Cass is exactly what I was hoping for. Meaningful reforms that correct the flaws of the old system while retaining it's strengths.
I like Leliana as a character, but hardened Lel is just way too far gone to ever be trustworthy as Divine. And the process of unhardening her requires the Inquisitor to sound like a moron, so....
Personally i'd never trust unhardened Leliana as Divine. Hardened Leliana though is absolutely perfect for the role of radical reformer that is needed imo.
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Protestantism wasn't a top-down situation though (unless you count CofE). If anything, looking for this road forward, it sort of makes more sense for Leliana to fill a Martin Luther role. Grow the new ideas among the clerics and lay people over time.
It also was pretty rocky. Protestants and Catholics spent a long time killing each other.
And then Protestants started killing each other too.
And then countries with kings and queens who supported one or other went at war with their own people.
It isn't new. That's what it was like before the Chantry. And there are bound to be rampant mage hunting factions forming sooner or later. Different types of people after Andraste thought they had the answer. It was the Chantry and original Inquisition that brought order to this.
Thats exactly where the Inquisition steps in.
I like to think authority doesnt need religious faith to be imposed. My Inquisitor worked to keep the Chantry as weak as possible, and thankfully that ending bought a smile to my face, as soon after the Chantry related epilogue part ends, you have the narration of the Inquisition becoming this "new player" in Thedas and rivaling Orlay itself in power.
Create a mage police made up by mages, instead of drugged up templars, have a "Mage guard" that knows how to combat eventual demons and such. If splint faction of the Chantry become beligent and criminal, the boot of the Inquisition would step in.
Until the next game/expansion/DLC to say otherwise, Thats what i like to think it will happen.
Hell, the Leliana epilogue speficially mentions the fact that Leliana is on the throne under the "watchful" eye of the Inquisition. So its pretty much the Inquisition thats calling the shots, which is fine by me.
And then Protestants started killing each other too.
And then countries with kings and queens who supported one or other went at war with their own people.
Again, thats not what happens in the epilogue with a "be yourself" Leliana.
Leliana does not go beligent and does allow for splint off cults to surface.
Imagine if the Catholic Church allowed protestants and didint considered them heretical? I think we can safetly say alot of people wouldnt have died (but of course, conflict would still exist).
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Thats exactly where the Inquisition steps in.
I like to think authority doesnt need religious faith to be imposed. My Inquisitor worked to keep the Chantry as weak as possible, and thankfully that ending bought a smile to my face, as soon after the Chantry related epilogue part ends, you have the narration of the Inquisition becoming this "new player" in Thedas and rivaling Orlay itself in power.
Create a mage police made up by mages, instead of drugged up templars, have a "Mage guard" that knows how to combat eventual demons and such. If splint faction of the Chantry become beligent and criminal, the boot of the Inquisition would step in.
Until the next game/expansion/DLC to say otherwise, Thats what i like to think it will happen.
Hell, the Leliana epilogue speficially mentions the fact that Leliana is on the throne under the "watchful" eye of the Inquisition. So its pretty much the Inquisition thats calling the shots, which is fine by me.
lol...I want to quote Carver... "Great.. another precious mage flower."
The measures people will take to side with mages. Creating some global military organization to control even religion itself.
I want to get rid of the Inquisition asap. I hate it. I was fine with the main story closing the breech, but I'd do what the original Inquisition did and throw in the towel.
lol...I want to quote Carver... "Great.. another precious mage flower."
The measures people will take to protect mages. Creating some global military organization to control even religion itself.
I think you misinterpreted what i said.
Its not to protect mages, its that they are a great asset for combat and authority. If the authority figure handles magic with responsability, he is more powerful, not someone who is a afraid of the unknown like the templars.
I would gladly and openly Recruit Darkspawn or Demons if they were reliable, but sadly i have to settle with the Mages, since they are the more reliable of the bunch (and the only option present in the game).
I recruited the Mages under the Inquisition's thumb, they are not free 
The problem that i see with the Chantry is that its just this political body that does not help the Inquisition to achieve domination, i see the Chantry as much as a enemy to the Inquisition than Corypherous.
Thus, i support the mages because magic opens up new possibilities and a more offensive capabilities, instead of defensive ones like the Templars. Along with the fact that i openly challange the Chantry's authority with that decision.
We probably play diferently, but in DA:I i felt like i was conquering southern Thedas through influence and military power, not just to to end Cory/The Breath but to impose a new Order in it.
Oh, and just so you know, i dont even play as a Mage 
But yeah, i want a global military organization, i aint doing it in name of mage freedom (although mages may get freedom as a side effect) but more in the name of order and justice (and tottaly not because my Inquisitor has megalomaniacal tendencies).
So yeah... Order & Justice looks much more noble than "I WANNA RULE THE WORLD!"
I always supported Cass in this matter, because Leliana went all crazy and bloodthristy. Unfortunately I allied with Fiona, so the Circles decided against rejoining the Chantry so there is trouble brewing in the future.
I always supported Cass in this matter, because Leliana went all crazy and bloodthristy. Unfortunately I allied with Fiona, so the Circles decided against rejoining the Chantry so there is trouble brewing in the future.
Leliana can become a less bloodthristy person if you guide her down that path during her Dialogue and quest, just so you know.
Personally, I don't see a soft or hardened Leliana lasting long as Divine. People hate change, especially when it's in their face like that. She'll trip up and get assassinated by someone eventually. I just don't see her growing old on the Sunburst Throne.
Cassendra and Vivienne have the longevity. Cassandra perhaps moreso simply because is the the safer choice. Sure she makes some reforms but overall the status quo is maintained.
Vivienne is hilarious to me because people would automatically assume she is a Leliana type only for her to do the exact opposite by reestablishing the Templars and Circles. People will be directly forced to confront their prejudices about mages in positions of power above anything else which will open the door to more mages obtaining high positions of authority within Thedas. Even if Vivienne dies, something I don't see happening anytime soon, it would be difficult to remove politically and socially powerful mages from their positions. Heck they could, by then, be able to appoint a new mage divine. lol!
Personally, I don't see a soft or hardened Leliana lasting long as Divine. People hate change, especially when it's in their face like that. She'll trip up and get assassinated by someone eventually. I just don't see her growing old on the Sunburst Throne.
Leliana is the best choice for Divine.
Andrastianism needs to reform and change and Leliana is the best one for that.
Whether you want her hardened or unhardened is up to you.
I mean Leliana opens the Chantry up for all and let mages govern themselves. Additionally, if you play the game right, you will see that mages will get unprecedented approval.
Which means that Leliana's changes will hold up in the long run given the very real possibilities of things like Qunari invasion and the return of ancient Elven "gods".
I mean Leliana's Chantry will ensure that all races will have something other than the Qun or slavery by ancient Elven "gods" to believe in. Leliana's Chantry will also be able to get mage aid to counter Qunari invasion or ancient Elven vengeance...Elgar'nan and his ilk seems to be the Elven equivalent of Tevinter Magisters, with the exception of Fen'Harel...
Leliana's approach essentially future-proofs the Chantry...
Cassandra is better off reforming the Seekers or riding the Inquisitor's scepter, in a respectfully romantic and smutty way of course....
Vivienne, being the cold hearted political b***h that she is, should not be getting any position of power anywhere...
Huh. I had no idea they chose that name.
I'm just imagining the awkward looks between my mage Trevelyan, who is named Victoria, and whoever becomes divine now.
Inquisitor:So.. Victoria. Huh. Where'd you get that name from? ~pointed glance~
Leliana: Oh! There has been a great history of Divine Victorias.. Of course. ~laughs~
Cassandra: Oh.. Your name is Victoria, Inquisitor? I.. I completely forgot.
Vivienne: Darling, you do realize the world isn't all about you, yes?
Personally, I don't see a soft or hardened Leliana lasting long as Divine. People hate change, especially when it's in their face like that. She'll trip up and get assassinated by someone eventually. I just don't see her growing old on the Sunburst Throne.
Cassendra and Vivienne have the longevity. Cassandra perhaps moreso simply because is the the safer choice. Sure she makes some reforms but overall the status quo is maintained.
Vivienne is hilarious to me because people would automatically assume she is a Leliana type only for her to do the exact opposite by reestablishing the Templars and Circles. People will be directly forced to confront their prejudices about mages in positions of power above anything else which will open the door to more mages obtaining high positions of authority within Thedas. Even if Vivienne dies, something I don't see happening anytime soon, it would be difficult to remove politically and socially powerful mages from their positions. Heck they could, by then, be able to appoint a new mage divine. lol!
Maybe Leliana would live long enough on the throne for the Chantry's authority to die out.
Remember that the only people that would REALLY be interested in restoring the chantry would be other clerics and possibly some devout nobles (like our Sebastian).
But you can bet that alot of the nobles of Orlay (and everywhere else) would rejoice at having more political freedom to do their schemes or just seeing enemies (because chantry clerics were involved in politics) becoming politically unimportant.
Lets also not forget most important Clerics are dead, thus power is very fractured already and if Leliana simply allows anyone to establish their own independent Chantry Cult, it seems to me alot of the dissent would simply abandon the Chantry and start their own.
Thus its not unreasonable to me to see Leliana becoming this politically unimportant person (at least when compared to previous Divines) that made something VERY memorable.
As for my personal opinion, i never really cared for Leliana since DA:O so if she dies or not, its not really my concern, as long as The Chantry power wane/is kept under the authority of the Inquisition, i am fine with it.
Nah. She's lived through three games already; she has the plot armour necessary to survive any mundane assassin's attack. That plot armour is somewhat thicker if she's not hardened, I'll admit.
lol true, her plot armor will win the day. But without it, she would be a short lived Divine.
@Br4zil, I don't ever see the Chantry authority dying out. Leliana is far too devout to ever let it happen. Like Cass she wants the Chantry open to everyone. This will cause more races such as Dwarves and Elves, and even Qunari (if they leave the Qun) to be more open in their faith of the Maker and Andraste. The entire reason behind the Exalted Marches is mass conversion. Something a hardened Leliana mentions doing. I'm sure a soft Leliana feels the same but without the bloodshed. Everyday people will never let go of their belief in the Maker. My Inquisitor was a nonbeliever and people claimed they wanted to hear his words as the "Herald of Andraste" but no one wanted to hear that he didn't believe. IMO, the only type of legacy Leliana would leave behind is that more races feel open to worship and that's about it.
Huh. I had no idea they chose that name.
I'm just imagining the awkward looks between my mage Trevelyan, who is named Victoria, and whoever becomes divine now.
Inquisitor:So.. Victoria. Huh. Where'd you get that name from? ~pointed glance~
Leliana: Oh! There has been a great history of Divine Victorias.. Of course. ~laughs~
Cassandra: Oh.. Your name is Victoria, Inquisitor? I.. I completely forgot.
Vivienne: Darling, you do realize the world isn't all about you, yes?
I'm telling you, picked it out of a hat.
Bioware needs to put an Eric Cartman response in this part of DA:I. lol
Inquisitor: "Screw you guys, I'm going hooommeee..."
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