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[Sir DeLoria]

well with BW basically nutering our rants MT threads lose some bite

Yeah I know, BW are total party poopers.

[Sir DeLoria]

Yeah! Those nerds and their stims.

Damn them, damn them to hell!

[raging_monkey]

That's the beauty of it, you can't just roll your balls every day, it's something special, and occasion, and the longer you wait the better it is. Things are actually the same, if you do it right, just that the world seems different due to change in perception, because if say you evaluate your experiences from 1 to 5, 1 being horrible and 5 being incredible, suddenly you've been to freaking cloud 9. 
 
After all this waiting and this holding on
Suddenly everything was gone
I've been lifted.. 

good thing come if ya wait true XD

[raging_monkey]

Yeah I know, BW are total party poopers.

i may whine how the arguements were circular but we had fun lol

[Hazegurl]

And why should it be a concern? Tranquil don't give a crap, why should others? 

Tranquil aren't robots. Also, Fiona claims to care so much about Mage abuses to the point where a cure for tranquility began her so called call to arms. Yet when push came to shove she treated the tranquil far worse than the Chantry ever did.

[Goldarmy]

Hawke didn't start the Blight. Mages started the war.

Irrevelant, since both are very desperate at the end.

 

Hawke sold himself to get inside Kirkwall for safety. The Mages did not have to sell themselves to get inside Redcliffe.

 

And they would have sold themselves if they had to. So this is a counter for what?

 

Hawke did not sell himself to the nation's enemy. The Mages sold themselves to the nation's enemy.

 

Only because that option wasn't available. Hawk either sells himself to a band of murderer thugs and murders a man as the first task, or sells himself to an outright criminal and extorts money as first task. It is quite imaginable that uncle Gamlen could have other options.

 

Gamlen: My third contact is Denarius. He is researcher that has a mansion in Hightown. He needs some people to run errands. He is... umm... from Tevinter.

 

Hawke had zero alternatives. Fiona had the good graces of the Queen and Teagan.

 

Actually with destruction of Conclave, Mages options are falling fastly into zero. While they have the good graces, it is clear even to Finoa that it won't protect in the mid-term, let alone long term. The Fereldan monarchy will eventually fold against inter nal and external pressures.

[Sir DeLoria]

i may whine how the arguements were circular but we had fun lol

Yep, oh the good ol days.

[Hazegurl]

They care about survival that's it. It's like a pet, you train it, take care of it, it follows all your commands, and if you kick it too much it leaves. 

Um, that is not true of Tranquils. They do have a mind of their own and can show support or disapproval. This was shown in Asunder. In DAO, a Tranquil will tell you that he doesn't want to die. Karl in DA2 believes that turning Anders in will help him. They have no emotions sure, but they have a brain and do care about their own lives as well as others.

 

I also find it a bit disturbing that you would compare them to a pet then claim that no one should have any concern over the abuses and deaths they suffer because they show no signs (according to you) of caring.

[KainD]

i may whine how the arguements were circular but we had fun lol

 

I get a little impression of cluelessness, but of course I might be wrong. Because nerds xD:

Spoiler

 

[KainD]

Tranquil aren't robots. 

 

But they are - an intelligent, emotionless construct. The fact that they are made from meat and not wires, doesn't really change much. Deus ex franchise made me realize that, and the reverse, that beings made from wires can still be ''people'' so to say. 

[Sir DeLoria]

Because nerds xD:

Well damn, that's a mighty fine rave right there.

[Hazegurl]

@Goldarmy, I'm just going to assume that you disagree with me cause I'm not reading that.

[raging_monkey]

I get a little impression of cluelessness, but of course I might be wrong. Because nerds xD:

Spoiler

im down with this assesment XD

[KainD]

Um, that is not true of Tranquils. They do have a mind of their own and can show support or disapproval. This was shown in Asunder. In DAO, a Tranquil will tell you that he doesn't want to die. Karl in DA2 believes that turning Anders in will help him. They have no emotions sure, but they have a brain and do care about their own lives as well as others.

 

I also find it a bit disturbing that you would compare them to a pet then claim that no one should have any concern over the abuses and deaths they suffer because they show no signs (according to you) of caring.

 

That's the only thing that Tranquil care about - pain and death. And tbh, the fact that they would care about any other actions seems like a plothole to me, because you need emotions to feel a particular way about something that doesn't involve your survival. 

[raging_monkey]

That's the only thing that Tranquil care about - pain and death. And tbh, the fact that they would care about any other actions seems like a plothole to me, because you need emotions to feel a particular way about something that doesn't involve your survival.

think of it like they are people from equilibrium(movie thats iffy at best) the have feelings but are super,extremly suppressed

[Hazegurl]

That's the only thing that Tranquil care about - pain and death. And tbh, the fact that they would care about any other actions seems like a plothole to me, because you need emotions to feel a particular way about something that doesn't involve your survival. 

Or it could be that you are wrong...

[KainD]

think of it like they are people from equilibrium(movie thats iffy at best) the have feelings but are super,extremly suppressed

 

Haven't seen equilibrium, not going to go watch an iffy movie xD. 

[KainD]

Or it could be that you are wrong...

 

No, because science. But of course we can always assume that emotions, biology of humans work completely different in Thedas than in reality. 

[dragonflight288]

Tranquil aren't robots. Also, Fiona claims to care so much about Mage abuses to the point where a cure for tranquility began her so called call to arms. Yet when push came to shove she treated the tranquil far worse than the Chantry ever did.

 

Let's try to be as clear as possible on this point, and as honest as possible.

 

Was it Fiona who treated them so horribly, or was it Alexius and the Tevinters after Fiona, the mages and tranquil had become indentured servants? If it happened after Alexius showed up, Fiona would have absolutely no authority on what decisions were made with the tranquil, because she is nothing more than an indentured servant at that point. 

 

If the decision was made before Alexius showed up, then she bears more responsibility than she already does. 

 

Degrees of guilt change based on individual circumstances in real life, and it's the same standard I hold for in-game characters as well. 

[raging_monkey]

Haven't seen equilibrium, not going to go watch an iffy movie xD.

it haa christian bale.. that says enough. But read the synopsis to get a underatanding

No, because science. But of course we can always assume that emotions, biology of humans work completely different in Thedas than in reality.

espcially if magic and lobotomy are involved

[Goldarmy]

@Goldarmy, I'm just going to assume that you disagree with me cause I'm not reading that.

Understandable since I sort of failed font size. In short Hawke and Mages are both desperate and not so different.

[RobRam10]

The only real downside with siding with the Mages is that Alexius will never command my legions of magi...

[KainD]

The only real downside with siding with the Mages is that Alexius will never command my legions of magi...

 

I'd be like: ''Alexius! Friend! After the war is done, take all the mages to Tevinter, and I'm coming as well, and we'll find a way to save your son I promise, here take Leliana and experiment away! Just teach me dat time travel sh*t!'' 

[Hazegurl]

Let's try to be as clear as possible on this point, and as honest as possible.

 

Was it Fiona who treated them so horribly, or was it Alexius and the Tevinters after Fiona, the mages and tranquil had become indentured servants? If it happened after Alexius showed up, Fiona would have absolutely no authority on what decisions were made with the tranquil, because she is nothing more than an indentured servant at that point. 

 

If the decision was made before Alexius showed up, then she bears more responsibility than she already does. 

 

Degrees of guilt change based on individual circumstances in real life, and it's the same standard I hold for in-game characters as well. 

 

The Mage plot is so iffy to the point where it's hard to say what happened to the tranquil leading up to the skulls being made. I do agree that it could be a variety of things and my entire point is that as the leader Fiona was responsible for them as a part of her charges. I agree that degrees of guilt change but it is still guilt nonetheless.  My disappointment with the Mage story is that Fiona's actions is excused by "magical mind controlling time traveling Vint." instead of watching the character face the consequences of her actions however large or small they may be. It's swept under the rug, just like those skulls in that hut.

[dragonflight288]

I'd be like: ''Alexius! Friend! After the war is done, take all the mages to Tevinter, and I'm coming as well, and we'll find a way to save your son I promise, here take Leliana and experiment away! Just teach me dat time travel sh*t!'' 

 

Once you seal the breach, time travel is no longer possible. It's tied to the breach.