by necromancer cause no body would deal with the herald being a blood mage.

That simply isn't a good reason.

 

1) Your companions can hate you as much as they want. The majority would follow you either way. It's not like having Iron Bull, for instance, makes or breaks anything.

2) Not many people know you. Heck, more times than not I hear "Is that the inquisitor?". You are a mere story told to the common people.

3) When high ranked mages can barely identify blood magic, how can random joe?

4) Cullen used to be a templar and Cassandra is a seeker. Easy scapegoat there -- they'd hold you in check. About 5 minutes of dialog and it's fixed.

5) People followed Hawke, who may or may not be a blood mage. People rallied behind the grey Warden, who may or may not be a Blood Mage.

6) Blood Magic in itself isn't evil -- it's just a one way road to corruption and becoming evil.

7) You got a point. Necromancer seem just as evil as Blood Magic. Why do people follow a Necromancer?

8 ) Mages are being blamed for the conclave. Elves are being blamed for everything. Why does people follow my Elven Mage in general? Because they don't know he's a mage.

 

It's explained why blood magic isn't in the game. Blood Magic has a major effect on a character and is also described to be the ultimate power. In Dragon Age Inquisition they wanted specializations to feel important. Hence they did not have the time to add the depth they wanted, and thus did not add it.

 

I find it baffling. "Nobody would follow a blood mage!" is the go to argument. Why? It makes no sense!

 

Nobody would follow a mage at this point.

Nobody would follow a random dude with a mark.

Nobody would follow the one dude that opens and closes rifts.

Nobody would follow a Reaver.

Nobody would follow a Necromancer.

Nobody would follow an Assassin.

No human would follow a Qunari Mercenary leading a rebel army

No human would follow a Dalish Elf from the wild to death.

 

Yet... they do. Why?

 

About nobody knows the inquisitor. S/he is a rumor.

About nobody knows how s/he fights. 

About nobody sees you fight.

Your own army hardly knows you.

You only use your army twice. The last time they follow Cullen, not you.

[sunnydxmen]

That simply isn't a good reason.

 

1) Your companions can hate you as much as they want. The majority would follow you either way. It's not like having Iron Bull, for instance, makes or breaks anything.

2) Not many people know you. Heck, more times than not I hear "Is that the inquisitor?". You are a mere story told to the common people.

3) When high ranked mages can barely identify blood magic, how can random joe?

4) Cullen used to be a templar and Cassandra is a seeker. Easy scapegoat there -- they'd hold you in check. About 5 minutes of dialog and it's fixed.

5) People followed Hawke, who may or may not be a blood mage. People rallied behind the grey Warden, who may or may not be a Blood Mage.

6) Blood Magic in itself isn't evil -- it's just a one way road to corruption and becoming evil.

7) You got a point. Necromancer seem just as evil as Blood Magic. Why do people follow a Necromancer?

8 ) Mages are being blamed for the conclave. Elves are being blamed for everything. Why does people follow my Elven Mage in general? Because they don't know he's a mage.

 

It's explained why blood magic isn't in the game. Blood Magic has a major effect on a character and is also described to be the ultimate power. In Dragon Age Inquisition they wanted specializations to feel important. Hence they did not have the time to add the depth they wanted, and thus did not add it.

 

I find it baffling. "Nobody would follow a blood mage!" is the go to argument. Why? It makes no sense!

 

Nobody would follow a mage at this point.

Nobody would follow a random dude with a mark.

Nobody would follow the one dude that opens and closes rifts.

Nobody would follow a Reaver.

Nobody would follow a Necromancer.

Nobody would follow an Assassin.

No human would follow a Qunari Mercenary leading a rebel army

No human would follow a Dalish Elf from the wild to death.

 

Yet... they do. Why?

 

About nobody knows the inquisitor. S/he is a rumor.

About nobody knows how s/he fights. 

About nobody sees you fight.

Your own army hardly knows you.

You only use your army twice. The last time they follow Cullen, not you.

 

you dont seem to get do you no one is going to trust a blood mage inquisitor the inquisitor is not a warden so they have no grounds or rights to use it ,

also if your approval of companions  is too low your companions leave the advisers can destroy with words alone in tell everyone you got that mark from cory in is a blood mage they dont need to attack to destroy your very own army would turn against just like faster then a heart beat.

[Angloassassin]

That simply isn't a good reason.

 

1) Your companions can hate you as much as they want. The majority would follow you either way. It's not like having Iron Bull, for instance, makes or breaks anything.

2) Not many people know you. Heck, more times than not I hear "Is that the inquisitor?". You are a mere story told to the common people.

3) When high ranked mages can barely identify blood magic, how can random joe?

4) Cullen used to be a templar and Cassandra is a seeker. Easy scapegoat there -- they'd hold you in check. About 5 minutes of dialog and it's fixed.

5) People followed Hawke, who may or may not be a blood mage. People rallied behind the grey Warden, who may or may not be a Blood Mage.

6) Blood Magic in itself isn't evil -- it's just a one way road to corruption and becoming evil.

7) You got a point. Necromancer seem just as evil as Blood Magic. Why do people follow a Necromancer?

8 ) Mages are being blamed for the conclave. Elves are being blamed for everything. Why does people follow my Elven Mage in general? Because they don't know he's a mage.

 

It's explained why blood magic isn't in the game. Blood Magic has a major effect on a character and is also described to be the ultimate power. In Dragon Age Inquisition they wanted specializations to feel important. Hence they did not have the time to add the depth they wanted, and thus did not add it.

 

I find it baffling. "Nobody would follow a blood mage!" is the go to argument. Why? It makes no sense!

 

Nobody would follow a mage at this point.

Nobody would follow a random dude with a mark.

Nobody would follow the one dude that opens and closes rifts.

Nobody would follow a Reaver.

Nobody would follow a Necromancer.

Nobody would follow an Assassin.

No human would follow a Qunari Mercenary leading a rebel army

No human would follow a Dalish Elf from the wild to death.

 

Yet... they do. Why?

 

About nobody knows the inquisitor. S/he is a rumor.

About nobody knows how s/he fights. 

About nobody sees you fight.

Your own army hardly knows you.

You only use your army twice. The last time they follow Cullen, not you.

 

At this point, I've determined that you don't want a discussion. You want to bludgeon people with your opinion, as if it was a Cold, Hard, Objective Fact. When people keep giving valid reasons as to why the Spec isn't in game.

 

Even if it is one of my favorite Specs, that I generally take in *All* my mage games, After going through (Nearly) 3 playthroughs, and seeing how people react to your specs. I can't say that anyone would abide by the use of blood magic. Unless you wanted to create a World State, where the Inquisition was constantly attacked or Disbanded because it's leader was an unabashed user of Blood Magic.

[Matth85]

At this point, I've determined that you don't want a discussion. You want to bludgeon people with your opinion, as if it was a Cold, Hard, Objective Fact. When people keep giving valid reasons as to why the Spec isn't in game.

 

Even if it is one of my favorite Specs, that I generally take in *All* my mage games, After going through (Nearly) 3 playthroughs, and seeing how people react to your specs. I can't say that anyone would abide by the use of blood magic. Unless you wanted to create a World State, where the Inquisition was constantly attacked or Disbanded because it's leader was an unabashed user of Blood Magic.

Not at all. I don't mind a discussion; I just tire of the same argument being thrown away. As posted earlier, the interview explained why it isn't in the game. It got nothing to do with "Nobody would follow a blood mage". 

If any other argument than that comes up, I am happy to have a healthy discussion. If not, I will bludgeon in the same response to the same argument.

[Angloassassin]

Not at all. I don't mind a discussion; I just tire of the same argument being thrown away. As posted earlier, the interview explained why it isn't in the game. It got nothing to do with "Nobody would follow a blood mage". 

If any other argument than that comes up, I am happy to have a healthy discussion. If not, I will bludgeon in the same response to the same argument.

 

None of mine, nor Sunny's replies have been "No one would follow a mage". It's been "No one would follow a Blood Mage". Would Cullen sit by and listen to you? Varric? Both have seen, and experienced the horrors of blood magic on a first hand basis. 

 

Wardens have a pass as they do "Whatever is necessary" to end cataclysmic events that Blights pose when they rear their ugly heads.

 

So, it makes sense that in DA:O, *IF* Anyone acknowledged your blood magic, you could go "Warden Lol" and get away with it. In DA2, until Meredith saves you in Act 2, *NO ONE* Notices you use magic, outside Fenris. Even if you use it around Cullen and other Templars, not even so much as an aside is given.

 

This time around, people actually care about, and notice which specs you pick. Hell, Josephine has to send word for your trainers. Could you imagine her trying to justify giving you a Blood Mage trainer? When the Inquisition historically works for/with the Chantry. Whom (Despite using it for Phylacteries) have outlawed it?

[Paric]

Actualy he does have a good point, first of all you dont get specialiuzations before reaching Skhyhold and by than its is pretty clear they need you(to your advisors, inner circle etc...), i do agree however it wud be harder to impliment properly taking into the account game reactivity but certanly not impossibile.

In general my personal opinion about blood magic is pretty simple, its just another powerfull way of magic, which is mostly portraied as bad eventhough you have good examples of it as well like in DAO(if you rember the codex entry from DAO about the retired magister that uses bloodmagic to protect his village using blooddonations from villagers and his own blood).

Also all the chantry propaganda about possesion etc is prety much just that since if it wud be true Tevinter and ancient elven empire wud both be destroyed from within in short time istead of thriving for 100s if not 1000s of year before decline.

 

Now about bloodmagic in DAI i doubt welll ever see it reintroduced in this game, however they cud go for a different approach and add a completly new specialization based on ancient elven magic(and since we know anceint elves used what wud be condiered bloodmagic by chantry a lot), and that new specialzation cud have some aspects of bloodmagic in it.

 

And btw why wud Varic have issiues with it anyway, since he does know Merril uses it jet has no problems with her not to mention his best friend(Hawke) can be a bloodmage as well which wud have been known to Varic as well.

[Matth85]

None of mine, nor Sunny's replies have been "No one would follow a mage". It's been "No one would follow a Blood Mage".

Nor did I imply it either said it. I am trying to tell you there is no difference in the 2: The general popoulation doesn't know either, and a mage leading the inuqisition is as questionable as anything. 

 

Would Cullen sit by and listen to you? Varric? Both have seen, and experienced the horrors of blood magic on a first hand basis. 

Cullen would follow, albeit he'd disagree and probably hate you. Big deal -- your job is to ave the world, not make friends.

 

 

Wardens have a pass as they do "Whatever is necessary" to end cataclysmic events that Blights pose when they rear their ugly heads.

 

Cory is ending the world. A blight is nothing compared to this. I see little difference in the two? Extreme cases requires extreme solutions.

 

This time around, people actually care about, and notice which specs you pick. Hell, Josephine has to send word for your trainers. Could you imagine her trying to justify giving you a Blood Mage trainer?

 

Yes, yes i could. Sure, she'd be suprised. But I can easily see a line along the lines of "I hope you know what you are doing...".

 

When the Inquisition historically works for/with the Chantry. Whom (Despite using it for Phylacteries) have outlawed it?

 

The chantry is against the inquisition to start with.

The chantry is also not helping anything at this time. They might held a power; Now they hold nothing but empty words.

 

All I am saying is: There are reason Blood Magic is not here. Many good reasons both in terms of developement and gameplay mechanism. The one argument that keeps coming is not one of them.

[JaegerBane]

They are not skeptical. In DAO Duncan says that everything goes, including blood magic. In Soldier's Keep DLC, when a guy point out that the Warden-Commander of Soldier's Keep ordered the use of blood magic, the Warden can answer that it's ok for wardens to use it.

At best, that's a selective interpretation of what he says. What he actually says is that he doesn't take a stance on it, being a non-mage grey warden... 'I cannot say...' Being his exact words - the point is that it's up to the mage warden to judge whether using it is worth the risk, not that since grey wardens can use it, it mustn't have any risk. The wardens are known for playing with fire and can do so *purely* because of their job.

And even then, it's clear there are other wardens who are against it. Both alistair and Larius are pretty vocal in their opinions of it and while both have reason to be biased, the fact this order has such indecision over it should really be telling, and the fact that the wardens who are pro blood magic are nutters like avernus and janeka doesn't help the case.

Still, my point was that Wynne wasn't able to understand that the Warden was using blood magic. If she can't (and she is one of the most expert mage in Ferelden), reasonably very few (or nobody) can. As rare specializations exist, it's perfectly possible to mistake blood magic for something else.

This is shaky logic at best, all this actually says is that wynne is not an expert on the magic knowledge of an order known for keeping secrets. The fact that you have to hide behind the gryphon seal to talk her around should be an indication that you're on thin ice. It's certainly not a solid argument for blood magic somehow being able to be passed off as ultra-specialised magic that just happens to look like blood magic...

Also I can't understand why you said "look how well turned out" to Merrill. You can do her storyline with only one casualty (the Keeper), and only because the Keeper insisted. Nothing says that Merrill couldn't resist the possession (as Irving did in DA:O). Also, she was taking a risk willingly for a clear purpose (restoring the eluvian); otherwise she could have been using blood magic without even approaching the demon in the first place.

The point should be clear - here is a girl with a heart of gold, incredible skill and has the best of intentions, and at minimum, she loses her mentor and her clan membership due to it. She's hardly an example as to why there's no issue with the use of blood magic.

Granted, some of that is down to her clan's attitude to her use of blood magic... But that's the point. Use of blood magic brings with it a whole can of worms and just saying 'but I'm the inquisitor!' ignores the problem.

[Angloassassin]

Nor did I imply it either said it. I am trying to tell you there is no difference in the 2: The general popoulation doesn't know either, and a mage leading the inuqisition is as questionable as anything. 

 

Cullen would follow, albeit he'd disagree and probably hate you. Big deal -- your job is to ave the world, not make friends.

 

 

Cory is ending the world. A blight is nothing compared to this. I see little difference in the two? Extreme cases requires extreme solutions.

 

Yes, yes i could. Sure, she'd be suprised. But I can easily see a line along the lines of "I hope you know what you are doing...".

 

The chantry is against the inquisition to start with.

The chantry is also not helping anything at this time. They might held a power; Now they hold nothing but empty words.

 

All I am saying is: There are reason Blood Magic is not here. Many good reasons both in terms of developement and gameplay mechanism. The one argument that keeps coming is not one of them.

 

 

You want gameplay addressed rather than story?

 

Alright, remember the Demon taking the form of the Rock Wraith in DA2? If you have Merrill with you, and tell her to kill it. She uses blood magic on it, and it laughs at her basically. 

 

And even Avernus tells you that *Warden Blood* being used, effects them because the Darkspawn taint is alien to them, it's something they haven't encountered and have no defense against. So, it makes more sense in DA:O for a Warden to use Blood Magic. Less so in DA2, where half your enemies are Demons/Spirits for the entire first Act.

 

So, in DA:I - how would Blood Magic stack up to constantly having to fight demons? Or that whole section in the fade? If you'd been speccing for all blood magic, by all rights, you'd be useless there.

 

Besides, *You* Don't pick your trainers, Josephine does, she sends word out. Leliana finds your Rogue trainers, and Cullen finds your warrior trainers. You've no freedom outside of picking from the 3 that showed up.

 

 

And I doubt Cullen would follow - this is a man who was tortured by Blood magic in DA:O, a man who saw first hand how much Blood Magic was being used in Kirkwall - if anything, It'd be like the Sten vs Warden fight in DA:O. 

 

Companions in this game *Can* and *Will* Leave if they don't agree with you, just like in DA:O, where you wound up with Dog, and Alistar/Loghain if you were an Puppy-eating monster.

 

Blood Magic would at least lose you Varric, Vivienne, Dorian, Sera, and/or Cassandra. I'm not sure about Bull or Blackwall - but Solas sees it only as a tool. So, you'd be going through the game with Solas, and maybe Blackwall, Bull, and or Cassandra. 

[Paric]

Merril being silly/naive with how she uses it is not an argument for anything, point is that most of the oponents you encounter using bloodmagic are doing so out of desparation or are on some revenge plot and they are all self thought(with or without demonic inlfuence) meaning they lack proper training and knowlidge since blood magic is just another powerfull way of magic that has been used before for 100s if not 1000s of years by magicly advenced civilaztions(Tevinter,ancient elven empire) and there is abslotly no evidence ingame those nations have/had any higher rate of possetions or insane people going on rampage as anyone else.

Point being any kind of power can corrupt and be misused, even more so when pearson using it lacks proper training to do so:)