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[Drasanil]

How is it determined who'll end up being Divine? In my playthrough Cass and Leliana were going on about it, and I was supporting Cass but in the end Vivienne ended up becoming Divine. I'm not entirely sure how that happened. 

 

No idea. So far I did two playthroughs and each time the candidate I supported with the war table mission became divine. Maybe it's a question of how much influence you have and the alliances you made in game?

 

1) Influence over level 10, conscripted templars supported Cass. Got Cass.

 

2) Influence at the 20, conscripted mages, supported Viv. Got Viv.

[Lavaeolus]

Your choices over the game influence it. For instance, allying with the mages and planting Briala behind the throne will massively increase the chances of Leliana, though if you go around saying "Boy, do love those Circles" elsewhere to people like Vivienne, and then support another Divine, you might be able to stack more "points" for another candidate.

[wright1978]

Very happy with the hardened Leliana as divine decision that i got. Though i was a bit confused because one minute Leliana is saying she is going to leave and be with Warden lover and next she doesn't even mention him when she's discussing that she might now become the next divine. Guess given how radical she is i can't see having a powerful lover as being an issue.

[King Dragonlord]

Best candidates in order.

 

1) Cassandra

2) Mother Giselle*

3) Scout Harding

4) Lelianna

5) Josephine

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125) Redcliffe Woman #3

126) Merill

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345) Isabella

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567) Morrigan

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1023) The Broodmother

1024) The Abyssal High Dragon

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24596) Corypheus

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301297) Vivienne

301298) Fiona

 

*Seriously, why is mother Giselle not an option? I'll admit I didn't ask on my first playthrough but now it really bugs me.

[frylock23]

I thought you could put Mother Giselle up, too, so I didn't specifically back anyone ... or so I thought. Then, suddenly I have Vivienne on the throne in the end when I actually wanted to put Cass there. I think there is a convo you have with Viv early on where you can indicate if you think mages should be in the chantry. I said so and I am wondering if that can do something to skew the decision.

[Lavaeolus]

Best candidates in order.
 
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1024) The Abyssal High Dragon
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24596) Corypheus

I happen to think Corypheus would be a great Divine. Who else to understand and enforce the Maker's will but an actual physical god? Also, very commanding voice. A* Divine material.

Though if the female-only thing prevents him, I guess I'd have to vote for the Broodmother.

[Lavaeolus]

Exactly! The Chantry wants to bring back a god, Corypheus wants to become a god... really, should be steadfast allies. Corypheus for Divine 2014.

[AWTEW]

Cassandra is the obvious choice, in my opinion.

Agreed...

[Jaron Oberyn]

Leiliana seemed like she would get most people killed if she was chosen.

 

That depends on if she's hardened or not. Softened Leliana unifies everyone peacefully. It's the best ending IMO.

[jlb524]

I like Leliana for Divs

[CreepingShadow]

Cassandra is the best choice, she's compassionate, dedicated, and wants reform, but isn't an extremist.

Vivienne is too selfish, and power hungry, and mostly wants a return to the old order just with mages given more political power.

Leliana is too radical, she wants to completely upend society, and will probably cause a ton of dissention, and eventually a lot of people are going to get killed.

[BellPeppers&Beef023]

Pains me a little to say, but Cass brings about the most sensible and moderate approach. Not sure how well she will handle the politics, but I think she will make a great Divine. Stole my Trevelyan's heart, and left it in the dust though.

 

Unhardened Leliana's approach is very idealistic, but you do not bring about sweeping radical changes without causing dissent. People simply aren't built to accept massive changes like that on a whim.

 

Vivi's approach is a modification of the old. Remains to be seen how well it will pan out. But if anyone has the nerves and guiles of steel to guide the chantry forward without steering astray, it will be the Iron Lady herself.

[CreepingShadow]

Yes, Cass has the sensible approach. It sounds good on paper. But then think of the actual day-to-day duties. That's not going to make her happy.. sitting in a chair and waving at people, doling out boons, and having people serve her. Then going to sleep. Then waking up again and repeating. She'll start getting ansty or wanting to punch people. And if she doesn't want to punch them, that means she's changed.. and stops becoming the character I wanted in the first place.

She'll deal, you're giving her too little credit, and hey she's much better than the two alternatives.

[SomeUsername]

I would have made Mother Giselle Divine, but of course that's not an option. I didn't get Cass as Divine because it was too late but I don't think I would want to, seeing that her duty is to rebuild the Seekers in my game. Choice falls to Vivienne and Leliana for me. For those people who want change, you now have a mage Divine. Circles and Templar order are back so now there is order and safety for the people while Mages get a bit more freedom than they previously did, and more responsibility which I completely agree that they should have considering what they are capable of. My Templars are going through lyrium withdrawal and I believe Cass will start training them to become Seekers. Other than all the chaos created, I think most things go in order perfectly.

[SomeUsername]

She'll deal, you're giving her too little credit, and hey she's much better than the two alternatives.

Her ideals are great but she is described as having anger management issues. You would think the Divine is a calm person who loves helping people in her own quiet and calm way.

[Cat Fancy]

Unhardened Leliana's approach is very idealistic, but you do not bring about sweeping radical changes without causing dissent. People simply aren't built to accept massive changes like that on a whim.

I think it makes sense not to choose Leliana if you support the Circle system, in some form. But just because radical changes cause dissent? I'm not sure. Change will always cause dissent, at any time it happens. Mages are already living outside of Circles during Inquisition. And as far as the race stuff goes, well, racial equality is an unpopular idea in Thedas, certainly. It was unpopular in America, as well, yet changes to legal (and, in some cases, religious) rules occurred, often well before public opinion was there. I'm wary of being more specific.

 

That being said, they keep everything about the new Divine vague and positive. You'll probably get a result that satisfies you, perhaps with some dead political or religious dissidents, but Dragon Age games train you not to care about those. (I think that's a little contemptible, but...) At any rate, I don't know how pro-mage freedom people get Vivienne, or how people opposed to that get Leliana... stop being so agreeable in companion conversations, I guess.

[SomeUsername]

Exactly. Order. It's all I want too. I don't need to change the world. Not overnight at least.

I would want to change the world. But only for the better not for the worst. Leliana's intentions are good but freeing the mages would cause chaos. Imagine if those untrained start getting possessed. People won't be safe and neither will be the mages. "Freedom" should be sacrificed for the safety of the normal people which are the majority.

[frylock23]

My problem with Viv is that she seems more concerned about herself and her personal power more than for benefitting the rest of society. So while I think she'll throw some bones to placate various factions and try to keep them quiet, I don't think she'll make much headway.

 

Honestly, when you talk to her about it, Cassandra makes the most sense about her vision for what should happen. There do need to be Circles, but they should be governed entirely by the mages. It doesn't make any sense to not train mages to make them safe. There are too many examples of what happens when you have mage children growing without guidance.

 

There is a place for Templars, but they should not be jailors. That way lies madness and the temptation to become what we all saw in Kirkwall. Actually, I think they should be trained to work with special mages in order to bring in the ones who go bad, but I doubt it would go there.

 

But this is mainly what she will articulate to you if you ask her.